Why he had to go I don't know, Fergie wouldn't say, he's done something wrong, now I long for John O'Shea...
Sunderland bid £12m for O'Shea, Gibson & Brown
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Would you pay that for any of them? O'Shea is not worth 9m at the age of 30, while Brown at 31.5 has barely played in the last three years and has probably suffered more injuries that starts. I'd say, 2m, 6m and 4m is quite right.
Circumstances have changed, I also admitted to having knee-jerked the thread after a horrible path of his. I will never admit to O'Shea being a good footballer, but I can still say his experience and versatility is a good option to have on the bench.
Defenders can play well into their 30's. Sheasy's versatility would be worth 5M alone, let alone 10 years of PL experience which would suit any lower team in the league. Going by today's market prices, a compromise of our two options would be more realistic in all honesty.
The squad average age is falling dramatically... good thing. Only one I'm reluctant to let go is O'Shea. But hey, maybe it's just his time to go and for the twins to shine.
According to the Guardian we accepted the bid but one of the three wants to see if other offers some in. Doesn't make it true of course but .....
And $12 mill sounds about right anyway.
Independent says O'Shea isn't sure he wants this particular move and may look for better offers.
O'Shea may be versatile and experienced, but at the end of the day he's nothing more than a mediocare player. I'm not even sure what Brown has got to offer now. With a year remaining on both their contracts, I can't argue with Sunderland's valuation.
O'Shea won't be going anywhere in my view, players of his ilk are very hard to come by.
Gibson and Brown leaving makes sense.
According the Independent Brown and Gibson are happy to go to Sunderland, O'Shea wants to see if an offer from another club comes in.
The best he could wish for is Villa or Everton maybe. Highly doubt a better club would go after him... although he would be a good player for Tottenham in my opinion, just doubt that Harry would bite.
I hope O'Shea rejects it a la Solskjaer pre-treble season. Just wouldn't feel right not having him there. He's part of the furniture. Losing Neville, VDS, Scholes and JOS in the same year just isn't right.
If this goes through and we decide to give every former player some applause at OT well be applauding half the fecking sunderland team!
I'm actually on the fence here... I like O'Shea and wouldn't mind that he'd stick around but I wouldn't really lose sleep over him going. He has been a great servant to the club but maybe his time is just up. Younger players are coming in and this also means that Rafael and Fabio will have to step up (not that they haven't shown their talents already).
He could do a decent job for Arsenal actually. Thankfully that will never happen.
been marvelous for us. But with Jones coming in and Evans also an option, he may be surplus.
looks like he is waiting on other offers.
Spurs?
I think O'Shea is worth £7-8m, Brown around £3m and Gibson around £4-5m. I wish if we end up selling this trio, we will make up the money we are going to spend on Jones.
Who is going to pay 7-9 million for O'Shea? He is what? 30? 31? Great squad player mind.
What has the reaction been like on that Sunderland board that is linked to here now and then?
Villa or Everton I imagine are the two he's waiting on, unless he fancies Newcastle.
Villa or Everton I imagine are the two he's waiting on, unless he fancies Newcastle.
Probably got a bulk buy discount anyway.
Hope O'Shea stays I must say, but I think he'd do a fantastic job for them if he went and if he wants to go, best of luck. Gibson I hope gets to silence a few critics, he's got it in him to be a very good player with regular football, but probably not meant to be with us. Brown's time has probably gone here, but another great servant to the club who I can only wish the best.
They seem to be extremely happy about the O'Shea part, although think it's too good to be true. Gibson has a predictably mixed response, ranging from the likes of, "God no, please god, no" to "decent signing". Don't seem too keen on Brown.
Hope O'Shea stays I must say, but I think he'd do a fantastic job for them if he went and if he wants to go, best of luck. Gibson I hope gets to silence a few critics, he's got it in him to be a very good player with regular football, but probably not meant to be with us. Brown's time has probably gone here, but another great servant to the club who I can only wish the best.
They seem to be extremely happy about the O'Shea part, although think it's too good to be true. Gibson has a predictably mixed response, ranging from the likes of, "God no, please god, no" to "decent signing". Don't seem too keen on Brown.
squad player for us Wibs. But he would be a regular for most others.
He also had a very bad time with injuries recently.
As much as people hate Gibson... We're rather short on first team options and with Scholes and OH gone... Gibson/Fletch/Carrick/Ando/Giggs isn't going to be enough.
