Yeah, the villain is basically what screws the film up for me. Not just because she's crap and the actress is crap, but because the main antagonist should be Waller, and what they're being sent to do shouldn't be the run-of-the-mill superhero "do this or the world ends" CGI bollards.
Film Suicide Squad (2016)
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Yeah, I actually let my hopes up a bit at the halfway point when they "rescued" Wallers and her true motives were shown. Made me think the weird alien things had been decoys and Waller would be the main villain, until it reverted to what had happened before. I get that people want to think this was only a mess because it was tampered with, but even with the cut bits in it would've still been a bit of a mess.
I'm with you mate, I much prefer the darker style of the DC universe - but they just haven't managed to produce a convincing movie as yet. I enjoyed BvS much more than most people.
The problem with having Superhero movies is that we all know at the end of the day they will prevail. The DC world should really take the movies further into the darker direction to contact with DC, but I imagine they will get a little more watered down (as like you said) after the BvS reviews.
Yeah that was unbelievable, they literally show her murdering her own team in cold blood. Surely a major turning point! Oh no, you just make Will Smith say it's gangster and revert to type. FFS!
Of those deleted scenes, the only bits I can really see as having improved things would've been the Killer Croc history, given that you were left wondering in the end why he was even there.
The more I think about this film, the worse it gets to be honest. I should probably just stop!
Killer croc on land = just hire a WWF/MMA fighter
Deadshot = bring 1 squad of SEAL who's good at weapon (amazing that the same bullets from deadshot can kill mutants but catridges of seal squad weapon can't. They're basically both are human made weapon)
Inferno dude = Napalm? Hell Fire?
Ice climber dude = wtf? You need a special meta human just to climb building? What about elevator?
Harley Queen = armed with a wooden bat, but somehow she's more badass than a navy seal. It's a wooden bat ffs
Captain Boomerang = so a boomerang is more deadly than an M16, the whole US arsenal
amazing, it would have been ace if it's a parody
Deadshot = bring 1 squad of SEAL who's good at weapon (amazing that the same bullets from deadshot can kill mutants but catridges of seal squad weapon can't. They're basically both are human made weapon)
Inferno dude = Napalm? Hell Fire?
Ice climber dude = wtf? You need a special meta human just to climb building? What about elevator?
Harley Queen = armed with a wooden bat, but somehow she's more badass than a navy seal. It's a wooden bat ffs
Captain Boomerang = so a boomerang is more deadly than an M16, the whole US arsenal
amazing, it would have been ace if it's a parody
Harley Quinn was shit too. Robbie just rehashed her accent from Wolf of Wall Street and her quips were lame.
Unfortunately the film we saw in the cinema's is the studios/trailer parks version and not the directors versions. Apparently they got spooked by reaction to BvS and was scared the film wouldn't match up to the lighthearted trailers.... that trailer parks cut.
Hopefully they'll release a directors cut like BvS.
I quite liked Harley Quinn in this movie. She put that accent back on and off I think purposefully to show how bipolar crazy she is.
I don't understand why they waste their time hiring someone like David Ayer if they're just going to do whatever they want anyway. And doing this in response to the BvS reaction makes no sense. The director's cut of that makes it clear the theatrical cut was badly edited and meddled with. They're just repeating the same mistake again.
Warner Bros. are basically trying to kill DC it seems.
Why would you hire a WWE wrestler? To cut a promo at him?
The Croc says know your role and shut your mouth
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It's AdebisiI just call him Eko from Lost
Which highlights another major problem - the way they handle violence in the movie. I mean, I know most action/violent movies aren't going for some sort of anti-violence message, but most are able to sort of handle it in a way that shows the repercussions it has on the protagonist, or show the negative effects in some form.
This was almost pro-violence to a disturbing extent; the slow-mo kills shots and all that were obvious parts, but even the more subtle aspects highlighted it. Harley Quinn and the Joker were almost supposed to be this quirky couple when it's quite obviously an abusive relationship in which he's damaged her. The squad of villains, many of whom are brutally evil, are suddenly likable just cause they begin to get on with each other. I mean...what? I don't have a problem with a movie focusing on villains, but at least try not to pretend that them all teaming up together somehow makes them better people.
The triumphant moment was Will Smith convincing Diablo to kill again
The triumphant moment was Will Smith convincing Diablo to kill again
Pretty much.
