Yeh, he's a good player to have around. Versatility in a lot of positions, and always seems to give the team a 7/10.
Sunderland bid £12m for O'Shea, Gibson & Brown
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Yeh, he's a good player to have around. Versatility in a lot of positions, and always seems to give the team a 7/10.
As I said earlier, these squad guys who just come in and do their job when required and don't cause disharmony in the squad when not playing by complaining to the press/media are hugely important to the composition of the squad.
You need these guys as much as you need the match-winners
I can't believe I went to work all excited about signing Jones and come home to hear we might be selling Sheasy. feck that. We're already losing about 50 years combined experience of playing for Manchester United, why lose another ten for a pittance, what possible point is there in that?
Erm. Re-fresh? Besides O'Shea's contract is due for renewal and with the figures that were quoted a couple months back it might make financial sense to allow him to move on now. Especially if we are looking to bring in a marque signing aswell.
I wouldn't mind seeing Gibson and Brown go (though I quite like Brown), but O'Shea? I'm not entirely sure about that. He's not very good, but he's decent. And more importantly, he's decent when and where we need him. The fee is probably fair enough, considering the age the age of the two and the mediocrity of the one.
This would leave a bit of a sour taste in my mouth - these lads are United through and through, progressed through our academy and they can all still do a job. Not sure how much truth there really is in these rumours, but if Fergie thinks their times are up then you just have to take his word for it.
these guys effectively hinder the progress of our youngsters into the first team...while theyre here, our Pogbas Norwoods etc won't get a run.
bar o'shea who is just plain handy every time a twin gets injured but Evans is groomed for that role
bar o'shea who is just plain handy every time a twin gets injured but Evans is groomed for that role
In Fergie we trust, but I'll be gutted at O'Shea going, and not too keen on Gibson going either
Norwood? I'd be very surprised!
Some strange reactions in here - earlier when the Jones news came out people were complaining we had too many defenders, now the complaints are that we won't have enough. All a bit knee-jerk.
Very few people actually want to get rid of John O'Shea (people are probably fairly ambivalent about the other two) as he does do a solid job for us very quietly and has had some great moments for us. But there's no doubt he is getting on a bit, it's a decent offer (could be better, and will probably have to be improved) and I don't think it does leave us drastically short - we would cope if we had injuries. As has been pointed out they would clear a fair bit off the wages (we have such a large squad we are literally throwing away millions of pounds a year on players who barely play) and give more chances to our younger players, so there's benefits to be had.
Personally, for purely sentimental reasons I'd like them all to stay as they have come up through the youth ranks but Fergie knows the importance of retaining players who understand the club and if he thinks we can cope without them he is most likely going to be right.
Very few people actually want to get rid of John O'Shea (people are probably fairly ambivalent about the other two) as he does do a solid job for us very quietly and has had some great moments for us. But there's no doubt he is getting on a bit, it's a decent offer (could be better, and will probably have to be improved) and I don't think it does leave us drastically short - we would cope if we had injuries. As has been pointed out they would clear a fair bit off the wages (we have such a large squad we are literally throwing away millions of pounds a year on players who barely play) and give more chances to our younger players, so there's benefits to be had.
Personally, for purely sentimental reasons I'd like them all to stay as they have come up through the youth ranks but Fergie knows the importance of retaining players who understand the club and if he thinks we can cope without them he is most likely going to be right.
O'Shea has had some memorable moments here. If he leaves I will miss him.
They can have Gibbo and Brown for 12 million. Please don't sell O'shea!
I honestly thought he was gonna be world class back in then. Then in the summer he morphed from potential world class left back, to jack of all trades. Might have happened after he had to have oxygen marking Ronaldo in the friendly against sporting
Really? He's done very little for the last 3 years.
Well our (insert reserve team starlets that Fergie has publicly praised here)s
I used those as examples
I will miss O'Shea, but I feel there are far superior players out there.
I can't see him doing too well at another club. When players leave United after being at the club for all their career, it's hard for them to motivate themselves after taking the step down. Butt said it. Took him a few years to adapt.
I can't see him doing too well at another club. When players leave United after being at the club for all their career, it's hard for them to motivate themselves after taking the step down. Butt said it. Took him a few years to adapt.
