Sunderland agree fee for McNair and Love | Done Deal

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FlawlessThaw said:
Leicester were about to break their transfer record on Troy Deeney. A player who has had just one premier league season, scored just 15 goals overall last year and is the same age as Fellaini. Your opinion doesn't really matter, the money available to premier league clubs has gone through the roof.
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They were willing to bid big for Deeney but once it got to 25m and rejected it became clear that Watford were simply not interested. 25m is nothing to Watford when they lose their best player and talisman. The goals and assists he brings to keep them in the league and rolling in the PL cash.

Fellaini is someone who isn't going to start much. He'll get Europa probably and back up to Pogba if he stays but he's just one option from many. We have a plethora of midfielders now. Of course fan opinions don't matter when all is said and done but it's telling when most have him in our third eleven. He's far from an important player for Utd and we're not in a position of strength to negotiate.
 
NinjaFletch said:
But surely you have to recognise that a fee 'too good to turn down' is relative and that the potential for clubs in the league to offer a fee of that sort has increased?

I still think he'll be here on September 1st but if we do sell him to a team in the league we should be taking advantadge of what they are able to pay now.
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Of course it's relative, but United are in a unique position when it comes to finances. Even with the increased broadcast money the other teams are receiving there's not a club in the PL who can offer us enough money where we'd sell a player we would rather keep.

Any team in the PL buying a player from us knows that we're only willing to sell because we're not arsed about keeping them. That gives them the power in negotiations.
 
Earthquake said:
We've notably had a history of negotiating fairly weak deals for the club, to help the player along. It's a pretty unique approach, but Woodward seems to be pushing more for better deals for the club where possible.
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Also this.
 
No chance Fellaini will downgrade that far. He'll stay, or find a bigger club than Sunderland.

Januzaj should consider it. Moyes clearly rates him, but again I see him wanting a more glamorous club, even if he doesn't warrant that.
 
Rado_N said:
Of course it's relative, but United are in a unique position when it comes to finances. Even with the increased broadcast money the other teams are receiving there's not a club in the PL who can offer us enough money where we'd sell a player we would rather keep.

Any team in the PL buying a player from us knows that we're only willing to sell because we're not arsed about keeping them. That gives them the power in negotiations.
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Whilst thats true I still think Fellaini is in a category of player thats good enough to be useful for us without being important enough for us to keep them if we get a good offer. Same for Young, Blind, Mata, and Rojo. We won't sell all of them and we might even keep all of them, but I still think those are player who aren't necessarily safe.

I agree we don't need the money, but we also don't need a Taiwanese sanitary towel sponsor and we'll sign four of those over the course of next season. Nor is it really a surprise that the only player actively being shifted out, seemingly, is one of our highest earners. We're a rich club, but we didn't become one by flittering money away and I just don't see us turning down big money for replaceable squad players.

Edit: as an aside I think there's a lot of players who are overpaid compared to what their roles will be next season as a result of our managerial changes which will shift the equation in ways that doesn't often happen with us.
 
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McNair is a good pick-up for them.

If Januzaj is smart, he pushes for a loan move to Sunderland to revive his career. Unfortunately, according to reports, Januzaj doesn't want another loan.
 
Right move for both us and them to move on. Don't see Love having any real impact there, McNair will probably be decent for them if given time. Neither were gonna make it here.
 
Given the circumstances they are surplus, fond of them, love is full of enthusiasm and could forge a good career for himself but he never had that extra you look for in a United fullback, I think McNair, if harnessed properly has a better future in CM than CB, he has good vision, is positive going forward and is good on the ball.
 
I always thought there was something about McNair. He looks talented in a John Stones sort of way. He can have an absolute mare at the back, but he glosses over it with good touch, passing and dribbling.

So that'll be £50m, Sunderland. Cover most of the Pogba fee. Mcnairs shirt sales in the last two years will cover the rest. Now we just have to wait for the NYSE to open tomorrow. Do Sunderland announce transfers on Wednesdays?
 
Boycott said:
They were willing to bid big for Deeney but once it got to 25m and rejected it became clear that Watford were simply not interested. 25m is nothing to Watford when they lose their best player and talisman. The goals and assists he brings to keep them in the league and rolling in the PL cash.

