Wishful thinking to get 25m for Marouane. When his stock was at its highest we still had a majority view that 27.5 was over his value so 3 years on when he has become a bit of a joke figure I'd say we'd do well to get 15m.
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Wishful thinking to get 25m for Marouane. When his stock was at its highest we still had a majority view that 27.5 was over his value so 3 years on when he has become a bit of a joke figure I'd say we'd do well to get 15m.
If they sign Fellaini I might become a believer... ohh wait, I got a devil with a trident tattooed on my neck. They might not want me up there 
Thats bollocks though. He's not a good enough player for Manchester United, no, but thats exactly what I'm talking about. There's a huge gulf between being good enough to be here and not being good at all.
All of those players have done well since they've left. They haven't done 'Manchester United' well but they've nevertheless done well and become the better players at their club. I remember when Fletcher left people were talking about how his illness has ruined him to the point where he didn't resemble a professional footballer anymore, and then he went on to become one of West Brom's best players.
People hugely underestimate the gulf between playing at Manchester United with all the pressure and scrutiny that comes with it and playing at other Premier League clubs. We see it the other way all the time, when players struggle to make the step up, but people don't seem to consider it when players make the step down.
Sunderland fans aren't going to be judging him by the same standards we judge a Manchester United centre half, they'll judge him as a Sunderland centre half. To be a good player for them he doesn't need to be anywhere near as good as he would have to be to be a good player for us.
It's not about going on to do better things, it's about going on to have perfectly decent careers at Premier League clubs in spite of people writing them off as utterly useless.
Out of necessity. And that run of games was about the extent of his career here (and even then him and his brother were unlucky with injuries, opportunities and managerial changes, I think he probably should have made more of his career).
I'm not talking about Love, thats just a downright weird signing. I'm talking about players that have made a more substantial amount of first team appearances. Tunnicliffe got a run out in the league cup once I think, and I'm not even sure Larnell Cole managed that. McNair played, according to wikipedia, played 27 first team games. Fabio played more (and has done well at Cardiff and is by most accounts about to make the step back up to Premier League level) but I'm not sure you'd be able to name any who have been an outright failure at Premier League level having come through our youth system and played any real number of games for our first team. Hell even quite a lot of players who don't even manage that have gone on to have decent careers in the Premiership.
All I'm saying is as much as people moan about how shit players like McNair are by the very virtue of being good enough to play here at all the strong likelihood is they are more talented than people given them credit for and will go on to do well in the premier league (I think we have the highest number of academy graduates playing in the league out of anyone don't we?).
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How can they put a price on Love?
She said Love don't come easy..It's a game of give and take 2m.
Leicester still have more title winning graduates from our academy in their first team squad than we do....
Rather than think "Nobody does anything once they leave" why not think 'How amazing is it that without question, we have more ex-academy players playing professional footballer than any other team in England.
McNair I can see being like another O'Shea for them, dependable and can play few positions. He's still young enough to improve too.
Found McNair one of the most frustrating players to watch so glad he's moving on.
I hope it's true that the fee is £8m 
Classy
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Prices for players have all increased since 3 years back. And so it doesn't matter that 3 years majority view was 27.5 was over his value, the likely value for Fellaini we get will be over his value.
In the meantime prices have gone mental and Premier League clubs are spending more on worse players than him. Should recoup what we bought him for.
Januzaj should be with buyout clause,think we should practice that specially when we are selling for low amounts. If buying clubs dont accept that,then feck them.
5mil rising to 7mil for Paddy, 500k for Love according to that Sunderland forumI hope it's true that the fee is £8m
Prices have gone crazy because selling clubs don't need the money in the same way as before and so it takes more to pull players away.
When you're talking about cutting players we don't really want it's a different dynamic.
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/thread...r-mcnair-and-donald-love-sky-sources.1261703/
They are absolutely raging on there. Going ballistic.
I like the one saying "Rather have Jenny Eclair and Donald Duck"....
Is there anything to suggest we don't want Fellaini other than desperation?
Not sure there is.
I think we'd be open to selling him if we got a good offer but more than happy to keep him which is pretty much exactly the environment that would breed a high fee.
We only sell players we don't want, aside from the odd exception such as Ronaldo where the player leads things.
