Sunderland bid £12m for O'Shea, Gibson & Brown

Sunny Jim said:
my valuation of the trio:

Orange: 4-6 mil
Gibbo: 6 mil
JOS: 10

How the feck is that 12 mil in total is beyond me.
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With the first barely playing for three years, the middle one ridiculed by his own fans and all three having one year left on their contract, it makes a lot of sense. O'Shea for 66% of the money Young cost us? That looks like too much. I wouldn't pay more than 2m for Brown, and O'Shea is maybe 6-7. Gibson could be 5 based on the fact he's not that old (yet not that young) and may have some upside to his game.

I just don't see how you can value that trio for 22m.
 
wr8_utd said:
We can't sell O'Shea :mad:
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Amir said:
With the first barely playing for three years, the middle one ridiculed by his own fans and all three having one year left on their contract, it makes a lot of sense. O'Shea for 66% of the money Young cost us? That looks like too much. I wouldn't pay more than 2m for Brown, and O'Shea is maybe 6-7. Gibson could be 5 based on the fact he's not that old (yet not that young) and may have some upside to his game.

I just don't see how you can value that trio for 22m.
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do remember that's an inflated market we are in, my valuation might be a bit optimistic but imo it's more it closer to real value than quited 12 mil.

ffs we paid 7 mil for Bebe and what 4 mil for Obertan and we are talking about established players here (actually 3 of them!)
 
Sunny Jim said:
do remember that's an inflated market we are in, my valuation might be a bit optimistic but imo it's more it closer to real value than quited 12 mil.

ffs we paid 7 mil for Bebe and what 4 mil for Obertan and we are talking about established players here (actually 3 of them!)
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Van der Vaart cost £8m when he moved to Tottenham, Sahin cost £10m when he moved to Real Madrid this year, why don't you compare these prices to what we are getting for this trio? It will make just as much sense as comparing £3m paid for Obertan, £7m for Bebe or £20m for Henderson.

Comparing prices is daft.
 
I really don't want O'Shea to go in that he has been involved in our success, even last season.

Brown has been here a long time but, I just don't see him getting games and if he wants to continue to play, as SAF says, sentimentality can't enter into it. Would be wonderful if he is able to retire a Red but, that only can be if he is playing. So good luck to him if he does go some place, will be weird seeing him wear another team's kit.

Gibson - still think he just needs games to kick on but, don't see it happening here. So if we can get even a decent amount for him and he can then move on with his career, good for us, somewhat good for him (as everyone would love to make it at United) and good for whichever mid-table team that gets him as he I think he'll be a solid CM for years to come.

That said - I just hope whatever is going on with the 3, it is sorted out before we head to U.S. If the plan is for them to leave, then would prefer on the tour that the players, even fringe players that are going to have a chance next season are the ones that play. Also, kind of suck on these 3 to lug them around the tour only to sell them on.
 
Sarni said:
Van der Vaart cost £8m when he moved to Tottenham, Sahin cost £10m when he moved to Real Madrid this year, why don't you compare these prices to what we are getting for this trio? It will make just as much sense as comparing £3m paid for Obertan, £7m for Bebe or £20m for Henderson.

Comparing prices is daft.
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And how much did we pay for De Gea?! Is it something like 17 million? Every time a big English club buys someone these days, it is for outrageous fees imo.

So, prices are really hard to judge objectively.
 
A grade said:
And how much did we pay for De Gea?! Is it something like 17 million? Every time a big English club buys someone these days, it is for outrageous fees imo.

So, prices are really hard to judge objectively.
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They are, that's why saying that someone's worth this much because someone else cost that much is almost never spot on.
 
Shimo said:
I really don't want O'Shea to go in that he has been involved in our success, even last season.
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Agreed, I'm a bit surprised he's being moved on unless he looked for a move but I doubt that.

As good as the twins are they're in the habit of picking up knocks and cards.
 
Sarni said:
They are, that's why saying that someone's worth this much because someone else cost that much is almost never spot on.
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Well yeah, there are a wide variety of factors that contribute to the settling of a transfer fee, the players ability being only one of them. All the same, when it's our club selling our players I think it can be fair comment to say "we could demand more than that".
 
Can someone explain why Gibson is worth £5m and Henderson is worth £20m.

They are both young so why such a difference, is it the fact we tend to sell our players cheaper than everyone else?
 
A player is only worth what someone is willing to pay for them.
 
Ok, can someone explain to Nate Doggy Dogg why someone would only be willing to pay £5m for Gibson but £20m for Henderson.
 
Nate Dogg said:
Can someone explain why Gibson is worth £5m and Henderson is worth £20m.

They are both young so why such a difference, is it the fact we tend to sell our players cheaper than everyone else?
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Eyepopper said:
A player is only worth what someone is willing to pay for them.
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Sell him to the Scouse, they always pay over the odds...

Errr...perhaps not...;)

But honesty, a promising young player like Gibson who will only improve with regular games should be worth double figures? Mind you the 1 year left on his contract is a stumbling block to a reasonable fee...
 
Nate Dogg said:
Can someone explain why Gibson is worth £5m and Henderson is worth £20m.

They are both young so why such a difference, is it the fact we tend to sell our players cheaper than everyone else?
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Can you explain to me why Gibson is worth £5m and van der Vaart is worth £8m when they are worlds apart?
 
Even if Gibson had 5 years left, it's hard to envisage him commanding a fee of double figures. The problem is that he doesn't get into the United side. Now, clearly, it's harder to get into the United team than most, but it just means it's impossible to demand a huge fee for a player who barely plays. It's unfortunate, but inevitable.
 
