To be fair, you're not likely to get top 4 this year, even with Gnasher the Racist in your ranks. If you flog him to Arsenal for about 50 million I'm not sure how much he'd improve them, really. With that 50 million you could go a long way to improving your squad properly and getting the sort of talent throughout the team that means you have a solid base to build on to get back into the top 4. Giving Desperate Dan over to Arsenal shouldn't hinder that since he'll spend >50% of the time suspended anyway, especially given how many black players he'll be around at Arsenal. If you offload him and bring in a few solid buys (like Coutinho) you'll be less reliant on one arsehole who might leave or go on strike at any moment and you might actually be able to start something decent under Brenton. It's late on in the window I know but if there's a few targets lined up it might not be such a bad idea to dump him.
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To be fair, you're not likely to get top 4 this year, even with Gnasher the Racist in your ranks. If you flog him to Arsenal for about 50 million I'm not sure how much he'd improve them, really. With that 50 million you could go a long way to improving your squad properly and getting the sort of talent throughout the team that means you have a solid base to build on to get back into the top 4. Giving Desperate Dan over to Arsenal shouldn't hinder that since he'll spend >50% of the time suspended anyway, especially given how many black players he'll be around at Arsenal. If you offload him and bring in a few solid buys (like Coutinho) you'll be less reliant on one arsehole who might leave or go on strike at any moment and you might actually be able to start something decent under Brenton. It's late on in the window I know but if there's a few targets lined up it might not be such a bad idea to dump him.
Which principle in particular?
How do you know what happened with the Higuain 'deal'? Maybe he really wanted to go to Napoli.
At the end if the day, he's not a racist. I think we should all let that event go.
He might be a racist.
Odd declaration You have no idea.
And no, we should not let that event go anymore than we should let his two events of biting humans go. It all adds up to the sum of the man and it does not paint a flattering picture.
I can't see how Liverpool could sell him right now, with all the strong words that have just been said by them about not selling.
Is there anything wrong with having a bit of ambition? Should we just say 'aw feck it, not going to get top four anyway may as well cash in'. Our focal aim is to get back into the Champions League and we need to do everything in our power to strive for that, that said we are not a million miles away from Arsenal-there is nothing in the Arsenal squad that shows they are to be feared so I don't think trying to finish ahead of them is an overly unrealistic aim. Also we don't need the 50m as a means of urgency, we still have money to spend in the transfer window, our transfers this year have so far broke even with our sales so I think we still have around 30-40m to spend from what I recall reading.
As I said already, I believe the plan to keep Suarez is very much short term, it's too late in the window to find a replacement anyway. I'd imaghine Luis will put himself in the shop window this year- settle down. play well and behave ans we can sell him abroad either winter or next summer. I'm fed up with with Suarez I want him gone, however not to the detriment of our CL hopes.
Right. Not a racist, just someone who likes saying racist things to wind up black players. No one is saying he's Uruguay's answer to Tommy Robinson but for time saving purposes, the term racist perfectly sums up someone who abuses black players on the basis of their skin colour, despite whatever benefit of the doubt the FA and Evra provided him. Even many of your own fans have been using it to describe him in recent weeks. If the cap fits.
There were plenty both here and in the wider media who thought Suarez should've been banned for longer especially considering, for example, the length of ban for Cantona. Cantona was no hero for what he did but there's absolutely no doubt people like you and your fanbase would've loved him for it had it been Suarez with no racism previous. No point in denying it. And that's the huge hypocrisy in your argument.
It's a funny saga, they defended him beyond reason during all the trouble he had caused and he's repaying them by forcing a move to a side that they compete with for the 4th place, a side that isn't even that much better or more likely to win trophies than Liverpool while we're at it.
To be fair it goes to show how bad a reputation he's got in football world when no team other than Arsenal has cared to put in a bid in this window even though it's been clear for two months that he wants to leave.