Fellaini is someone who isn't going to start much. He'll get Europa probably and back up to Pogba if he stays but he's just one option from many. We have a plethora of midfielders now. Of course fan opinions don't matter when all is said and done but it's telling when most have him in our third eleven. He's far from an important player for Utd and we're not in a position of strength to negotiate.
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£25m is still a lot to Watford when they have the likes of Ighalo who is a better player than Deeney and I think Leicester upped it to £30m before giving up.

Fellaini started for us in the Community Shield even with Schneiderlin and Herrera around. He's not an important player but he would be used by us regardless even if the majority on here don't rate him.
 
Earthquake said:
We've notably had a history of negotiating fairly weak deals for the club, to help the player along. It's a pretty unique approach, but Woodward seems to be pushing more for better deals for the club where possible.
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Aye and that's why I don't think we will be a walkover on Fellaini despite the opinions on here.
 
Neither are good enough for anyone above the Championship. McNair doesn't want the ball and is not confident when playing. As far as selling goes, just to put it into perspective £8m would pay half of Wayne Rooney's wages for the year. It's still a great deal for us though, although I very much doubt it'll be more than £3m.
 
Love is a bit underrated.He's a decent defender.Obviously nowhere near United quality but League One as a push?Luke McCullough is a League One regular and Love is much better than him.

Still Sunderland should have targeted better option.McNair's is fair.Sunderland is probably around his level of potential.
 
Tiber said:
In LVGs first game V Swansea, I was sitting in one of the corners at OT and some youth team players behind me spent the entire game complaining that it was a joke that Blackett got anywhere near the first team.

He hasnt exactly proven them wrong
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Very professional of them.
 
@NinjaFletch

McNair only got promoted because Van Gaal works with a small squad and that squad had an horrific injury record in defensive positions. Blackett also played a good number of games in that team and subsequently couldn't even get a game in the SPL!

Whilst what you say generally has good historical evidence to back it up I do feel that you are ignoring the specific context of what happened during LVG's reign a little.
 
Good fee, if true. McNair was never up to it. Talented player, but one of the softer players I've seen play for the club. He'd make an error then visibly shite himself for the remainder of the game - or until he had to be taken off. He'll have a good little career, though. Just not at United.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:


Not one to bullshit so think this will be decent info.
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Selling Fellaini would be a good move if we could get a decent price for him since he isn't that bad but clearly isn't good enough for United. However, Mou seems to value him so Sunderland (or whoever) would have to make a good offer to lure him away - good position to start negotiations from our end though.
Adnan should only be sold if we could secure ourselves a buy-back clause in case he does well. He's talented but we don't know if he could make it in the EPL so giving him a fresh start with less pressure under a coach who clearly rates him and gaining a nice fee would be the best for all parties.

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If this is true even Woddy's biggest critics must admit that this would be very good business from him. Both aren't good enough for United (Love not even for the EPL IMO) so getting rid of them for this kind of fee would be incredible.
Well done Woody!!

Btw that pic of Mou is epic :lol:
 
Can't really comments on Love as I know feck all about him. McNair, never rated him whatsoever and I have no issue with him leaving. Not even sure he is Sunderland quality, but we shall see.
 
Rado_N said:
Of course it's relative, but United are in a unique position when it comes to finances. Even with the increased broadcast money the other teams are receiving there's not a club in the PL who can offer us enough money where we'd sell a player we would rather keep.

Any team in the PL buying a player from us knows that we're only willing to sell because we're not arsed about keeping them. That gives them the power in negotiations.
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Precisely, but this will still be used as a stick to beat up Woody and the club with.
 
Pogba in, Fellaini out in the same week would really go some way towards extinguishing the dark cloud that's hung over us since 2013.

8 million for Love and McNair is good business, but I don't see much more than 12-15m for Fellaini.
 
Hope they do well. I reckon McNair can become a decent PL player at least
 
5m rising to 7m is a good fee for McNair. It was all downhill for him after the first couple of outing in which he looked the real deal.