I mean, again, I'm not looking for some social commentary on violence and its impact, but this just felt a bit too pro-violence. Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy had negative consequences for Batman at times caused by violence. Even something average like Man of Steel had the implications of violence upon Superman. This seemed to be completely cool with the protagonists all being murderous psychopaths, though, to the point where it was just joked about. They could've at least made the humour, if they wanted it there, a bit darker and less zany.
They are teaming up together for a good cause, right? After that cringeworthy bar scene, they volunteer to fight on...which is a good person act too. It has got pretty much the same plot as The Dirty Dozen (1967) with metahumans thrown in.
I do agree, Amanda Walker just out right killing innocent people just cos they knew too much, and it pretty much being brushed over like it was nothing made me laugh for the wrong reason.
TBH, that wasnt that bad. It was a "badguy" getting another "badguy who wants to be good" using his power to help them out of a situation with other "bad things trying to kill them".
The triumphant moment was Will Smith convincing Diablo to kill again
TBH, that wasnt that bad. It was a "badguy" getting another "badguy who wants to be good" using his power to help them out of a situation with other "bad things trying to kill them".
But...why? Why are there characters suddenly prompted to make such a change? They spend one night all briefly fighting alongside each other, yet despite mostly being cold-blooded monsters, are suddenly best mates with a conscience after a short while? It doesn't really make sense. This one night of tenuous alliance, forced upon them cause they die otherwise, somehow makes them better people, determined to take down the evil villain. Harley Quinn is happy to abandon them for the Joker, then helps them defeat the villain, yet then regresses by joining the Joker again at the end. I mean...what? There's no real motivation or reason to believe they're actually all mates or suddenly have a reason to become good other than the plot requiring it.
I agree with you that the overall movie was pretty shit. I did post my views in Movie Review thread too. Just saying that getting criminal together for good cause has been done many times before.
Yeah, true. The idea itself is a solid one, but the execution in this movie and the overall message/implication of it was really poorly done.
It was pretty gash. The only good part was Harley Quinn looking hot.
What a load of fecking shite. I was laughing at that witch doing her weird dancing at the end. Why does a super-powerful witch engage in a sword fight with a gang of nutters? The Aussie was terrible, why did Joker keep growling in between horrible over-acting? Why does a bomb kill the thingy that couldn't be touched by bullets?
So much shit.
So much shit.
Was
cameo in it decent? Or did it look like his involvement in future movies is going to be dire.
The Flash's
It was about 5 seconds and I was not impressed. I know nothing about the character but he looked stupid and said something cheesy.
That's pretty much his character, but the looking stupid part I was worried about. Guess I'll wait and see how it turns out. I read that his suit isn't the one he'll be using in his own film and that Batman gives him a new one in time for his own film so I guess we will see what happens.
He looked like a giant toy. More Iron Man than Deadpool. But maybe that's how it's supposed to be. You can see him in google images.
How did the woman with the bat fall out of an exploding helicopter crashing at high speed and just do a forward roll and come out unscathed?
Woman with the bat... come on now...
I actually liked it. I don't really expect a lot from superhero movies, apart from Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, and I felt it was sufficiently entertaining. It was better than the awful Avengers 2. Felt the music used in the movie made some scenes enjoyable. Thought the cast were good as well.
This was fecking awful. Much, much worse than Batman v Superman.
I thought it would at least be in the 'rubbish but fun' category but it wasn't... it was just so dull, cringeworthy, poorly executed and dull. Awful.
I thought it would at least be in the 'rubbish but fun' category but it wasn't... it was just so dull, cringeworthy, poorly executed and dull. Awful.
because she was too hot to be killed off
DC cannot cast for shite and to top it off they hire terrible directors.
Yeah, it was a very brief cameo. In fact, you could say he was there and gone in a flash.
Leto's Joker I understand Heath Ledger's joker is a hard act to follow, but that was shite, almost felt like a parody
I understand Heath Ledger's joker is a hard act to follow, but that was shite, almost felt like a parodyLeto's Joker
"Method acting"
"Oh he stayed in character the whole time. He even made us call Mr. J"
fecking awful Joker. Not even a fecking Joker, just a crazy fecker with green hair. He's like a violent riddler. And that laugh is fecking stupid and annoying. Gobshite missed an open goal with this role
And why is he so love sick for Harley?! He'd throw Harley under a bus for anything.
If the alleged list of deleted scenes are true then they changed the character in the reshoots to be far less abusive.