Summer Transfers

devilish said:
SAF said that he's going on loan and honestly...it makes sense. With Evra growing old we would soon need someone to cover/compete with him for a first team place. Fabio cant do that by simply play football at reserves level. He will also have to prove that he's not a sick note.
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If he is being loaned out it means we have another Left Back coming in, otherwise one season long injury to Evra and we are screwed. If we have another Left Back coming in Fabio's future doesn't look as rosy.

Needless to say this isn't sitting pretty with me. Personally I would rather Evra play 50% of the matches he is and give Fabio game time, but if Sir Alex thinks Fabio some time away from his brother so be it.
 
devilish said:
Someone still believe in what Gill says? :lol:
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There's bound to some activity. How significant we don't know! Anyway, Gill always comes out with these statements around season tickets renewal time.
 
rcoobc said:
If he is being loaned out it means we have another Left Back coming in, otherwise one season long injury to Evra and we are screwed. If we have another Left Back coming in Fabio's future doesn't look as rosy.

Needless to say this isn't sitting pretty with me. Personally I would rather Evra play 50% of the matches he is and give Fabio game time, but if Sir Alex thinks Fabio some time away from his brother so be it.
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As i see it, SAF wants a natural left footer on the left flank seeing as both nani and young cut in. Evra gives us that width down the left which fabio wont. That is the only reason i can think of as he's ready imo to compete with evra for the slot.
 
RDCR07 said:
If Fabio isn't ready to be backup then I think Fryers isn't ready. I think one of the positions we will be looking into this summer for reinforcements is the left back position.
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What would you make think we don't fancy Fabio is ready to be backup?
 
Ekeke said:
Yeah I read this and I'm just going along with Clyne and Butland being the English players we've been linked to recently. Butland looks a really good young talent and wouldnt need to be registered. But it would only really make sense to take him if Amos wasnt here next season.
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No way we're going for Butland. Much more likely we make Johnstone 3rd choice than that.
 
rcoobc said:
If he is being loaned out it means we have another Left Back coming in, otherwise one season long injury to Evra and we are screwed. If we have another Left Back coming in Fabio's future doesn't look as rosy.

Needless to say this isn't sitting pretty with me. Personally I would rather Evra play 50% of the matches he is and give Fabio game time, but if Sir Alex thinks Fabio some time away from his brother so be it.
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I'm pretty sure it's not out of the realm of possibility we have a recall clause in his loan contract if Evra's out for a long period. It's that for some reason Fergie sees Evra as consistently doing well. If so, why mess with that just to give Fabio games if he's not going to outperform Evra to take his spot, then that leaves Fabio's development lacking. I'm sure he was going to get games this season but his injuries and Evra's consistently being available prevented that. Makes sense to send him out somewhere he's guaranteed to start every game and gain match experience and hopefully overcome his fitness issues.

Varun_Utd said:
As i see it, SAF wants a natural left footer on the left flank seeing as both nani and young cut in. Evra gives us that width down the left which fabio wont. That is the only reason i can think of as he's ready imo to compete with evra for the slot.
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Think whether Fabio is left footed or not is irrelevant if he's good enough. You may think he's ready but you're not the one seeing him in training everyday.
 
Amar__ said:
This proves he can't compete with the likes of Diarra, Khedira, Granero or even Coentrao, therefore I don't see how will he compete with Anderson, Cleverley, Scholes, Giggs, or Fletcher.
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Easy, because he offers way more than they do. Anderson is never fit, neither is Cleverley. Giggs is nearly fecking 40 and has had a shocker for the majority of this season, Scholes will probably retire again imo, and Fletcher has a major fitness concern still.

So out of those you have mentioned basically any midfielder we sign of any quality, will easily compete with our current midfield due to age, inconsistency and injury problems.

One thing to remember with Mourinho, he likes players to play a certain way and do a particular job for the team, Sahin's face or style may just not fit.Would hardly be the first time talented players have been left out because they don't fit Jose's style, but don't let that fool you into thinking he is not a fabulous player.