We've never sold a player for money that I can think of.
He's 3 years older. They won't get any resale value on him and the factor of his wages have to be taken into account. Usually Utd sell low because the players are on high wages. And we only sell when a player is of no use to us anymore so we don't have the upper hand when it comes to negotiating.
How many posters making comments have watched Love on more than a few occasions? McNair would be a fair back-up or a starter at a club who's ambition is to survive.
Half the players we've sold in recent years have been to balance the books (in particular for wages) which is in effect for money.
Buy back clause please.
Also would have kept Paddy and would have sold Blackett instead.
Also would have kept Paddy and would have sold Blackett instead.
Moyes sounds popular already
Yeah his early decisions up there are not going down too well, knew it wouldn't be long before some of them started disliking him. Checked on there earlier and i think i saw someone had even started a Moyes Out! thread
Name a single player we've sold for financial reasons that we'd rather have kept.
Resale value is largely irrelevant to Premier League clubs. Fellaini is also 28 so given his game relies more on his size than pace, he has a fair few years left at the top of his game. Most lower Premier League teams know he will be a huge asset to them, as do we.
We've also never been in a situation where mid-table Premier League teams can spunk £30m on a player before or players like Bolasie are being bought for so much.
There's not a huge amount of difference between selling Welbeck for what we did back then and getting £25- £30m for Fellaini given the differences in what clubs can afford to spend now.
I think you're wrong on McNair but it may be that he finds his spot at DM where he's played well for NI rather than as a CB
That wasn't the point I made. It's more it's not black and white ie not everyone is a must keep or must sell player.
I think if offers of decent value weren't made on the likes of Di Maria and Welbeck, they wouldn't have been sold. We sold Hernandez for £10m last year, I doubt we would have sold him for under. We have our own internal values for players but like to get rid of players to ensure wage budget is balanced.
I don't think we'll be forced to sell Fellaini unless we get a value the club feels is worth it.
That still doesn't change the fact that if we wanted Fellaini we wouldn't sell him.
He looked awful at the Euros in that position but give him the benefit of the doubt there. I think he is a good player but we have better talents than him at centre half coming through.
Love is nowhere near premier league standard.
He will be an asset to them but not to the point he is the man they go and break their transfer record on. At least in my opinion.
I say resale value will be considered since if they did buy for 25m and locked him in on a 3-4 year contract then what happens if he turns out to be a dud? It'll be the last big move of his career. They'll have a player who is not contributing and his value is depreciating since he's not young anymore. A younger talent at the very least still has time on his side for the club to part ways for a decent deal for all parties.
Again it depends. I think Mourinho classes him as a player he can find a role for but isn't overly fussed if he has to get rid of.
There's a huge amount of difference between wanting to keep a player and being content to sell them if the money was right.
Di Maria and Welbeck both wanted away for differing reasons, and from there we obviously try to get the best deal we can.
My only point throughout this has been that we don't tend to be in a position where we're selling players we have a use for because the offer is too good to turn down.
Leicester were about to break their transfer record on Troy Deeney. A player who has had just one premier league season, scored just 15 goals overall last year and is the same age as Fellaini. Your opinion doesn't really matter, the money available to premier league clubs has gone through the roof.
Well we've generally been pretty bad at handling the selling of players in the past. Chelsea have been a lot better in that respect of getting stronger value out of players they weren't overly fussed about.
The difference between Fellaini and say Nani though is I think the former has lower wages and he will be a consistent product for lower team in the Premier League.
Macnairs reverse header against West Ham on his debut should be worth about 5 million at least. Donald Love should be worth about 3 million just for the pun value of his name alone.
But its Sunderland and Moyes so price them out of it completley and let the stupid clowns be relegated by November.
But its Sunderland and Moyes so price them out of it completley and let the stupid clowns be relegated by November.
But surely you have to recognise that a fee 'too good to turn down' is relative and that the potential for clubs in the league to offer a fee of that sort has increased?
I still think he'll be here on September 1st but if we do sell him to a team in the league we should be taking advantadge of what they are able to pay now.
We've notably had a history of negotiating fairly weak deals for the club, to help the player along. It's a pretty unique approach, but Woodward seems to be pushing more for better deals for the club where possible.
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