To be fair it goes to show how bad a reputation he's got in football world when no team other than Arsenal has cared to put in a bid in this window even though it's been clear for two months that he wants to leave.
Bomb shell. I don't care all that much, but I'm not surprised in the slightest if Rodgers is the one actually lying. He's a twat.
The way I see it is Suarez should be playing in the Champions League and there's nothing wrong with him wanting to escape Liverpool and make the most of his career. However, Liverpool are 100% right not to sell him to Arsenal for nothing other than a ludicrous price. Where they would be wrong is rejecting a lower bid around the £30 million mark from other clubs abroad, but as of yet I don't think any have been interested anyway.
Cavani's statement from the most reliable of sources, yeah right, and if Suarez doesn't appear to completely understand his contract, then how can he.
Typical footballer gobsh1te stuff.
Typical footballer gobsh1te stuff.
They'd be mad to accept a £30m bid from anyone, he's worth at least £40m.
The baggage he comes with knocks 10 mil off his value, plus he wants to leave. Anyway 30 or 40 million, they should still accept less from an offer if it comes from a foreign club.
I think Suarez understands his contract perfectly. Why else would he have said how happy he was to sign a contract extension at his "dream club" ?
I don't think we need to sell him in order to raise funds for improving the team. After all, we were supposed to be in the running to spend £20 odd million on Mkhitaryan. The owners have always stated that if the right player comes along who can strengthen us, then they'll give the manager the cash to buy him. The problem we have is attracting the right sort of player. We're way down the pecking order in the list of clubs that are attractive to potential candidates, therefore we have to work harder in identifying, & unearthing, talent that has gone un-noticed by the likes of United, Chelsea, & City.
It's a bad situation for Liverpool. Not being in the CL and trying to compete for players with the influx of new rich clubs will make it increasingly difficult to attract decent players. United have found it harder to attract talent, losing the likes of Moura, Hazard and allegedly Thiago in recent times. It must be doubly difficult from Liverpool's position.
Is there a statement from him or his representatives saying no? I saw p.62 in the title but couldn't find anything.
They'll struggle to get any forward who scores goals for less than £20m though. They were linked with Costa who is a level below Suarez and was priced at £22m, there's no point selling your best player for £30m when you won't be able to replace him.
Yeah, it's a double-edged sword as far as we're concerned. As generous as our owners are, we'll never be able to compete financially with the top 3. & not being in the top 4 means we'll not attract the big household names to the club anyway. I think the club is in a position of trying to re-invent itself. It needs a foundation & a base-point. & I'd like to think that we have that in a good manager with Brendan Rodgers, plus the fact that we've shaved a massive amount of money off the wage bill over the past 12 months. Add to that some excellent long-term sponsorship deals we've secured since FSG took over, then financially, we're quite strong viability wise.
Our rise to becoming a prominent force again - should it happen - will not be an overnight event.
Unless a bid comes in from a club outside of the Premier League, I just can't see them selling to Arsenal even at 50 million. However, Suarez looks like the kind of person who would deliberately not give 100% to Liverpool if he stayed and that won't be of any value to them this season if he behaves like that. I know the transfer to Arsenal is beyond reasoning for most (if not all) Liverpool supporters, but I really believe they should just allow him to go to the Emirates and move on.
No, just 'sky sources'
How old are you, about 12?
A lot of teams seem to be finding it hard at the moment, as you say United too.
Liverpool cannot attract top drawer players and need to be wise with the money, Coutinho for example showed you can get good players in.
Pretty sure London is a factor too, especially for players wives!
The money is there to spend but no point in spending for the sake of it.
Fairly sure we will see a couple come in before the window closes.
13 at least.
This has also deviated into an argument where Cantona's violent conduct is now being compared to racial wumming.. Which is bizarre.
Cheers Damo. So he can theoretically say that was all nonsense cause it's not official, if he decides to pick himself up and stay. Hmm.
Hopefully he stays. He can cause more trouble for them that way.
Well, I agree with you.