He would be good for Sunderland. Can play both as a DM and CB.
 
Brilliant move for McNair and as a Northern Ireland fan I'm delighted that he should be playing first-team premiership football which is what the kid really needs now.
 
Gopher Brown said:
Neither are good enough for anyone above the Championship. McNair doesn't want the ball and is not confident when playing. As far as selling goes, just to put it into perspective £8m would pay half of Wayne Rooney's wages for the year. It's still a great deal for us though, although I very much doubt it'll be more than £3m.
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Have you actually ever watched a match when he's playing because if you had, I can recommend Specsavers.
 
golden_blunder said:
Have you actually ever watched a match when he's playing because if you had, I can recommend Specsavers.
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He started off well but the last few games he played he just kept passing backwards EVERY time he got the ball, it was getting ridiculous. Unfortunately he's just not good enough to be a top level CB. Will make a good utility player for Sunderland though.
 
golden_blunder said:
Have you actually ever watched a match when he's playing because if you had, I can recommend Specsavers.
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Some of your fans are ridiculously harsh when judging the performances of youth players coming into the first team - McNair shows a lot of promise and I have no doubt he will have a very good career in the Premiership, just because he wasn't an instant top class player in what at the time was a mess of a team which obviously impacted on the kid's confidence doesnt mean he is not a good player.
 
Adam-Utd said:
He started off well but the last few games he played he just kept passing backwards EVERY time he got the ball, it was getting ridiculous. Unfortunately he's just not good enough to be a top level CB. Will make a good utility player for Sunderland though.
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He isn't a CB though, he is a midfielder who filled in at CB. McNair will end up being a very good DM and has been superb for Northern Ireland in that position.
 
golden_blunder said:
Have you actually ever watched a match when he's playing because if you had, I can recommend Specsavers.
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Yes, I have. That's what I see. Compared to someone like TFM, he's timid and tries to hide. He is also affected badly by his mistakes, which will prevent him from becoming a top player.
 
Adam-Utd said:
He started off well but the last few games he played he just kept passing backwards EVERY time he got the ball, it was getting ridiculous. Unfortunately he's just not good enough to be a top level CB. Will make a good utility player for Sunderland though.
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That's not strictly true, when he was playing fullback he would bomb forward.

that being said I wouldn't judge anyone for playing cautiously under LVG, all the players were at it

I hope he goes to Sunderland, gets regular football and blossoms into a solid PL player, I think he's capable off it like others before him (Shawcross, Evans, Cathcart)
 
balaks said:
He isn't a CB though, he is a midfielder who filled in at CB. McNair will end up being a very good DM and has been superb for Northern Ireland in that position.
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That's the problem isn't it? Started as a striker, moved to CB in the ressies, played a few times at CB and wasn't great, then moved into CDM for Northern because they've already got Evans and Mccauley. He isn't good enough to be a proper CDM, he just get's moved around to wherever he can find a place.
 
golden_blunder said:
That's not strictly true, when he was playing fullback he would bomb forward.

that being said I wouldn't judge anyone for playing cautiously under LVG, all the players were at it

I hope he goes to Sunderland, gets regular football and blossoms into a solid PL player, I think he's capable off it like others before him (Shawcross, Evans, Cathcart)
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Yeah he did better at RB, did really well in that cup match? he definitely has potential but his confidence was rock bottom recently. Remember him getting dragged at halftime away to Southampton and I don't think he ever really recovered from that. Hopefully we've got a buyback clause just incase.
 
Adam-Utd said:
That's the problem isn't it? Started as a striker, moved to CB in the ressies, played a few times at CB and wasn't great, then moved into CDM for Northern because they've already got Evans and Mccauley. He isn't good enough to be a proper CDM, he just get's moved around to wherever he can find a place.
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I disagree, the kid was always a midfielder from his youth days and was signed as such. He has been judged harshly by some as a CB when that was never his main position. Also a lot of people would view the fact he had the ability to play in different positions as a positive (and a sign of an adaptable player). I guess it's all about perspective but now he is leaving Man Utd I think he will really kick on now and become a very decent Premiership player.
 
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