Summer Transfer Tweets 2016

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Devil may care said:
It's funny to me how the same ones that shit on Stones every week are all excited about Bailly, an equally young, raw and error prone CB who will also disrupt the back 4 when he goes off for 5 weeks in the middle of the season for the ACON.
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Personally think Stones is better than Baily when all things are considered. People will get to see this next season.Defense is not where you expect a young player to be ready from the get go.
I saw Bailly in the last nations cup and he didn't strike me as someone who is a top defender.people will get to see this next season,he is mostly physical attributes and pairing him with Smalling is disaster waiting to happen.The cafe will jump on you and harras you if you question the special ones decision as he is the all knowing but we shall see.
Some crap stuff like a defender is primarily there to defend, I call it nonsense as you will come to see that most top teams in europe have defenders with good technical abilities.
If a defender is primarily there to defend while then do you need the whole team e.g the Wide forward to defend and midfielders and attackers to put a defensive shift.Why not everybody concentrate on his job?
Football has evolved and ball playing defenders are becoming more important component of a top team,full backs must be as good defensively as they are attacking, the game has changed!
 
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Devil may care said:
They are still both error prone and Stones was coming off a summer of turmoil, the bottom line is both are young and have raw aspects to their games, but the double standards for the English player is clear.
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Bailly though had very good games against the best teams so much that Madrid fans are happy that he is leaving their league. Stones barely played well against Chelsea. He is raw but he is nothing on stones who was disastrous and kept losing the ball in dangerous areas trying to dribble.
 
Damien said:
Stones is at 89% success to Bailly's 77%. Not surprising there given the nature of both.

Fairly even overall, though Stones has led to 3 goals being conceded to Bailly's 1.
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That's after a pretty poor season on Stones' part though. Slightly surprised Bailly isn't a bit further ahead, not that it matters too much.
 
Ijazz17 said:
If this is true, Mourinho and Woody are a pair of Geniuses. :drool:. Please be true. He would be ideal for the right wing.
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We lack goalscorers, if the right winger we're after isn't a prolific scorer where do you accept the goals to come from. It's not even a guarantee Ibrahimovic will score loads. Saying that I don't know anything about Embola.
 
Damien said:
Stones is at 89% success to Bailly's 77%. Not surprising there given the nature of both.

Fairly even overall, though Stones has led to 3 goals being conceded to Bailly's 1.
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We will just have to hope Jose has made the right choice. If he has we have a CB for years, if not then it might be bad.
 
Martial'sgaze said:
Personally think Stones is better than Baily when all things are considered. People will get to see this next season.Defense is not where you expect a young player to be ready from the get go.
I saw Bailly in the last nations cup and he didn't strike me as someone who is a top defender.people will get to see this next season,he is mostly physical attributes and pairing him with Smalling is disaster waiting to happen.The cafe will jump on you and Harris you if you question the special ones decision as he is the all knowing but we shall see.
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This is why I was hoping we plan to use Bailly as a RB as I think Smalling needs an opposite to compliment him.

Damien said:
Stones is at 89% success to Bailly's 77%. Not surprising there given the nature of both.
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I was just curious as Smalling is pretty poor on the ball and while some don't care I do like at least one of the CB's to be able to use it effectively at times rather than a CM having to come and get it short off them all the time.
 
Twigg said:
To be fair, silly season is only just beginning.

Also we had one or two more Twitter machines last year, I think.
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I know. But with the euros knocking out the next few weeks for a fair few i was hoping for one or teo more in before it started.

Will have to make do with england winning the euros until the fun starts again! :drool:
 
Damien said:
Stones is at 89% success to Bailly's 77%. Not surprising there given the nature of both.

Fairly even overall, though Stones has led to 3 goals being conceded to Bailly's 1.
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Oh seems reasonable though I could have sworn stones has more goals conceded.
 
prath92 said:
Bailly though had very good games against the best teams so much that Madrid fans are happy that he is leaving their league. Stones barely played well against Chelsea. He is raw but he is nothing on stones who was disastrous and kept losing the ball in dangerous areas trying to dribble.
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Stones had a superb performance against Liverpool at Anfield in the derby the season before, inconsistency in young players is common, as is the odd game here and there where the picture of what they can become shines through and they have a worldie. Both are very young for CB's to be judged in particular, I just feel Stones is ridiculously shit on, on the Caf because he's English.
 
sullydnl said:
That's after a pretty poor season on Stones' part though. Slightly surprised Bailly isn't a bit further ahead, not that it matters too much.
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Stones seems to get caught on the ball and I am sure the weakness Laporte has, according to whoscored, was something along the same lines. It might actually be hairy for City fans for a while.
 