Without wanting to sound disrespectful to some great servants of the club, our squad has been crying out for a bit of a cull and clearing out the deadwood. Sorry to see them go, but I would rather our fringe players are youngsters pushing for the first team, rather than those whose careers have peaked and are only going to go downhill.
I reckon Spuds would be interested in O'Shea. He could easily start for them.
Many thought we had a direct replacement for Denis Irwin after 2002/03. He wasn't a full back originally, seen as a centerhalf and certainly had the built of one, but he just made the left back position his own. But then even the following season he didn't seem to progress, quite the opposite. Not sure if he became jack of all trades as a result of that, or if being jack of all trades meant he couldn't make any position his own, much like Phil Neville who also started really well at left back in 95/96.
I will be sad to see O'Shea leave, but if the Jones signing goes through, it is feasible that Evans can become our new utility defender. However, I still believe that Evans' potential exceeds such a role.
Brown and Gibson no problem but feck I want o Shea to stay.
It's a bad idea selling him i think.
The Gibson one is strange though unless we have someone else lined up to come in and play in the middle
I mean potentially 3 midfielders gone!!
Is he going to replace the 3 with one big name and 2 squad players ?
It's a bad idea selling him i think.
The Gibson one is strange though unless we have someone else lined up to come in and play in the middle
I mean potentially 3 midfielders gone!!
Is he going to replace the 3 with one big name and 2 squad players ?
The Guardian's article on today's events suggests that all three are gone and that the only real question is whether they all go to Sunderland or some to other clubs that match the respective valuations.
Manchester United leave rivals trailing with £16m bid for Phil Jones | Football | The Guardian
Personally I think it is a sensible move to create some space for younger players to gain playing time. Last season we had Gary Neville and O'Shea starting matches ahead of Fabio; by the end of the season that decision looked ridiculous.
Manchester United leave rivals trailing with £16m bid for Phil Jones | Football | The Guardian
Personally I think it is a sensible move to create some space for younger players to gain playing time. Last season we had Gary Neville and O'Shea starting matches ahead of Fabio; by the end of the season that decision looked ridiculous.
Gibson is a squad player.
Hargreaves wasn't even a player.
The only one needing proper replacement is Scholes.
I think we'll sign one top midfielder to replace Scholes. Then have someone like Cleverley/Brady/Tunnicliffe take the role of the squad player that Gibson played.
People forget we have some very talented midfielders in the youth ranks.
It's not a feckin football academy in the 1st team.
Gibson is 23 if he goes its because the manager doesnt believe he's going to get any better. One young player for another
Jones to replace brown yeah and maybe cleverly back to fill the Gibson role.
But how do you replace sheasys experience?
Bit strange letting a player with so much united experience go considering scholes and Neville are also gone.
Out:
Scholes
VDS
Hargreaves
Neville
Likely out:
O' Shea
Gibson (I like him as a person but he is a shit footballer. Really shit)
Brown
Possibles:
Berbatov
Welbeck
I think getting absolutely battered by Barca (again) and the fact that he knows his time is limited has our Sir Alex turning into a transfer muppet this season.
Sneijder please!
Scholes
VDS
Hargreaves
Neville
Likely out:
O' Shea
Gibson (I like him as a person but he is a shit footballer. Really shit)
Brown
Possibles:
Berbatov
Welbeck
I think getting absolutely battered by Barca (again) and the fact that he knows his time is limited has our Sir Alex turning into a transfer muppet this season.
Sneijder please!
When you take salaries into account its good business for United. I suspect United asked 12M for O'Shea, Sunderland said too much, and so Fergie threw in Gibson and Brown.
If you look at what the salaries of VDS, Scholes, Neville, O'Shea, Gibson and Brown (and maybe even Goggs after his penis explodes) would have been next year...someone work it out please.....no wonder the Glazers have OK'd big money..... Knowing United they have had who they want, set in cement for months and are working on them all right now. de G man, Schneider and possibly Young by all accounts. Mind you Fergie could just come up with a surprise. I hear there's a set of Argentinian triplets, creative midfielders all.
If you look at what the salaries of VDS, Scholes, Neville, O'Shea, Gibson and Brown (and maybe even Goggs after his penis explodes) would have been next year...someone work it out please.....no wonder the Glazers have OK'd big money..... Knowing United they have had who they want, set in cement for months and are working on them all right now. de G man, Schneider and possibly Young by all accounts. Mind you Fergie could just come up with a surprise. I hear there's a set of Argentinian triplets, creative midfielders all.