You need to factor in years of top coaching, experience working under fergie when valuing players

Look at Phil Neville - left for 3.5 million as I remember - was a fantastic signing for everton and took his experience to that club and became a role model and club captain

We breed winners and a winning mentality - that should be valued and if that's the case I'd expect a few more than 12 million for that trio particularly in the current Market
 
Eyepopper said:
Didn't realise he only had a year left, that explains it.
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That's what others have posted...

buckooo1978 said:
You need to factor in years of top coaching, experience working under fergie when valuing players

Look at Phil Neville - left for 3.5 million as I remember - was a fantastic signing for everton and took his experience to that club and became a role model and club captain

We breed winners and a winning mentality - that should be valued and if that's the case I'd expect a few more than 12 million for that trio particularly in the current Market
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That really was a steal...
 
alastair said:
Even if Gibson had 5 years left, it's hard to envisage him commanding a fee of double figures. The problem is that he doesn't get into the United side. Now, clearly, it's harder to get into the United team than most, but it just means it's impossible to demand a huge fee for a player who barely plays. It's unfortunate, but inevitable.
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This. Coupled with his contract situation and 5 or 6 million is a good price for us to get for him.
 
I'm not saying we should get 20million for him but I did think 5 was a bit on the low side.... 1 year on his contract explains it.
 
I think people are underestimating the total package. These guys, especially Brown and O'Shea, will probably be Sunderland's top wage earners if they go there. We want to get rid of them, and to make the deal attractive to prospective buyers the transfer fee will have to be low.

Whether we should be getting rid of them or not is another matter, but the prices quoted seem completely realistic to me. (I don't think years left on the contract is the issue really, all would sign if we offered a new deal, it only has an effect when the players don't want to sign on.)
 
Consider this, if they weren't United players would we be in the market for any of them, and what would we pay?

Gibson (Midfield) = Charlie Adam?

JoS (Utility) = Phil Neville?

Brown (defender) = One of the Spud crock defenders?

I'd take Phil Neville any day of the week tbh but that's bias so not a good example there.

Looked at in that context, I guess the value changes?
 
To be fair I suspect Neville was allowed to leave on the cheap due to the service he'd given. Fergie said he felt guilty not giving him games and that he regarded him as part of Utd because of how long he'd been here and the work he'd put in.

It wouldn't surprise me if he was allowed to leave for what he did partly to allow him to move to a club that wasn't too far from home.
 
Colin129 said:
Consider this, if they weren't United players would we be in the market for any of them, and what would we pay?

Gibson (Midfield) = Charlie Adam?

JoS (Utility) = Phil Neville?

Brown (defender) = One of the Spud crock defenders?

I'd take Phil Neville any day of the week tbh but that's bias so not a good example there.

Looked at in that context, I guess the value changes?
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I doubt we'd go in for any of them. But the value isnt so much based on their ability its on the importance of the player to the selling club. Assuming Adam and Gibson were of equal ability, with the same contract situation and at their current clubs, I'd still expect Adam to be sold for more because he is more important to Blackpool than Gibson is to us.
 
Sarni said:
Van der Vaart cost £8m when he moved to Tottenham, Sahin cost £10m when he moved to Real Madrid this year, why don't you compare these prices to what we are getting for this trio? It will make just as much sense as comparing £3m paid for Obertan, £7m for Bebe or £20m for Henderson.

Comparing prices is daft.
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Dont be silly - VdV‘s was done at the end of a transfer window (wasnt that last day anyway?) and RM were pushing VdV to leave. They were happy that there was anyone willing to take him and lower their wage bill.
 
A grade said:
And how much did we pay for De Gea?! Is it something like 17 million? Every time a big English club buys someone these days, it is for outrageous fees imo.

So, prices are really hard to judge objectively.
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Its fair to say that VDV was seen by Real as deadwood while Sahin had just 1 yr left on his contract. De Gea had a long term contract with Athletico Madrid, Jones had a long contract (tied with a minimum release clause) and Young seem to be a decent enough person to consider other clubs if our offer to Aston Villa was considered too low.
 
fckin bastards - been trying to post a pic of Bob the Builder who Obama nicked the catch-phrase from.

Can someone fix it?
 
Sunny Jim said:
my valuation of the trio:

Orange: 4-6 mil
Gibbo: 6 mil
JOS: 10

How the feck is that 12 mil in total is beyond me.
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10mil for JOS who turns 31 this season? :eek:

Gibbo - agreed

Wes Brown - not in SAF's plans whatsoever after apparent fall out, huge injury problems on top of that. You can pretty much guarantee that he'll be a free transfer or a nominal fee. He's also 32 in October. How the funk can you expect 4-6m for him :confused:
 
Sunny Jim said:
Dont be silly - VdV‘s was done at the end of a transfer window (wasnt that last day anyway?) and RM were pushing VdV to leave. They were happy that there was anyone willing to take him and lower their wage bill.
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Sahin was done before the transfer window even began, and so was Khedira if I remember correctly, and they were both around £10m.
 
Fergie has always done whats best for the players, especially ones who have given us great service like Brown and O'Shea, I doubt we'll haggle that much if they're a couple of million under value.

Brown isn't worth anything, not only is he on high wages but he's hardly played for a few years. He's quality when he's fit but Sunderland taking him on 70k a week is a big enough risk, let alone if they're paying a transfer fee.
 
The overvaluing of our players on here is crazy. Brown £6m? Gibson £10-15m? O'Shea £10m? Jesus.
 
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