Klopper76 said:
No not really but it would have been interesting to see how he would have done with Klopp in charge. I've always felt that he'd thrive in a central attacking midfield role.
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Indeed, but you can't complain about Firmino. He was fantastic.

Maybe Sterling realises now that he made the wrong move. But this is a discussion for another thread though.
 
Why would Everton sell when Koeman arrived?

I swear there were reports they going to give him a new contract today.
 
Of everything I have read about Bailly, having Stones level of idiocy hasn't been mentioned.
 
£20m for Troy Deeney. Fecking hell. Both clubs have more money than sense.
 
Bugshot said:
We lack goalscorers, if the right winger we're after isn't a prolific scorer where do you accept the goals to come from. It's not even a guarantee Ibrahimovic will score loads. Saying that I don't know anything about Embola.
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I'm quite surprised that we are being linked with Embolo. He's still young and this season was his break out season. He needs to be given more time to develop before he goes to a top club.

I'm firmly in the "Mane camp" when it comes to our RW. He's been quite consistent over two seasons (has goals in double digits in 2/2 premier league seasons), can play anywhere across the front (7/11/10 or even false 9 IMO) and I think he would fit well with Martial Ibra/Rashford.
 
Vanya said:
I'm quite surprised that we are being linked with Embolo. He's still young and this season was his break out season. He needs to be given more time to develop before he goes to a top club.

I'm firmly in the "Mane camp" when it comes to our RW. He's been quite consistent over two seasons (has goals in double digits in 2/2 premier league seasons), can play anywhere across the front (7/11/10 or even false 9 IMO) and I think he would fit well with Martial Ibra/Rashford.
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This morning they were saying on the radio Mane was going to stay, that it was Pelle and Wanyama who wanted out.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
This morning they were saying on the radio Mane was going to stay, that it was Pelle and Wanyama who wanted out.
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I think he was sulking during the winter window and right after. I would find it strange if he doesn't move, unless the big clubs have been put off by his attitude in recent months.
 
I still feel that Jose will get another pure DM \ destroyer type midfield player. I am not sure he views Schneiderlin as one. In every club he has been previously he has always deployed a "destroyer" type DM.

Wouldn't see it as unlikely us going in for Krychowiak sooner or later. I really like that Danilo Pereira from Porto and the Portugal national squad though, but Jose specified that he won't be going for anyone from the portugese league.

Also you got Fabinho from Monaco that is both a RB and DM, he plays pretty much as a destroyer in DM, but a highly attacking RB. He played 29 matches as a RB and 18 as a DM last year.

Considering that Darmian hasn't exactly set the world alight as our RB, Valencia is a winger and getting on quite a bit age-wise (great fitness still though) Fabinho wouldn't be a stupid bet as a utillity player \ DM.
 
Bugshot said:
We lack goalscorers, if the right winger we're after isn't a prolific scorer where do you accept the goals to come from. It's not even a guarantee Ibrahimovic will score loads. Saying that I don't know anything about Embola.
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The thing is the RW doesn't just need to be a goal scorer really. He needs to be a creator as well. We had so many problems in the last few seasons with the final ball or the penultimate ball. Contributions from the right wing were almost non-existent. Guys like Embolo, Martial with their directness are a straightforward solution to that. Also that said, Embolo is both. He's very raw though and highly inconsistent at the moment, so if this transfer happens, it's definitely a risky one. He's often gone missing in EL games this season but been very explosive in moments as well. He's also a very Mourinho like player for the Right wing. He's fast, powerful, does his defensive duties diligently. Just like Renato Sanches, he's got bags of potential. Just have to wait and see how he develops. I'm not expecting Ballon D'or levels or anything, but he will be really brilliant if he full-fills that potential.

If Ibra comes, I think he's going to score goals when he is surrounded by so much pace. It was a system that worked to marvellous effect at PSG last season. He may not score that many goals, but there won't be a worry that he will struggle imo.
 
