This is definitely the right decision. I don't rate either of them. But good luck to them.
Sunderland agree fee for McNair and Love | Done Deal
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He is but he also is a specialist in a position that he is getting playing time in - McNair didn't have that luxury.
Right decision to let both go. McNair is a talented player but he's not a defender, he will make it in the Prem as he's good on the ball, can dribble and pick a pass.
Love on the other hand will be lucky to make it in the Championship. He was poor when he played last year and he thought his performances were good which says everything about his talent. I can't see him starting for Sunderland.
Love on the other hand will be lucky to make it in the Championship. He was poor when he played last year and he thought his performances were good which says everything about his talent. I can't see him starting for Sunderland.
When we go up to the Stadium of Light next year, we can all say that We Found Love in a Hopeless Place.
Good luck to the both of them
Love is thrash, but he might come in handy longterm when they are relegated to the Championship. McNair could be a decent all-round player for one of the bottom half teams in the premier league if there is a manager who will insist playing him despite costing him some games. I think he could be like defensive version of Daley Blind playing a fullback/CB/CDM although I think his best position might be CDM in the future.
Good luck to them, now get rid of Blackett, Weir, Sadiq, McTominay
Good luck to them, now get rid of Blackett, Weir, Sadiq, McTominay
5 million for McNair (1 year left on deal) 500k for Love
Great business from United imo
McNair has some potential, £5M could be a bargain in a few years
Very good business indeed.
Why so harsh on McNair - absolutely ridiculous comment 'if there is a manager who will insist playing him despite costing him some games'. He is a kid who was thrust into a complete mess of a side and asked to play positions he is not a natural in and you judge him so harshly? He was one of your youth players - surely you should be supporting him and not being so hard on him. Reminds me of some of the stuff that was said about Evans over the years. Both will be very good premiership players away from Utd.
He's definitely Sunderland quality, as is Moyes.
Not sure if already mentioned, but I was reading through that Sunderland forum and this made me chuckle:
Moyes going back to his roots and investing in young players like he did at Everton.
McNair played well as a CDM for Northern Ireland. Liverpool got 4m for Sinclair, 6m for Smith and 15m for Ibe. So hopefully we get at least 7m. Either way, neither were good enough for United.
I've been watching United youth teams for a while and I believe I can guess player's potential a bit.
I think we've seen quite enough of him in the first team as well to say that, he's never gonna be good enough for one of the big clubs... "absolutely ridiculous" is your overreaction. I wish him well but assess the player realistically. It's not like he will get the starting spot straight away, he's not good enough to start as a CB regularly without making errors from which he would learn, the same with RB position, the safest bet could be DM as I said but despite being it more natural position for him to play in, considering his skill set, it's a relatively new position to him, it will defo take time for him to settle there and it'd make sense to start him in midfield three from the off..
Love will struggle to make it in the championship, that's just reality...
I reckon I was being generous if anything judging both players in my comment you found so bloody ridiculous. Not every fecking player from our academy must necessarily become great, and we had many better than them in the past who are struggling now in lower leagues.. just because crazy Vangle decided to pick him like he did with Blackett etc, doesn't mean he is destined for big things..
If that is you being generous then I'd hate to see you be less than generous! Obviously a lot of youth players do not make it but I would have thought that even those who do not make it at your club should still receive 100% support as they have a bond to the club that many of the senior players who have been transferred in do not. My point was that he is a midfielder who is being judged as a defender.
McNair is comfortably an EPL player. He'll be a good player with regular football.. could progress beyond Sunderland imo.
just noticed you support Spurs and NI, that explains everything, there is nothing harsh on my comment and you should get over it, all in all I wished Paddy well while making realistic assessment of his ability.. I backed him when he played and that's enough for me, now he's off and I am not going to cry because of that like when we released sold hundreds of better players before him
It's hard to judge him I think. Such a short amount of time in the job, limited funds in a bouyant market, and on top of that Sunderland are notoriously crap at scouting; so he's really got to buy based on his own experience and player knowledge, which will be a bit out if date now. At Everton Moyes did extremely well with recruitment on a shoestring, and provided he is given time I would expect he will improve Sunderland's scouting and buyibg capabilities hugely.
I have to agree with Norn Iron here Paddy was never given a run in his prefered position so we really have to see how he does at Sunderland before judging him
About £6m
I think it's a fair price for McNair - similar to the Shawcross deal (£2m). Good value for the buying team in the long run but United were never going to give enough game time to develop his game further and drive his value up. Could easily see Sunderland making 3x that on him down the line.
Love's just a bad signing for Moyes. He's clearly not up to it at this level.
Love's just a bad signing for Moyes. He's clearly not up to it at this level.
McNair will do okay there, honestly. He's a good player.
Some of you are confusing him with Tyler Blackett it would seem.
I wish him all the best. Doubt anyone thought Drinkwater or de Laet would get a premier league (and in de Laets case, Championship!) winners medals when they left here. McNair would do well to emulate them but the ridiculously harsh comments regarding his quality need to be addressed. It's good business by Moyes in all honesty if they live up to their ability.
Some of you are confusing him with Tyler Blackett it would seem.
I wish him all the best. Doubt anyone thought Drinkwater or de Laet would get a premier league (and in de Laets case, Championship!) winners medals when they left here. McNair would do well to emulate them but the ridiculously harsh comments regarding his quality need to be addressed. It's good business by Moyes in all honesty if they live up to their ability.
It's been suggested one could come in. But Maybe we're done now. I think it depends on how many leave.
Championship players at best so Moyes clearly has high hopes for Sunderland. 
Looks like Januzaj to Sunderland is loan only. Just incase he does a Pogba. Personally, I don't see him achieving or reaching that level of ability. I do think Andreas Pereira is one too hang on too though. He's one, I think could be quality. Hope he leaves only on loan.
I am just wondering if Moyes/Sunderland really wanted Love or we told them that McNair comes in package...with Love 
6m for two players? That's nothing in this modern age of football. Decent business there.
I really don't understand comments like this. Based on what?Championship players at best so Moyes clearly has high hopes for Sunderland.
I don't rate McNair nor Love? McNair had a promising couple of games but generally looks poor and Love is especially shite from what I saw last season. If you feel differently that's fair enough.
From what we've seen of McNair, he's not good enough for us but that isn't a slight on him. He's probably above Sunderland's level, so with some consistent minutes in the PL, I can see him becoming an important player for Sunderland and if he moves on, Sunderland might make a lot of money on him.
if that's the case, hopefully we've added some sort of a buy back clause in there too
I am just wondering if Moyes/Sunderland really wanted Love or we told them that McNair comes in package...with Love
if that's the case, hopefully we've added some sort of a buy back clause in there too There's lot more United graduates out there than that. Sure they didn't make it at United, but they played at high level and definitely are/were PL quality.
Robbie Brady, James Chester, Frazier Campbell just to name a few.
Good luck to both of them, hope all United graduates get a decent career as it reflects well on our Academy.
With regular first team football McNair will develop into a much better centre-half than Bailly
Huge statement. Northern Ireland bias I assume?
I'd be surprised if he develops into a centre half at all. He looks far better in midfield to me, especially at a weaker team.
Damn you Mourinho. If you also sell Fellaini and Rojo, I won't have anyone to bitch about. We would actually have a team were everyone would be able to play football
Rooney?
Mcnair will make a decent RB/CDM utility player for any PL team.
I'm sure you'll find someone
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