Most posters are not for wanting to move on O'Shea, they're just trying to explain United's thought process behind wanting to let players leave.
Sunderland bid £12m for O'Shea, Gibson & Brown
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
Most posters are not for wanting to move on O'Shea, they're just trying to explain United's thought process behind wanting to let players leave.
The big question to come from this....
Is who will next seasons scape goat be?
Is who will next seasons scape goat be?
Is who will next seasons scape goat be?
Berbatov.
First of all, when has Park played in the center? Strange observation, that
Giggs
Anderson
Gibson
Fletcher
Carrick
New guy
Cleverly
With the new guy and Cleverly replacing Scholes and Hargreaves.
Is who will next seasons scape goat be?
Carrick...
You sound like a spokesman!
10-12 for brown and Gibson - the only other players in the squad i'd be looking to sell are diouf and pig
Maybe obertan too
I think Cleverly will be a better upgrade on Gibson so I wouldn't mind seeing him go.
Brown is not going to play anymore with all the competition so maybe it would be better for him and the club if he leaves.
No way I would let John O'Shea leave, not a chance. He has been too good of a squad player over the years, and will continue to be one, if he stays. He is invaluable to the squad.
Brown is not going to play anymore with all the competition so maybe it would be better for him and the club if he leaves.
No way I would let John O'Shea leave, not a chance. He has been too good of a squad player over the years, and will continue to be one, if he stays. He is invaluable to the squad.
Melodramatic crap?
Although I reckon that comment was more aimed at another poster (rightly) than Adex.
Against Barca and Arsenal away this season in the 2nd half of the matches, did you miss those games? He also played there v AC Milan last year if I remember correctly.
I dont mind Gibson too much. He has done OK for us espeically in a few games in the latter stages of the season
But I cannot agree with the idea of keeping him over Anderson. Who has it in him to be a World Class Midfielder (Trying not to go over the top about him but I have always thought he will one day)
You let them want to leave first, then you let them leave, isn't that how it works? Apart from Brown, who I'm not sure about, Gibson and O'Shea seem pretty happy at Old Trafford.
Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying?
My understanding is that players in the last years of their contracts are cheaper because the selling club don't hold all the cards - the buying club could just wait a year and get him on a free. I'd be surprised if O'Shea wasn't willing to sign a one or two year extension with us more than he'd like to go to Sunderland, so doesn't that make the fact that he's in the last year of his contract a moot point?
I agree. It will be interesting to see how SAF, Gill, O'Shea, Brown and Gibson look at it!
He plays almost all his games in the middle these days.
If SAF deems you surplus to requirements, you are gone. There are many examples.
It was. It just seems odd to start with all the over reactions a) before any move is complete and especially b) before the end of the transfer window. ]
The squad is ageing and needs new blood. I see it as an exciting move, despite having fond memories of some of the players potentially leaving. There is no room for sentimentality in football though.
For Brucie to have made the bid he must have gotten the nod that the three are available IMO.
Staying at United is not just about players being happy.
Agree. Are they not wine drinking buddies?
They can keep their mitts off oshea, what if the de gea deal falls through, we need John to play in goal
I don't believe we made o'shea available for sale....bruce is just trying his luck and testing the water...
It was (standard wise) the worst league we played in tha past half a decade and we were lucky not to meet the European big guys earlier (we meet mighty Shalke and an off form Chelsea rather then Real or Barca).
Don't take me wrong, we do have some great individuals in the team. Rio, Nani, Hernandez, Rooney, Vidic etc. On the other hand its clear that a change need to be made and since we're not financed by a sheik it makes sense to get rid of 30 yr old bench warmers and bring in talent who have actually the potential to become better then that. Oshea is the best of the bunch and he's great to have around due to his versatility. On the other hand god knows if he still want to be a utility player. Not to forget that while the defense may not be old, we do have a huge majority of it on their thirties (Vidic is 29, Rio is 32, OShea is 30, Wes is 31 and Evra is 30). You can't really blame SAF for getting rid of the 30 yr olds that aren't first teamers and he is replacing them with younger talent.
Bruce wants to swap Henderson for Ngog and our 3 plus a million. They really suffered from lack of squad depth last season so I can see where he's coming from. We should definitely hold out for more money, though. Or keep JOS and sell the other two for £10-12m
If O'Shea doesn't agree to go to Sunderland, what are the odds on Redknapp bidding for him?
