henderson is a limited player....the only reason he has such a huge price-tag because he is young and english....
Sunderland bid £12m for O'Shea, Gibson & Brown
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So Gibson is good now is he? 
Could've sworn everyone was saying he was diabolical when playing for us
Could've sworn everyone was saying he was diabolical when playing for us So Gibson is good now is he?
Same! Whatever you think about Henderson he has had a good season and a decent season in the Premier League in his first 2 campaigns, establishing himself as a first choice midfielder, with people like Fergie apparantly enquiring into his availability (Bruce has said). He is in no way worth £20m, maybe 11 or 12 but to say Gibson is worth the same is bizarre.
Gibson is a bit part player who has failed to impress when given his chance in all but a couple of games and is worth £4-6m.
Gibson had only one year left on his contract, 5 Mil is a good price for him tbh.
Gibson was getting better as the season went on, he was great against Schalke and had a few other good games to the point where the general consensus was that he should stay at least for another year. He's definitely worth more than 5 million in today's market.
I rate Gibson above Henderson. Time will tell but I think his passing is better, Better shot. Strong Character. He will do well when he gets a run of games.
Henderson is 4 years younger then Gibson, more versatile and a far better athlete. He's very good in a high tempo game, but currently lacks the ability to be effective in a slower paced game, which was shown up badly in the u21s.
What's so funny about that? They're not a million miles apart are they. Gibson has scored in a Champions league semi and quarter final, whilst Henderson hasn't exactly set the world alight in his big moments has he?
Gibson is a great young CM. Good luck to him.
Judging by what I saw of Henderson in the U21's recently I'd say O'Shea is better than him so Gibson isn't much of a stretch.
I think 'great young CM' is rather over exaggerating.
If he was so great, why are no bigger clubs then Sunderland chasing him? It shows his level really.
I think right now Gibson is better than Henderson. But Henderson is just a kid and has the potential to be far better than Gibson.
Gibson is 24 now and hasn't improved over the past few seasons like we've hoped. He's been given the chances, so it's time to move him on to a lesser club.
Gibson is 24 now and hasn't improved over the past few seasons like we've hoped. He's been given the chances, so it's time to move him on to a lesser club.
Henderson will improve around better players.
Stuart Pearce's 88 Wimbledon recreation society is not a fair way to judge him.
Stuart Pearce's 88 Wimbledon recreation society is not a fair way to judge him.
Henderson was terrible at the u21s but he had a superb season with Sunderland and is comfortably better than Gibson. I agree 5m is probably not enough for Gibbo, but people on here are judging Henderson on the basis of 3 games and that is ridiculous.
I'd personally like to keep Gibson for another year - he's a decent squad player who doesnt mind his playing time being limited. His form this season was disappointing but he certainly has something special about him and I'd be sad to see the back of him, though I'd understand if Fergie has had enough.
I'd personally like to keep Gibson for another year - he's a decent squad player who doesnt mind his playing time being limited. His form this season was disappointing but he certainly has something special about him and I'd be sad to see the back of him, though I'd understand if Fergie has had enough.
Yeah, and that's a very good level for someone in such an important role whose had as little time to play as Gibson has.
Well if he's played enough to convince you that's he's a great young CM, then why not managers?
I guess it turns out Brown and O'Shea were never good enough for United then since Sunderland are trying to buy them and not the top clubs?
I'm talking about Gibson here. Let the guy answer my question.
That's a bit different as they are ageing players past their peak.
This guy is going to be a starting midfielder in a team which finished in the top half of the premier league next season. At his age he would struggle to be a top CM in any of the big European clubs in England (United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City and Tottenham) and as a result he's had to move down. He's still going to be an important player at a big club!
He's only 23. He's got plenty of time yet.
Silly to compare both, for a start they are different kinds of players. Secondly gibbo was a starter for Manchester united not sunderland. So to say Henderson is better because he started mire games is a bit silly. Suppose it's the last chance for gibbo bashing. With John oshea prob going too yous will need to find a new scapegoat, or will it be back to the Fletcher thread?
Good luck Darron, go and prove them all wrong
Good luck Darron, go and prove them all wrong
And Gibson is a young player not yet at his peak! At the same age Ole was at Molde, Yorke was at a team probably worse than Sunderland and Fletcher was hardly a massive name was he!
That doesn't really back up your 'great young CM' argument though. He's had a fair few games but never looked anything more then a decent player. He's one paced, poor defensively, a decent passer with a great shot. I think he'll do ok at Sunderland and we have far more talented players coming through.
It's a good move for him, hope it works out.
Eh? You're not making a lot of sense. What has Fletcher go to do with anything?
At 23, these weren't players who were playing regually or well for top clubs. Players develop differently, and after making 58 appearances for us over the years, I think he's done enough to say he's a very exciting good young central midfielder.
Are you for real ? Gibson is all but exciting
He's average, and I'm glad he left the club.What's really important in all of this:
Darron Gibson could be a low priced goalscoring midfield dynamo in fantasy football next season. Choo choo!!!
Darron Gibson could be a low priced goalscoring midfield dynamo in fantasy football next season. Choo choo!!!
He might turn into a good player but Fergie obviously believes he'll never be at the level that is required to really make a place in the squad his own. I can't really think of a player that has left from our academy that has really come back to bite us (Rossi and Pique don't count, both wanted to leave). Fergie rarely gets it wrong, and Gibson hasn't really shown anything that suggest he'll be wrong here.
To be honest Gibson and Henderson are about the same level really, both are utter dog turd.
Completely idiotic statement.
Nah just brutally honest.
what is so great about henderson?
Henderson didn't had a superb season with Sunderland, let's not over-rate him.
He's not that great to be honest.
Playing for Sunderland doesn't mean a great deal. Ok he had a decent season at a club with little expectation. It stands to reason Gibson would struggle for game time where as Henderson wouldn't. The fact liverpool have paid 20million for him, only goes to show how dumb liverpool are. They have no idea if he'll even come close to that sort of valuation. Gibson the season before last was making good inroads in a better team then Henderson but ultimately we have other ideas which was always a possibility. Gibson isn't better then what we have coming through/potentially.
When it comes to a comparison, there's not much point. Sir Alex 'seems' to have said we've too much dead wood and we need to make decisions and not be sentimental because everyone says 'just one more season'. Eventually you have to make decisions and I think we made the right one, accepting the bid and not going for Henderson, a player who hasn't even started to make the impression his reputation warrants.
Are you for real ? Gibson is all but exciting
He's left the club? When did the deal get confirmed?
Henderson has the potential but King fecking Kenny will soon knock that back several steps when he teaches him the "Liverpool way" of doing things. He'd be better off under Brucie.
Just wondering what the latest is regarding these transfers. Have any of the 3 deals been finalised yet? If not, whys it taking so long?
Either O'Shea doesn't want to leave, Everton want one of Brown or Gibson in part-exchange for Rodwell, Wes wants to stay another season for Reece's sake, the joint bid didn't mention individual prices and it's fallen apart dealing for just one or two or Spurs and others came in for O'Shea after the bid. Read all of them at different times.
Complicated then. Just thinkin its been almost 3 weeks and it doesnt seem that any of the 3 have been sorted