I think the class player taglines can wait until at least the end of this season for players like Coutinho and Sturridge. 13 games means absolutely nothing in the scheme of things. He didn't even play that well in those games. If he scored like 45 goals (which is the kind of hype he's getting) it'd be a different story.
Is that your shtick is it?.. Asking people how old they are?
In nearly all of the *big* games he wasn't all that great. I saw a lot of him getting barged out of other games as well.
Like I said 13 games must be all it takes these days.
No use comparing the two. They're both acts that deserve to be punished. Comparing the two is a fruitless excercise.
I am with Liverpool on this one. As incompetent as they were in previous sagas (especially in the shameful Evra incident) they have done everything right in this one. They are in their right of not wanting to sell one of the best players in the league to the weakest Top 4 club. It will be interesting to see the reaction of Suarez if he'll be forced to stay there (very likely after the Henry words). A happy Suarez is an accident waiting to happen, a not-happy one, Lord save the Liverpool.
What I am struggling to understand is Arsenal. How the mighty have fallen, getting desperate to bring a player - that while he is undoubtedly talented and a great player - comes with a big baggage and has been suspended for 26 games (without getting send off, but biting 2 players, giving fingers to supporters and racially abusing another one.) in the last 3 seasons. Does anyone really think that the second biting incident will really be his last big suspension?
Strange to say, but I feel a bit sorry for Liverpool. After everything they done for him, embarrassing themselves time after time, supporting him where he didn't deserve it, he has decided to feck them. Nothing unexpected and the entire football world except them were expecting something similar from that scumbag, but still. The biggest question will be if Liverpool has understand their lesson, and will they give the unprecedented support to their players even when they are clearly in the wrong. I think not considering that they want to sign Diego Costa who is probably even worse than Suarez (and not near as much talented as him). The other part is that will they be again emotionally linked to their best 'overrated' player (don't get me wrong, both Suarez and Coutinho are quality but not near as good as Liverpool fans think) like in Torres and Suarez case.
What I am struggling to understand is Arsenal. How the mighty have fallen, getting desperate to bring a player - that while he is undoubtedly talented and a great player - comes with a big baggage and has been suspended for 26 games (without getting send off, but biting 2 players, giving fingers to supporters and racially abusing another one.) in the last 3 seasons. Does anyone really think that the second biting incident will really be his last big suspension?
Strange to say, but I feel a bit sorry for Liverpool. After everything they done for him, embarrassing themselves time after time, supporting him where he didn't deserve it, he has decided to feck them. Nothing unexpected and the entire football world except them were expecting something similar from that scumbag, but still. The biggest question will be if Liverpool has understand their lesson, and will they give the unprecedented support to their players even when they are clearly in the wrong. I think not considering that they want to sign Diego Costa who is probably even worse than Suarez (and not near as much talented as him). The other part is that will they be again emotionally linked to their best 'overrated' player (don't get me wrong, both Suarez and Coutinho are quality but not near as good as Liverpool fans think) like in Torres and Suarez case.
Big dumb Brenton shouldn't be saying he could leave if they didn't finish top four. feck feeling sorry for them. It's fecking magic what is happening at that shit house club.
Arsenal wanting a bring a quality player like Suarez to the team isn't an act of desperation. It's a football club after all and they obviously want a quality player to get them back to where they once were. It's not like there are an abundance of top quality strikers available for them to buy and Suarez is already a proven Premier League player. Also, Wenger may have a much bigger influence on Suarez and his behavior than Rodgers so I don't get your premise that buying Suarez is a desperate act by them, after they've lost so many quality players over the past 3 seasons. You can't 'troll' Wenger for not buying quality and then call him desperate when he tries to improve his squad, even if its with Suarez.
Wenger would never have signed a player with his amount of baggage a couple of years ago.
Exactly what I was talking about. Very strange considering that Higuain was available for less, and while he isn't as good as Suarez, he's still a very good player that doesn't have a ~10 game mandatory ban each season.
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