I'd rather Brown just go as the other 2 can still make a contribution to Manchester United for the next few years.
Wish Sunderland had bid £12m for Brown. I'd be pissing myself more than when Richardson went for £5.5m
Wish Sunderland had bid £12m for Brown. I'd be pissing myself more than when Richardson went for £5.5m
Good point. O'Shea is the main one out of those three that I would like to keep. But it's not up to me. We would have to replace him eventually, and if Fergie sees that Jones has the potential and versatility to be here long term. I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to make the future, the present.
If all these transfer rumours are true it looks like he wants to overhaul the aging part of the squad and prepare for a fresh assault on domestic and European glory.
I doubt we want to let him go to be honest
He's a very important squad player, the squad players who are happy to come every now and then and do a solid job are almost as important as the marquee players
You can't have 22 marquee players, Mourinho's Chelsea towards the end showed that, I guess we'll see it soon at City. You need to have the guys who won't grumble and are happy to be squad players
No way they have have John O Shea. One of my favourite players during the entire SAF era. A consummate professional who lives and breathes our clubs values. With 70+ Champions Leagues games, he is so vastly under appreciated by some of our fans, its criminal.
Brown and Gibson they are welcome too.
Brown and Gibson they are welcome too.
i can't believe we'd even entertain the thought of letting sheasy go, but with brucey and saf being mates, i also feel that the bid wouldn't have been made without there being some understanding that we're open to dealing regarding these players.
I reckon we'll ask for something like 18 million for the 3 and end up selling for 14-15 million for the 3.
I reckon we'll ask for something like 18 million for the 3 and end up selling for 14-15 million for the 3.
It sounds all good and shiny, but normally that's not how it works, though. New players, especially young ones, will take time to bed in, and there's no certainty if they can actually contribute the way we would want them to. Whereas the likes of O'Shea are tried and true. My point is that overhaul is not always the best thing to do, all things considered. Btw O'Shea is not even old.
I think so, plus Fergie has always seemed to have a decent relationship with Sunderland.
I disagree, a club at Sunderland's position don't big for a player who was a regular for last season's champions unless they have been encouraged.
If we are indeed selling O'Shea then the interest in Varane would substantiate into something more i guess. As sad as i'd be to see O'Shea leave, i can see the reason that the posters are trying to make and in some distant corner of the heart, i guess everyone realises O'shea deserves a stint as a starting member in a club!.
Brown was always going leave this summer.
Gibson also deserves more game time in order to develop his game and him moving to a club like Sunderland would make great sense. I do think that Gibson would be valued a lot more after this coming season because he's a lot better and more accurate with his passing than someone like Adam. But to say you'd rather keep him than Anderson, as some poster seem to have said, is just doesn't make sense.
Brown was always going leave this summer.
Gibson also deserves more game time in order to develop his game and him moving to a club like Sunderland would make great sense. I do think that Gibson would be valued a lot more after this coming season because he's a lot better and more accurate with his passing than someone like Adam. But to say you'd rather keep him than Anderson, as some poster seem to have said, is just doesn't make sense.
If these 3 guys do go to Sunderland along with the fact VDS, Neville, Scholes have retired how many will come in?
It's been rumoured that Sunderland wanted Brown for a while and they have been linked with Gibson since the Liverpool/Henderson deal started to move. My guess is Jones unexpectedly coming in has led to Fergie letting Brucie know O'Shea is also now available and a package deal for the 3 was on offer.
Jones to replace O'Shea, De Gea to replace VDS, Cleverley to replace Gibson, Wes hardly played last year and neither did Gaz so I doubt we'd add anyone to replace them. Buying in midfield to replace Scholes will be the big one IMO.
You made it sound like we do our business the Costco way.
Not sure what the equivalence of Costco in the UK is
I have some of the same concerns about there being too much change too soon. Some of it's been forced on us though and we've known it was gonna happen for some time. Van der Sar, Neville, Scholes, Hargreaves and possibly others leaving at the same time would make for a busy summer.
Whether we like it or not, we've got to try and address it. Thankfully we've managed the age groups well over the years and we still have enough experienced players to guide the next generation along. Just need to trust that they can fulfil their potential.
We shouldn't let O'shea go.
It's Costco here, too.