Gibson 23, has had CL experience, played in the CL semi finals, did really well and yet people rate him at 4m while the other youngsters who do get a bit of hype are like 12m ++ ? I Don't think we need to sell Gibbo until a worthy offer comes in... Not 3-4M.
FFS, N'Gog who has done feck all was even worth 7m. Gibson should be at least 7m.
Gibson 23, has had CL experience, played in the CL semi finals, did really well and yet people rate him at 4m while the other youngsters who do get a bit of hype are like 12m ++ ? I Don't think we need to sell Gibbo until a worthy offer comes in... Not 3-4M.
FFS, N'Gog who has done feck all was even worth 7m. Gibson should be at least 7m.
exactly what i've been thinking, of the three I think it would be most harmful to our squad to lose Gibson. While he's not always a standout player, hes experienced and offers a couple of good options, especially in a 3 man midfield.
The thing that won us the title last year was our incredible squad depth. I hope this transfer doesn't ruin it.
It's obvious that we need to sign two midfielders this summer if Gibson goes and I actually like that idea. I'm just happy if he goes... I just don't think he's good enough. Maybe worth a bit more than they are offering but not a whole lot. Fergie knows what he's doing.
The massive upside of this sale would be we can finally put a stop on to the debate on whether we think Gibbo is good enough for United.
o'shea should stay. i cannot imagine him leaving to be honest.he is a very important squad player for us. plus, he is from the youth team set up.
as much i would like to see brown stays, he is 31, 32 and is not playing a lot of games. if he wants to end his career somewhere else, then i will be happy to see him moving. he has been a fantastic servant for us. remember the cross he made for our first goal in the CL final in moscow. and his performances during the 2007/08 season was definitely the highlight of his united career. shame about all the injuries he suffered, he could e a much better player if not for that.
as for gibbo, if we are really going to bring in quality midfielders this summer, then he might be better join another PL side. he is not a bad 5th or 6th choice midfielder to have but if somebody is offering 6 or 7 million for him then i guess it suits everybody for gibbo to move.
for welbeck, if henderson is worth £20million, jones cost us £16million, then our danny is worth at least around that 16 to 20 million bracket. we should not even consider any deal below that value. we can afford to let him out on loan for another season perhaps, so there is no reason why we cannot keep him. loan him out for another season and he should be a much better player in 12 months time.
as much i would like to see brown stays, he is 31, 32 and is not playing a lot of games. if he wants to end his career somewhere else, then i will be happy to see him moving. he has been a fantastic servant for us. remember the cross he made for our first goal in the CL final in moscow. and his performances during the 2007/08 season was definitely the highlight of his united career. shame about all the injuries he suffered, he could e a much better player if not for that.
as for gibbo, if we are really going to bring in quality midfielders this summer, then he might be better join another PL side. he is not a bad 5th or 6th choice midfielder to have but if somebody is offering 6 or 7 million for him then i guess it suits everybody for gibbo to move.
for welbeck, if henderson is worth £20million, jones cost us £16million, then our danny is worth at least around that 16 to 20 million bracket. we should not even consider any deal below that value. we can afford to let him out on loan for another season perhaps, so there is no reason why we cannot keep him. loan him out for another season and he should be a much better player in 12 months time.
The rest of Europe is pretty weak then seeing we've been to 3 CL finals in the last 4 years. 4 straight if that ref in the Bayern game wore a pair of glasses.
Would be a wise move for O'Shea & Brown to go elsewhere at this point of their career. A good example would be Phil Neville who is playing week in week out at Everton.
Barcelona are the only good team we played in the entirety of last season, didn't you get the memo?
Who hasn't won squat in yonks. So it really depends on what they want. If I'm O'Shea, I don't mind contributing what I'm contributing, and collect a couple of medals every season.
For Brown, though...
If both O'Shea and Brown leaves, it'll just leave us with Rafael, Evra and Fabio in the fullback position. We'd need to get another fullback in.
It would be good for them to get more first team opportunities.
But the twins are very injury prone. And Evra can't play every game .
I'm not sure O'Shea will go. It would leave us very light in terms of wing backs. With john boy we have 4 solid left and right backs.
With the emergence of Da Silva brothers, O'shea may think he would benefit playing somewhere else where he can be first choice. But on the contrary, didnt he just signed a new contract worth like 80k a week ?
Great squad player indeed, precisely why I wouldn't let him go for a few bob. How much would it cost to get similar level of cover for all the positions he can back up adequately?
I love the twins but they always look like they are a hard tackle away from getting injured. No way I would let him go.
Spurs just signed Friedel as their keeper, so most likely not (Spurs).