Summer Transfer Budget?

[Cassidy]

Who were the rivals that didn't reduce their spending in comparison to us after we finished second?

In the last 4/5 years Liverpool have only really spent big money on Nunez (A flop!) and Szoboslai. The rest of their signings have been around the £35/40m mark.

I agree that being scared to spend money is not the answer, but how much, and who we sign is very important.

How can you possibly say "The less money we spend the more years it will take too" when spending huge amounts of money is what got us in this mess in the first place!

Spending a small sensible sustainable amount is the way forward.

Yes and they made a lot of them, including one which we refused to do in a Jan window by the way.

Spending money poorly is what got us in this mess, not spending alot.

 

[Zed 101]

I think we will spend around EUR200m with more than half of it coming from sales. This would be similar to what we did in 2024. Hopefully, we will reduce our wage bill at this summer.

Rashford - 40m
Zirkzee - 40m
Antony - 25m
Malacia - 5m
Some mix of youth players) - 15m
Sancho - 25m

Will look to also sell Casemiro, Shaw, Mount but unlikely to find takers.

Problem with this is in the summer we will still have £34m for Antony on the books so even if we manage to sell for £25m we will be (inevitably making a loss) , Sancho will still be £14.6m on the books, so the 2 players together will be practically net zero.

Not sure anyone is paying anywhere near £40m for Zirkzee, sure he was brilliant at Bologna and may go back to Italy and excel but teams will know it hasn't worked here, his performances have not been stellar, they are certainly going to try and screw us, added in he is on £105k per week, which narrows the pool of clubs, or we will end up paying him off to leave. I think it more likely we will sell for £25m rising with addons and probably have to pay him a couple of mil to compensate dropping his salary, that still leaves £32m for him on our books, again at best bet zero but maybe a small loss.

Malacia around £6m left on the books, so again £5m is around net zero.

Add in Casemiro who we will need to sell for £17.5m to break even, and Mason Mount who we would need to sell for £36m to break even, Shaw would be pure profit if he could be sold.

The outstanding cost of the player is deducted at the point of sale so the only players we making money on are youngsters and Rashford, IF he actually plays well enough to attract interest in the summer from somebody willing to meet his wage demands.

So in your example above we would be making probably £55m profit (and maybe less with losses as above) not £100m

That is not a disaster as we would have cleared our books down, shifted a lot of wages (around £93m over the remainder of the contracts) and some £85.6m+ in player debt off our books, more if we sell Case and/or Mount

The £55m would allow us to amortise the cost up to £275m (not accounting for agents fees and wages)

So I think it more likely we will spend somewhere in the region of £150m, Gyokeres, Quenda and maybe Ignacio, maybe a kid or 2 as well, I cannot see us spending £70+ on players like Cunha where other clubs will price us out

I can see us buying from Sporting because the players will want to come because of Amorim, I am less wary of this than I was with ETH buying players he knew, because I believe that INEOS will have oversight and will not buy players that do not make sense financially or based on scouting reports.

 

[Von Mistelroum]

I don't think anyone is buying Rashford. Wages are too high and he's on a Jesse Lingard trajectory.

Antony might be sold, probably around £20m and I think Brexit Jim will be hawking Garnacho and Mainoo around Europe.

Malacia might bring in a few million, and Casemiro might fetch a small fee.

I expect that we'll sell at least one of Garnacho or Mainoo, so let's say that, combined with Malacia and Antony might bring in around £90-100m.

I think Jim will want to limit spending, so that some of the recouped money can be diverted to other parts of the club, so I think we spend maybe £70m.

If we can also shift some dead weight like Zirkzee or Dalot, then maybe closer to £100m.

 

[JE-365]

This season, we paid:
Lindelof wages: £120k (6.24m)
Eriksen wages: £150k (7.8m)
Sancho wages: £150k (7.8m)
Evans wages: £65k (3.38m)
Heaton wages: £45k (2.34m)

5 of these players are guaranteed leaving. That’s total of freeing £27.56m per year money from our book, which equivalent to £137.8m transfer fees.

If we sell:
Casemiro for at least £14.75m (our remaining book to pay to Real Madrid is £14.75m). 350k pw wages
Antony going out loan again because I doubt Betis can even afford £38m to sign Antony, so he’s probably going on loan again.
Rashford for at least £40m (use the fees to pay off our remaining book on Antony £38m). 300k pw wages

That’s total of freeing £650k worth of wages, which equivalent to £600k worth of wages plus £15m transfer fees.

So what I think is probably be £152.8m (£137.8 + £15m) and £600k worth of wages.

£153m with £600k worth of wages can give us 3 starting XI players:
We definitely need top striker so if we spend it on Osimhen who has £63m released clause (€75m), it will give us £90m left to spend on 2 more players. I believe if we get it right, 3 very good signings could transform the team back to top 4 challengers.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Problem with this is in the summer we will still have £34m for Antony on the books so even if we manage to sell for £25m we will be (inevitably making a loss) , Sancho will still be £14.6m on the books, so the 2 players together will be practically net zero.

Not sure anyone is paying anywhere near £40m for Zirkzee, sure he was brilliant at Bologna and may go back to Italy and excel but teams will know it hasn't worked here, his performances have not been stellar, they are certainly going to try and screw us, added in he is on £105k per week, which narrows the pool of clubs, or we will end up paying him off to leave. I think it more likely we will sell for £25m rising with addons and probably have to pay him a couple of mil to compensate dropping his salary, that still leaves £32m for him on our books, again at best bet zero but maybe a small loss.

Malacia around £6m left on the books, so again £5m is around net zero.

Add in Casemiro who we will need to sell for £17.5m to break even, and Mason Mount who we would need to sell for £36m to break even, Shaw would be pure profit if he could be sold.

The outstanding cost of the player is deducted at the point of sale so the only players we making money on are youngsters and Rashford, IF he actually plays well enough to attract interest in the summer from somebody willing to meet his wage demands.

So in your example above we would be making probably £55m profit (and maybe less with losses as above) not £100m

That is not a disaster as we would have cleared our books down, shifted a lot of wages (around £93m over the remainder of the contracts) and some £85.6m+ in player debt off our books, more if we sell Case and/or Mount

The £55m would allow us to amortise the cost up to £275m (not accounting for agents fees and wages)

So I think it more likely we will spend somewhere in the region of £150m, Gyokeres, Quenda and maybe Ignacio, maybe a kid or 2 as well, I cannot see us spending £70+ on players like Cunha where other clubs will price us out

I can see us buying from Sporting because the players will want to come because of Amorim, I am less wary of this than I was with ETH buying players he knew, because I believe that INEOS will have oversight and will not buy players that do not make sense financially or based on scouting reports.

With the book value figures, you're failing to take into account the fact that if we keep the players in question next season, we're committing to an extra year of amortization and wages.

Therefore, the relevant figures for PSR breakeven purposes need to be net of that year of amortization and wages - meaning the actual breakeven amount is much lower than the figures you've shown above.