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Sunderland bid £12m for O'Shea, Gibson & Brown
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Hear, hear. Anyone who does advocates transacting with Sunderland regarding O'Shea is philistine imo.
I like O'Shea, I think he is under-rated by a lot of people and that he would easily hold down a first team spot in most Premiership teams. I like the fact that he can play in a number of positions and rarely let's us down when he is called on to do so. A bit like Phil Neville really.
However, I have a feeling that this is Fergie preparing for his retirement. He doesn't want to leave his successor with an ageing team like Sir Matt did and he is clearing out a few of the older players (Brown and O'Shea) and those who realistically won't make it at United (Obertan, Gibson) in order to leave a young and balanced squad. Jones can play in the positions O'Shea plays in and is only 19. I don't think Fergie wants to make the mistakes that Sir Matt did as it will possibly affect his legacy. Giggs, like Scholes and Gary Neville will be permitted to retire here but I expect Fergie to be ruthless with a number of other players.
However, I have a feeling that this is Fergie preparing for his retirement. He doesn't want to leave his successor with an ageing team like Sir Matt did and he is clearing out a few of the older players (Brown and O'Shea) and those who realistically won't make it at United (Obertan, Gibson) in order to leave a young and balanced squad. Jones can play in the positions O'Shea plays in and is only 19. I don't think Fergie wants to make the mistakes that Sir Matt did as it will possibly affect his legacy. Giggs, like Scholes and Gary Neville will be permitted to retire here but I expect Fergie to be ruthless with a number of other players.
As I hinted to in my edit I might have been thinking of someone else. R.Nilsson7? Sorry
Yes that's your guy, R.Nilsson is probably still celebrating that United accepted a O'Shea bid
I'm not even a big fan of O'Shea but I hope he stays.
Not many players can play all across defence and in midfield and be comfortable.
Not many players can play all across defence and in midfield and be comfortable.
Yes that's your guy, R.Nilsson is probably still celebrating that United accepted a O'Shea bid
...and Jacob.
https://www.redcafe.net/f6/sell-oshea-224039/
I also seem remember Iron Stove hating him. Was a Swede thing as far as I can tell.
Bardsley - O'Shea - Brown - Richardson
But if O'Shea goes I'll be terribly, terribly disappointed.
But if O'Shea goes I'll be terribly, terribly disappointed.
Bardsley - O'Shea - Brown - Richardson
But if O'Shea goes I'll be terribly, terribly disappointed.
Didn't that defence start a Carling cup 3rd game 6 years ago?
All of them started both games against Burton! (But O'Shea and Richardson in midfield.)Didn't that defence start a Carling cup 3rd game 6 years ago?
hasnt Bardsley been playing most LB for Sunderland and Scotland this season?
Yes, he was voted Sunderland's player of the season by both his fellow players and the fans.
I take it there's been no update with this today?
Oh and 
@ Nani Nana
Nani Nana in talking nonsense shocker.
@ Nani NanaNani Nana in talking nonsense shocker.
Although JOS isnt in the "legend" bracket he is in the bracket just below that (whatever that maybe). Even brown is in the same bracket, it's just a shame he's been so injury prone.
Although i think it's time for brown to find a new challenge i'll be sad to see JOS putting on another teams shirt. If i were wenger id carry nasri to utd and take JOS back with him. They would so step up another level with him in their team although i'd hate him to go there on a personal level i think he deserves a team playing at a higher level than sunderland, even spurs maybe!
Although i think it's time for brown to find a new challenge i'll be sad to see JOS putting on another teams shirt. If i were wenger id carry nasri to utd and take JOS back with him. They would so step up another level with him in their team although i'd hate him to go there on a personal level i think he deserves a team playing at a higher level than sunderland, even spurs maybe!
Am I missing something here and O'Shea has suddenly become world class? He's a jack of all trades, master of none and for United to progress to the next level, we need to get rid. Great servant, never moans, done his best etc but this is exactly the right time to go and could become a useful player elsewhere, a la Phil Neville & Nicky Butt.
Straight talking TV as usual, on the money too.
Eh? How does losing a very good squad player take us to the next level?
Giggs is the last of the old guard left and Fergie isn't going to make the mistake of keeping old players at the club before he retires. He wants all these young, talented players in now, so when he does go in a couple of years, they'll all be established and potentially, we'll be fecking awesome, making the transition almost seamless for the new boss.
