To be fair, if you want a top striker you usually have to overpay. But not for higuain. He isn't even a top striker and not worth overpaying.
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Does it really matter? Worth is very much dependent on your need.
The very top level of strikers will not sign for Arsenal, nor will they pay release clause for a Cavani or a Falcao. Who is better than him that is available for £35m? If by the end of window, they are not able to get a good striker then the Higuain price will seem like a bargain.
The very top level of strikers will not sign for Arsenal, nor will they pay release clause for a Cavani or a Falcao. Who is better than him that is available for £35m? If by the end of window, they are not able to get a good striker then the Higuain price will seem like a bargain.
No it won't, he will still be overpriced.
But it might be worthwhile paying the extra for him. RVP with a year left on his contract, at his age, and injury riddled past went for big money - but he was worth every penny, the ugly khunt.
Well I'm almost certain we won't land up with Suarez, come the end of August, not unless we're prepared to shell out close to 47-48m, and that's crazy money IMO, even though it's a crazy market. Higuain for 37-40m would've been crazy money too.
I suppose it's about taking the gamble, and I think Gazidis and Wenger feel they would rather gamble on Suarez than Higuain, and I can see why they would do so too. You're right in saying that he is probably one of the only realistic world class players we can sign, and signing him would signal massive intent (provided we strengthen midfield and defence).
Financial prudence for a decade, and the moment we apparently have some money we go waving it about like randy teenagers. Go figure.
I suppose it's about taking the gamble, and I think Gazidis and Wenger feel they would rather gamble on Suarez than Higuain, and I can see why they would do so too. You're right in saying that he is probably one of the only realistic world class players we can sign, and signing him would signal massive intent (provided we strengthen midfield and defence).
Financial prudence for a decade, and the moment we apparently have some money we go waving it about like randy teenagers. Go figure.
Although it's way overpriced, but if Arsenal prepared to pay 35m for Higuain, might as well go 45m for Suarez. He is definitely worth that extra 10m.
It's a crazy season. I'm wondering why we didn't just offer 12m signing fee to Thiago, when we could get him for 18m the release clause. The sum would still be a bargain for his class. Ah well...
Like you said, one expensive signing is hardly a 'massive intent'. Man City sign Navas, Jovetic, Fernandinho, Negredo, and possibly another winger (on top of an already top squad), is a 'massive' one. Unless of course it's another 3/4/5 year plan, where Wenger plans to buy one world class signing every year (plus cheaper ones).
Anyway, expensive signing still brings excitement to the new season, and one to look forward to. I'd like United to make one, too.
That held no significance whatsoever in the dealing seeing as he was really fit in his last year and half at Arsenal.
I'd personally be embarrassed to have a player like him for my team. He's a disgrace
I can see this clause thing going to CAS. It will probably get very messy.
Picture this: we swap Ronney with Suarez... wouldn't that be the (respective) meltdowns of the century? Beat this!
Rooney to Poo is as likely as Cesc to Man Utd.
I still don't think Arsenal will sign him. He's got three years left on his contract and Liverpool would be daft to sell him to a PL rival.
The lack of loyalty from Suarez is staggering though. Fabregas and Ronaldo both promised to give one more years at their club before moving on. Suarez isn't willing to do that inspite of being treated like a god by Liverpool management and fans.
The lack of loyalty from Suarez is staggering though. Fabregas and Ronaldo both promised to give one more years at their club before moving on. Suarez isn't willing to do that inspite of being treated like a god by Liverpool management and fans.
I don't think he will go to Arsenal either, unless they come close to the £50m mark and Suarez puts in a transfer request.
Selling to them is obviously not what the club want to do. We are trying to catch them up not fall further behind.
However, we don't need an unhappy, grumpy player, the club need to dig in but whatever happens it needs sorting soon.
We still need to strengthen areas of the team - still cannot believe we haven't brought in another centre half - and the last thing we need is this thing
dragging on and on. Hopefully Real Madrid will come in for him, but they are notorious for bidding low, I doubt they would even offer what Arsenal have.
Selling to them is obviously not what the club want to do. We are trying to catch them up not fall further behind.
However, we don't need an unhappy, grumpy player, the club need to dig in but whatever happens it needs sorting soon.
We still need to strengthen areas of the team - still cannot believe we haven't brought in another centre half - and the last thing we need is this thing
dragging on and on. Hopefully Real Madrid will come in for him, but they are notorious for bidding low, I doubt they would even offer what Arsenal have.
It's a lot easier to give one more year to a champions league team and ones that have a chance of challenging for the title.