Martial'sgaze said:
Personally think Stones is better than Baily when all things are considered. People will get to see this next season.Defense is not where you expect a young player to be ready from the get go.
I saw Bailly in the last nations cup and he didn't strike me as someone who is a top defender.people will get to see this next season,he is mostly physical attributes and pairing him with Smalling is disaster waiting to happen.The cafe will jump on you and harras you if you question the special ones decision as he is the all knowing but we shall see.
Some crap stuff like a defender is primarily there to defend, I call it nonsense as you will come to see that most top teams in europe have defenders with good technical abilities.
If a defender is primarily there to defend while then do you need the whole team e.g the Wide forward to defend and midfielders and attackers to put a defensive shift.Why not everybody concentrate on his job?
Football has evolved and ball playing defenders are becoming more important component of a top team,full backs must be as good defensively as they are attacking, the game has changed!
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As you mention - young defenders are not good from the get go and need time to develop. Stones has been given time and has been eased into the team - getting 13 games in the 2013/14, 23 in 2014/15 and now 33 games this season. Yet this season was probably his worst so far. You can never predict how it's going to go. Bailey could have a great season, his physicality could be perfect for the league while Stones and Guardiolas passing from the back philosophy might go awry, you never know.

I see where you're coming from when you mention Smalling and Bailly as a disaster waiting to happen since both are physically strong and athletic but might not necessarily be intelligent defenders. The same could have been thought of Morgan and Huth who nobody in their right minds would imagine as a good pairing. But their physicality has been a huge asset. I share the same reservations you do but I still think that every partnership cannot be a match of Rio and Vida i.e. A marriage of brain and brawn. With time, it's possible that Smalling and Bailly who could be similar type of physical defenders, might end up forming a good partnership. What I'm trying to say is that the future of neither Stones nor Bailly is a foregone conclusion but you're making it sound like it is.
 
Vanya said:
As you mention - young defenders are not good from the get go and need time to develop. Stones has been given time and has been eased into the team - getting 13 games in the 2013/14, 23 in 2014/15 and now 33 games this season. Yet this season was probably his worst so far. You can never predict how it's going to go. Bailey could have a great season, his physicality could be perfect for the league while Stones and Guardiolas passing from the back philosophy might go awry, you never know.

I see where you're coming from when you mention Smalling and Bailly as a disaster waiting to happen since both are physically strong and athletic but might not necessarily be intelligent defenders. The same could have been thought of Morgan and Huth who nobody in their right minds would imagine as a good pairing. But their physicality has been a huge asset. I share the same reservations you do but I still think that every partnership cannot be a match of Rio and Vida i.e. A marriage of brain and brawn. With time, it's possible that Smalling and Bailly who could be similar type of physical defenders, might end up forming a good partnership. What I'm trying to say is that the future of neither Stones nor Bailly is a foregone conclusion but you're making it sound like it is.
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The point am actually making is that technical ability and ability to play from the back is very imperative in modern football,in fact it is as important as defending.It helps your team counter very quickly. Athletico Madrid are very notorious for that,Felipe,Godin and Juan Fran are very good at it.
We can't afford to be playing both Smalling and Bailly as teams are beginning to press from the front with greater effect in the epl.
 
Devil may care said:
This is why I was hoping we plan to use Bailly as a RB as I think Smalling needs an opposite to compliment him.



I was just curious as Smalling is pretty poor on the ball and while some don't care I do like at least one of the CB's to be able to use it effectively at times rather than a CM having to come and get it short off them all the time.
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Agree with this. I feel that Smalling is defensively amazing but he's very poor technically with the ball at his feet. So for me we still need a CB that is comfortable with the ball, otherwise if the CM are marked the CB's would just aimlessly boot the ball away more often than not. Where Blind being amazing on the ball is the main reason why United had a solid CB pairing last season as Smalling and Blind complimented each other.

However, with regards to Stones I don't feel he's worth anywhere near what Everton would ask for. Laporte would be a much better fit and he's imo a considerably better CB. If we were to compare Stones with say Ferdinand apart from both being very comfortable on the ball, Ferdinand was a very good defender and when he was younger he was a lot faster than Stones. Stones based on this season is very suspect when defending and has made a fair few costly errors when in possession. In fact, he wasn't even in the first team for large periods of this season due to these errors. All in all, United not getting Stones in the short term is not a big loss. However, it's hard to say in the long run whether it will be as it's difficult to predict how far Stones will progress. But based on this season, it looks like there are quite a few other CB's in the world that are a better buy and fit for United.
 