O'Shea simply does not fit into this plan and the only 30 somethings left in the side will be Rio and Vidic. And for me, its absolutely the right and sensible thing to do.
Agree with most but the part in bold is utter rubbish.
Because the players we have now and the ones he's bringing in are better than O'Shea. We need pace and power, players that can pass the ball etc. Sheasey does a job but he doesn't have pace and his passing is piss poor tbf. Its absolutely the right time to leave, plus it gets him off the wage bill.
At least back it up before dismissing it as rubbish.
I honestly don't think there's a place in the team for him anymore. The twins, Jones, Smalling are above him (imo). I think we're entering an exciting time at United where pace is the key and O'Shea is lacking.
There never is a place for him in the team, yet he still manages to play as much if not more than the majority of our other defenders. He would have played a lot more this season had he not been injured.
Nobody ever called John O'Shea world class, but to dismiss a great squad player and saying we would be better off "getting rid" is ridiculous, in my opinion.
You need squad players, and if we have a great utility player like John O'Shea that is happy to sit on the bench for us then we would be mad to get rid of him. We will not be able to sign a better player who can and will do the same job.
Agree with this mostly - we're being very sentimental as he's given us some great moments and is quietly loyal and came through the ranks. But he is not a mainstay of the team and is getting on a bit. We need to look towards the future and do what is best for the club. Selling John O'Shea will be sad, but it will not destroy the team. Selling all 3 of them in one fell swoop, on the back of several retirements is slightly more worrying, but then again we have plenty of players who have been here for several years so it's not like we are left with a bunch of naive kids.
If Fergie has decided to let him go, it is for the best and he will be planning to give some younger, more talented players a chance. If he stays then I'm fine with that too, but if the rumours are true it seems Fergie doesn't feel we need him anymore.
I never said he was "world class" thats why i said he is not in "legend" bracket but it still sad to see a great player for united to leave, especially one who was brought up through the ranks. Squad players are the very reason we won what we have, especially players like JOS!
You do need squad players, but if you can upgrade them to potentially quality players like Smalling and Jones instead of JOS then you're going in a good direction.
What stops John O'Shea from being in the same squad as Smalling and Jones? Can Smalling and Jones play in all the positions that O'Shea can play? Will Smalling and Jones be happy to sit on the bench for 10-15 years? I highly doubt it.
I fecking hope not, great players aren't happy to warm benches.
i would think 15 is short of what id expect.
8mil for oshea, hes very good and very handy with his versatility, gibson 4mil, brown 6 mil.
8mil for oshea, hes very good and very handy with his versatility, gibson 4mil, brown 6 mil.
6mil for Brown? has he played in the last 2 years? is he very injury prone? Anyone would be mad to pay that.
There you go, so why compare John O'Shea to them?
John O'Shea has been a great servant to the club and there is no reason why he can't do it for another 5 years. He may not be the best club at the club, but when he is brought in, how often does he let us down? How many times has a goal gone in when we can say it was definitely his fault?
For a squad player, he is fantastic. I think it would be a very bad move getting rid of him. We can't replace a player like him who does what he does. I can't think of one single player who would happily sit on the bench like he does.
On the plus side if we sell JOS then we'll have a spare substitution to make in the final minutes of most games.
For a squad player Mascherano is fantastic or Ibrahim Afellay or Maxwell or Seydou Keita, JOS is the pure definition of ok.
Some of you quite simply don't live in the modern football climate, where you need about 25 good players to win the EPL.
So... what do we do if Jones wants to start games and is behind Vidic and Smalling in 2 years time? Sell him and buy the next big thing?
True, but we will still have enough players for each position apart from midfield when those three leave. I just hope we don't start selling/releasing players without replacing any of them like Chelsea did last year, it cost them dearly.
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What a bizarre way of thinking, so hypothetical. He will no doubt start his fair share of games if he just has Vida and Smalling ahead of him.
It's not a bizarre way of thinking.
You say great players will want to start games? So what? Do we have a squad of say 14 great players? Who else do we need?
Obviously not, we can have a blend of quality youth, Jones, Fabio, Smalling plus a blend of the old guard, Giggs now, Rio in a couple of years etc and it just recycles.