Some players fail at RM, though it is not always a reflection of their talent. Remember how Sneijder, Robben and VDV fared at Madrid, and then recall how much better they were once they left.
Occasionally you can grab an absolute bargain from Madrid, because a player just doesn't fit in there. Sahin is world class and personally i cannot think of a better all round midfielder who we could sign for less than £20m.

He could cover for either Carrick or for Scholes, or play alongside either of them. I agree completely with Adam, Sahin would be absolutely perfect for us and would probably be available fairly cheap. An absolute no brainer for me should the chance arise.
 
devilish said:
De Gea, Lindegaard, Amos, Kuszczak
Rafael, Smalling, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evans, Evra, Fabio, De Laet
Nani, Valencia, Young, Giggs, Bebe
Carrick, Anderson, Park, Cleverley, Scholes, Fletcher,
Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck, Berbatov, Owen



Bold black = leaving
Bold Blue = loan
Bold Green = they may end up leaving
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How much can we expect to fetch for these guys? £15-20m perhaps?

We definitely need to freshen up for Europe. With 2-3 top signings we can be on or close to Real, Bayern's level IMO. 2 Bilbao boys and a player like Hazard would do nicely. That guy is pure class.

With our very low net spend in the past five years we should really have quite a sizable kitty this season, based on the Glazer's transfer expenditure forecasts. Certainly enough to buy two top midfielders and a left back. Probablycompletely wrong though...
 
KingMinger22 said:
How much can we expect to fetch for these guys? £15-20m perhaps?

We definitely need to freshen up for Europe. With 2-3 top signings we can be on or close to Real, Bayern's level IMO. 2 Bilbao boys and a player like Hazard would do nicely. That guy is pure class.

With our very low net spend in the past five years we should really have quite a sizable kitty this season, based on the Glazer's transfer expenditure forecasts. Certainly enough to buy two top midfielders and a left back. Probablycompletely wrong though...
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You are more interested in transfers than football, Minger!?
 
The way I see it, Fabio going out on loan, we'll get another specialized full-back in. I'm not entirely sure I agree about doing this.

Also, Ferguson surely has to find that midfielder who'll give us a realiable quality option alongside Carrick.

Other than that, I don't think we'll do too much - perhaps a creative player, an attacking midfielder of some sorts, but Ferguson doesn't seem to favour that sort of player.
 
marjen said:
The way I see it, Fabio going out on loan, we'll get another specialized full-back in. I'm not entirely sure I agree about doing this.

Also, Ferguson surely has to find that midfielder who'll give us a realiable quality option alongside Carrick.

Other than that, I don't think we'll do too much - perhaps a creative player, an attacking midfielder of some sorts, but Ferguson doesn't seem to favour that sort of player.
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Well you've sort of described Hazard so I don't know about that.
 
rcoobc said:
If he is being loaned out it means we have another Left Back coming in, otherwise one season long injury to Evra and we are screwed. If we have another Left Back coming in Fabio's future doesn't look as rosy.

Needless to say this isn't sitting pretty with me. Personally I would rather Evra play 50% of the matches he is and give Fabio game time, but if Sir Alex thinks Fabio some time away from his brother so be it.
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2 yrs from now Evra will be 32 heading towards 33. By then the time will be ripe for Fabio to return and try to claim his rightful place. Dont forget that Fabio can play on both rear flanks and as a winger. Someone who is so versatile will definately be needed at United IF he can prove that he can stay away from the treatment room for good.
 
Cina said:
Well you've sort of described Hazard so I don't know about that.
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What are you on about?

There's nothing to suggest we're particularly interested in Hazard, and historically SAF's never utilized that sort of player.

Our creative playmaker is the deep striker, Wayne Rooney.
 
marjen said:
Come on, we're linked with a million players like that every year.

What I'm saying is that SAF's never signed that sort of player, and there's nothing to suggest he'll sign a player like Hazard and change the system he so clearly favours in order to push Rooney higher up the pitch.
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Erm no, what you're saying is that we have no interest in him. Clearly bullshit. BBC article and him going to see him play? Ok marjen.
 