We've survived long enough without scholes and Hargreaves but I hope we sign at least one top man now.
I think Tom cleverly will get his chance this year.
I'm just shocked and a bit sad that o Shea might be off. He's a great back up man. And I dont think Evans is that great either to be the new utility man.
No Gibson does have a value. Somewhere from £6-9m.
Brown very little value perhaps £2m. OShea possibly same as Gibson.
Brown very little value perhaps £2m. OShea possibly same as Gibson.
;-)
Re the "oh noes, we must replace so many players!!!!111!" thing I saw a ways back in this thread: no we don't.
VDS: De Gea
PIG: Hasn't left yet, but if he does, Lindegaard
Neville: I will say nothing bad about Gary Neville. I will simply note that replacing his production last year is...not hard. Really, the twins not both getting injured so bloody much'd more than take care of that.
Brown: Jones
O'Shea: TBD
Gibson: Cleverley
Hargreaves: Without being unkind to poor Owen, if we want to sign someone who'll be unable to do a thing after five minutes on the pitch, I'm available on a free.
Scholes: Depends on which Scholes you're talking about. The player he was in his prime you don't replace, you just find other great players to build around. Maybe Sneijder'll be that player, maybe Rooney already is, maybe Nani will, but if we're talking the more recent Scholesy, Giggs is stepping into that role. Doesn't quite have Scholes' touch, but still gets forward better. Accumulates fewer cards as well. Which leads to:
Giggs: As he's not quite a winger anymore, Young steps into this role. Different sort of player, but we don't always need to replace an apple with an apple when the fruit salad will accommodate a pear just as easily. (That might be the worst metaphor I've ever written.) As for replacing Giggs when he finally retires, that's a problem for another year.
VDS: De Gea
PIG: Hasn't left yet, but if he does, Lindegaard
Neville: I will say nothing bad about Gary Neville. I will simply note that replacing his production last year is...not hard. Really, the twins not both getting injured so bloody much'd more than take care of that.
Brown: Jones
O'Shea: TBD
Gibson: Cleverley
Hargreaves: Without being unkind to poor Owen, if we want to sign someone who'll be unable to do a thing after five minutes on the pitch, I'm available on a free.
Scholes: Depends on which Scholes you're talking about. The player he was in his prime you don't replace, you just find other great players to build around. Maybe Sneijder'll be that player, maybe Rooney already is, maybe Nani will, but if we're talking the more recent Scholesy, Giggs is stepping into that role. Doesn't quite have Scholes' touch, but still gets forward better. Accumulates fewer cards as well. Which leads to:
Giggs: As he's not quite a winger anymore, Young steps into this role. Different sort of player, but we don't always need to replace an apple with an apple when the fruit salad will accommodate a pear just as easily. (That might be the worst metaphor I've ever written.) As for replacing Giggs when he finally retires, that's a problem for another year.
Probably already been said but £12m for Brown, Gibson and OShea is a laughable offer. Outrageous really!
I'd be shocked if OShea and Gibson go; Brown doesn't seem to have a future at United anymore. Pity.
I'd be shocked if OShea and Gibson go; Brown doesn't seem to have a future at United anymore. Pity.
If we're really letting Gibson go that is 3 potential central midfielders we're letting go (so to speak- Scholes, Hargreaves & Gibson. Anderson is injury-prone and we have obviously seen the need to step up from Fletcher & Carrick if we're going to step up.
Can't see SAF sanctioning Gibson leaving without being quite sure we've got someone else coming in!
Presumably Pogba can be put in for a few games but you feel he's confident.
What do you think each is worth?
Cleverley is coming back. But to be fair, we're not really losing three midfielders because we've lost Hargreaves three years ago.
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away, now they as though they're here to stay, oh I believe in John O'Shea.
Cleverley, he's not half the player John used to be...
Why he had to go I don't know, Fergie wouldn't say, he's done something wrong, now I long for John O'Shea...
I'd like us to get rid of Brown and Gibson, O'Shea is still useful. Would be sad to see Brown leave though.
Never though I'd hear you say that after this thread - https://www.redcafe.net/f6/sell-oshea-224039/