A lot has changed since then. He needs to end his trophy drought at Arsenal and quality is what's needed. The baggage can be worked on.
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A lot has changed since then. He needs to end his trophy drought at Arsenal and quality is what's needed. The baggage can be worked on.
Shameful desperation from Arsenal.
I have a feeling that Wenger wants to give it one last shot.
Exactly, and he's prepared to sacrifice his principles to do so. Smacks of desperation to me.
Just don't get this logic to be honest. Wanting a proven quality Premier League striker to improve their team is sensible. What Suarez has done from a footballing perspective is what's influencing Wenger's decision. The antics can be worked on.
Shameful?Have a word with yourself.
Arsenal are a traditional classy club. They should be nowhere near Suarez. Reeks of desperation to me.
What principles are you referring to here? Be a bit more explicit in your posts so at least we can see where your 'desperation' comment makes any sense.
He has been the same so far, for Uruguay, Ajax and Liverpool. He's hardly a young footballer and is 26. I'm not sure how his antics can be worked on. Wenger is not a magician, Suarez is a cnut and will remain so.
So you're implying that they shouldn't try improving their football squad with a quality player?
I just don't get your logic here...I truly don't.
A good footballing cnut nonetheless. From a clear footballing perspective, the transfer makes sense to Wenger. We really shouldn't care about the other stuff. Sounds crazy but a club like Arsenal shouldn't be this trophyless for this long.
So if Marlon King is good enough, then you'd have no problem in signing him for Roma?
Obviously Marlon King is a cnut of different proportions to Suarez, but from a clear footballing perspective, would you take him?
The whole ethos of Arsenal Football Club.
It's well documented that Wenger goes to great lengths when scouting players to research their character and values.
Signing Suarez would represent a significant change of tack.
Would Marlon King significantly improve Roma? I'm sure you can answer that yourself.
Suarez on the other hand would improve both Arsenal and Roma by a stretch up front. I'm looking at this from a purely footballing perspective and Suarez (despite being a little nuts) would improve Arsenal so they can at least challenge for the league somewhat.
No, he's implying that Arsenal shouldn't go for a racist, scumbag, biting, diving, ungrateful cnut that has been suspended retroactively for 26 matches in last 3 seasons. Difficult to understand?
Lot's have changed since then. He can't pussy foot on buying quality anymore.
Did Suarez really refuse to apologize?
I'm sorry I haven't followed these sagas closely.
I'm sorry I haven't followed these sagas closely.
I understand that...reading and understanding isn't exactly multitasking.
I fully grasp the fact that Suarez may be a difficult character or all of the above you've mentioned. But I fail to see from a footballing perspective why no one would understand why Wenger would want him at Arsenal. If he manages to get him and Suarez helps them win their first piece of silverware since 2005, the books won't have:
X winners 2013/2014.*
* - Helped by a racist, scumbag, biting, diving ungrateful c*nt.
You need to be realistic though in terms of long term plans and strategies etc. I'm sure you don't see any reason why you can't finish above Arsenal but I doubt you'd find many neutrals that agree. Selling him abroad would be the best solution if he genuinely does knuckle down and play for you next season but it's not looking like he's going to, is it? Hasn't he refused to say sorry for being a cnut recently or something?
I think this is a time for being realistic again. You shouldn't really be trying for the sort players that us, City or Chelsea are after at the moment. You want to be getting players in like your Coutinho business (which is, to be fair, probably what you meant by un-noticed) who'll be happy to come and will improve you in the short and long term. Suarez is most definitely a short term plan now, at the very best. At the worst he's going to be a cancer on your dressing room all year. I don't doubt you've got a few bob lying around but the extra cash from flogging Suarez gives you the potential to offer better wages and fees for some talent. Like I said though it'll only really work if you already have targets lined up, but I assume you will have.
If Arsenal are going to pay 50m for him then his habit of getting himself suspended every season for long periods is not going to help and that's a good enough footballing reason
Fair enough
I'm unhappy at 40m but 50m is fecking horrible. Come on Madrid, swoop in and give us Bennie.
People assume that Wenger will work on smoothing out Suarez's rough edges. It could be that Wenger wants a bit of nastyness back in his team. Suarez is a great player but he's also all about winning whatever the costs; Arsenal need that more than a breezy, chilled out character right now.
Don't forget Patrick Vieira spat at a player but the first thing people remember is that he won trophies for Arsenal.
Don't forget Patrick Vieira spat at a player but the first thing people remember is that he won trophies for Arsenal.
Yeah but there is some merit to the idea (not to mention ample evidence to support) that his lengthy suspensions are simply a means of hastening his exit from a club he no longer wishes to play for.
Bennie will be weighing in at £50M too. In old money Suarez was worth about £30M but fees have gone up 33-50% so £40M is reasonable and £45M tops.
Didn't they bribe their way into the football league?
Lobbied their way into the First Division (at Spurs expense).
And who's to say he wouldn't do the same at Arsenal?
Look I think he's a very good player but when you're spending almost 50m on a player, you don't want to spend it on a complete nutter. And keep in mind he's lucky to only have missed 26 games since joining. A lot of his cuntishness seems to go unnoticed. To summarize 50m is a big risk for a player that comes with as much baggage as Suarez does.
That's a fair point of course. No one can know the answer, though. Personally, I think that Liverpool are way out of touch on the fee that they want. Not least because of the potential for nutty behaviour and the player's propensity for suspension.
Suarez just makes me uneasy. If you're spending that much cabbage you've got to be sure he's worth it and won't feck us off at some point.
See I am of the opposite opinion, Suarez had an outstanding season and have had one mediocre European club interested in him, in order to garner interest from better teams he needs to put on an exhibition of football and good behaviour next year. Sulking and refusing to co-operate will obviously hurt Liverpool but it'll hurt Suarez a hell of a lot more, what good team in their right mind would want a player who throws a bitch fit and refuses to play?
I'm delighted with the hard line stance Rodgers has taken, it's about time we stopped pandering to Suarez.
Why do you think Suarez is telling the truth now? Surely since he had a history of lying there must be some sort of grey area there. Suarez said it was in his contract, it clearly wasn't- who was telling the truth?
I'm not saying that we will finish above Arsenal, I'm saying it's not an unrealistic aim- it's not like I'm saying we can challenge for the title. Why is the point in playing football if you start the season with absolutely no ambition?
Maybe. Just going by past behavior. But I do admire the stance taken by Rodgers on this one though.
Our track record with people who've fecked their previous clubs over isn't great but if Suarez helps us to win the league he'll hang around for a while.
I guess a league win is worth 40m squid. We need more than Gnasher though...we need a Dennis the Menace. A whole bunch of Bash Street Kids.
And Arsene. Mourinho would shouting his mouth off about fighting to the death by now.
If Suarez, Rooney and Bale all fail to get their dream moves, it will be one in the eye for the idea that player power means clubs just have to sell their best players when a 'better' club comes calling.
They'll just have to pay them to feck about for a season then sell them cheap next summer.
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