If it's Stones from last season, bad move. If it's the Stones from 2014/2015 then he's surely worth it. Guardiola type of player too.
 
SwansonsTache said:
I still feel that Jose will get another pure DM \ destroyer type midfield player. I am not sure he views Schneiderlin as one. In every club he has been previously he has always deployed a "destroyer" type DM.

Wouldn't see it as unlikely us going in for Krychowiak sooner or later. I really like that Danilo Pereira from Porto and the Portugal national squad though, but Jose specified that he won't be going for anyone from the portugese league.

Also you got Fabinho from Monaco that is both a RB and DM, he plays pretty much as a destroyer in DM, but a highly attacking RB. He played 29 matches as a RB and 18 as a DM last year.

Considering that Darmian hasn't exactly set the world alight as our RB, Valencia is a winger and getting on quite a bit age-wise (great fitness still though) Fabinho wouldn't be a stupid bet as a utillity player \ DM.
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His Madrid team played against a destroyer in the middle for the opposition he's the manager now.

But the destroyer destroys himself or the team mates more often than the opposition.:(
 
Martial'sgaze said:
The point am actually making is that technical ability and ability to play from the back is very imperative in modern football,in fact it is as important as defending.It helps your team counter very quickly. Athletico Madrid are very notorious for that,Felipe,Godin and Juan Fran are very good at it.
We can't afford to be playing both Smalling and Bailly as teams are beginning to press from the front with greater effect in the epl.
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Yeah I agree it is important but it's not as important as you're saying it is. It completely depends on the playing philosophy and style. You gave the example of atletico and Godin. Godin is a much much better defender than Stones (presently) and his passing % is only 1% better than Bailly's. It's The midfield in conjunction with Luis or Juanfran that brings the ball up for them. Why can't it be same for us. Basically if the passing capabilities of our CBs do not match with that of Hummels and Bonucci it's not a huge problem. They should keep the goals out, the rest of the team can figure out how to help them bring the ball forward, I'm sure they aren't absolutely mugs with the ball at their feet. On the other hand if our system forces them to pass the ball out in tight spaces then yes you are right we are in for some trouble. But Im sure Mourinho will work to the strengths of his players.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
City's director of football is Spanish, as is their manager. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

I also think Stones is the sort of CB Pep would love (probably sees him as a Pique type).
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Ric, the Bluemoon owner, posted to say he's been told the journalist is well connected with the Spanish contingent at City so seems you're right. The media has for some time been reporting that Guardiola has always wanted Laporte and Stones. Mangala must be leaving, and suggests Denayer is either leaving on loan again or will compete as a RB.
 
Red Viking said:
It isnt too early as he aint very good on the ball... he cant run with it or dribble very well nor do he posses an great passing range and he dosnt do through balls very well either so this rules him out as any decent attacking outlet in MF that wants to actually challenge for PL + CL as you actually need high skills to do that. He does runs a lot but that it isnt enough to do well in Midfield for a club of this size. Rooney seems very popular and is the biggest english name and in england this seems more important than actual suitability and skill set when selected for the national team. For years English managers have tried to get midfielders like Gerrard and Lampard into a midfield 2 rather than build a mf duo that actually compliments each other. The English national team have been average for years and this wont change as long the mentality stays the same. LvG thought he could use Rooney there and guess what ? he lost hes job as he underperformed bigtime so not the man id trust when it comes to building our future team and its setup.
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There are a lot Rooney-haters on this forum. Maybe you're one of them. I watched him against Crystal Palace in the FA Cup Final and he displayed a range of passing from short to long; from the simple to defence splitting. Rooney can't dribble? He did a fine job of going past four Palace players before cutting back for Mata's goal. You may or may not rate Palace but last season they played against the best in the Premiership and gave a good account of themselves and a midfield of Carrick and Rooney did a decent enough job.

I accept that converting a striker into a midfield player late in the season when we really needed to win games to get into the CL was important but that's was the manager's decision.

To imply that LVG lost his job because of his decision to move Rooney into midfield is nonsense. LVG lost his job for other, more profound reasons.

I don’t want to extend this point further by discussing Gerrard and Lampard except to says they were highly rated players in their prime.
 
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