Cina said:
:lol: I'm arguing this.



You were clearly wrong. You're being the arse by not admitting to it. Don't make a comment if you're not willing to discuss it.
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I don't think a generic transfer rumour, or Ferguson attending a match, is anywhere near suggesting we're interested in a particular player.

Rumours were saying we certainly had signed Torres at one point. They don't mean squat. In judging whether or not this particular rumour has legs, let me just repeat that Ferguson has never signed that sort of player, I think he sees it as somewhat of a waste of a player.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but the things we know tells me Ferguson won't sign a player who'll require us to change our system to fit them in.
 
marjen said:
I don't think a generic transfer rumour, or Ferguson attending a match, is anywhere near suggesting we're interested in a particular player.

Rumours were saying we certainly had signed Torres at one point. They don't mean squat. In judging whether or not this particular rumour has legs, let me just repeat that Ferguson has never signed that sort of player, I think he sees it as somewhat of a waste of a player.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but the things we know tells me Ferguson won't sign a player who'll require us to change our system to fit them in.
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That's some serious analysis there.
 
marjen said:
I don't think a generic transfer rumour, or Ferguson attending a match, is anywhere near suggesting we're interested in a particular player.

Rumours were saying we certainly had signed Torres at one point. They don't mean squat. In judging whether or not this particular rumour has legs, let me just repeat that Ferguson has never signed that sort of player, I think he sees it as somewhat of a waste of a player.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but the things we know tells me Ferguson won't sign a player who'll require us to change our system to fit them in.
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He went to a match to watch him play.
 
Ferguson was ther to watch Hazard. Melunstein or whatever he's called confirmed it.
 
I've got a feeling in my water that a Hazard deal is already in place.

Of course my water is historically unreliable. It once told me that Magnus Eikrem had a decent chance of replacing Scholes - 9 months later he was sold :rolleyes:

Nonetheless, I persist in believing that Hazard is bound for Old Trafford.
 
Wouldnt mind Cabaye here at all. Very good player. They'd overprice the shit out of him though.
 
Cina said:
To-may-to tom-ah-to.
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Nah, Minger always talks about big names and his disapointment in us never signing top players.

I think our success over the last couple of decades shows that it is all about signing the right players, not the so-called top players.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Nah, Minger always talks about big names and his disapointment in us never signing top players.

I think our success over the last couple of decades shows that it is all about signing the right players, not the so-called top players.
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We're the worlds biggest club, why shouldn't we? Generally we sign players who go on to (or can go on to be) be top players, Carrick, Valencia, Smalling, Jones, DDG, Nani etc. Hazard and Martinez certainly fit into that bracket.
 
Cina said:
We're the worlds biggest club, why shouldn't we? Generally we sign players who go on to (or can go on to be) be top players, Carrick, Valencia, Smalling, Jones, DDG, Nani etc. Hazard and Martinez certainly fit into that bracket.
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Because United has alaways been about making stars, not buying stars.
 
If we just signed Lucas Moura and no one else in the summer I would be more than made up. The lads is young but his skills are unelievable.
 
Haines for £5m would be a bargain and would work well for us with the fabio - the two could rotate easily and fabio can also cover at RB so should get enough gametime, and baines would be fantastic cover for evra next season if fabio goes on loan.


Can't see baines going that cheap though
 
Varun_Utd said:
Wouldnt mind Cabaye here at all. Very good player. They'd overprice the shit out of him though.
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Thing is Varun, every club knows we are in the market for players so everyone we try to sign will be overpriced. Not a lot we can do about that, as Minger says we have not spent much really over the past 4 or 5 years for a club of our stature, so we may just have to bite the bullet and pay a bit more than would be ideal.

Fergie decided against doing that last year, and we paid a heavy price in Europe. I don't think he will make the same mistake this summer. After all transfer kitties are only a means to an end, they are of no real benefit stuck in a bank somewhere. They are only of any worth once they have been used to strengthen the team.
 
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