Yeah but tbf Liverpool went to obscene measures to stand by him. I know professional footballers are cnut, but I think giving one more year to Liverpool would be beneficial for him too.
Is it really? This is a guy who still publicly blames the press for his problems, rather than admit that his own actions have caused the press reaction in the first place. He is clearly self absorbed and I don't think he cares about Liverpool or the fans. They're just a step on his career ladder.
Both were lucky that the players were never injured for a prolonged period as they were winning them games left, right and centre. They can drag them to a certain point depending on the overall quality of the squad. RVP managed to drag you to top 4 as the rest of the team was a good side. Liverpool and Spurs don't really have that luxury but Spurs are improving slowly.
You're nuts. Higuain isn't worth the 30 million Madrid were asking for him. You may be a bit desperate for something but it still doesn't mean you should overpay.
Bargaining power takes a huge dive for the seller when you only have one buyer. The upside for Liverpool here is that they can still say no and not budge until their valuation is met. The downside is that you'd be stuck with a player who's giving less than 100% on the pitch. But let's be honest here; the only reason the 40 million bid was rejected is because Arsenal is a Premier League side. You would have accepted 40 from Madrid and sell him.
Really?We might have picked average managers, but shit strikers? Ok a bit of a quick lesson as I've already guessed you're probably between 16-22 years old. Rush got old, we got Aldridge. Rush got old part two we saw Fowler. Robbie got injured up rose Owen. Mikey fcked off we bought Torres. Judas betrayed us we sneaked in Suarez. Luis is playing the cnut so we'll have ... See the pattern.
You can talk about the Keanes, Heskeys, Carroll's, but every team buys shit too. Klebs, Djembas, etc.
You could have saved yourself a guess and simply checked my profile to find I am more than twice your upper limit.
You make it sound as if this all happened at the same time. During the three years between Owen and Torres you signed Morientes, Cisse, Fowler (Again), Crouch, Kuyt, Bellamy, Voronin and Babel. Then you had Torres, fair enough, a decent player. Then you bought Robbie Keane(£21m bargain), N'Gog, etc
Carroll and Suarez followed. One was a grossly overpriced King Kenny special and the other is a troublesome carnivore.
As I said, signing strikers hasn't been Liverpool's strength. There was no need for your poorly written lesson, but thanks anyway.
For me the best bargain out of that lot above was Kuyt. Not an out and out striker, but a grafter and an often under-rated player.
Incidentally, I just about remember Dalglish signing for Liverpool from Celtic, I hate to admit it.
Worth is dependent on your need but you always need to look at the opportunity cost of an item before you pay for it.
City, Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea are pretty fecked when it comes to signing a striker in this window. It's bad enough that City had to pay £24m for an average forward like Negredo and Napoli ended up paying €37m for Higuain. City are lucky enough to still have two proven forwards in Aguero and Dzeko, the rest of them don't have forwards good enough to match their aspirations so will likely have to pay over the odds for Rooney and Suarez as they are the only two proven quality forwards available in this window who haven't found new clubs yet.
£45m would be decent money for Suarez if he were to give Arsenal 4-5 years at the highest level. He's a top quality player who could make the difference between challenging for the league and playing for a top 4 place. If he moved there, we could pretty much guarantee that top 4 would consist of the exact same teams as last year but Arsenal would be a lot closer to the top than they were.
Going from 71 in 100 in the dutch league to 50 in 200 in the premier league and looking pretty rubbish up front is hardly underrated. There is no doubt he was a striker with that goal return. Or he was a fecking Cristiano Ronaldoesque goal scoring winger and he certainly wasn't that at all. He was a tryer and i mean, everyone loves a tryer. But he was arguably another pretty shit signing in the end in terms of output signed as a forward with that reputation.
Not all imports from the dutch league work out of course though.
The amount being paid for other players this summer suggest he isnt far off that mark.
He was a cracking sloth from the goonies impersonator though.
I think they miss that in the current squad.
Balls to the wall effort? I think they do. The main thing IMO is the squad mentality is still driven by 'we think we should be good enough to compete for the title and the champions league'. It will be interesting when Stevie G retires how the squad assimilates back down to the mid table mentality.
I guarantee you if there wasn't that stench of 'history and grandeur' permeating the first team they would probably transition to Rogers style a lot faster and crisper. I got the feeling last year there was more grating moany behavior and boy language onthe field that they were uncomfortable changing their style as individuals. That's why continuo and Sturridge did so well.
This year will be very interesting for them and the real litmus test IMO.
I guarantee you if there wasn't that stench of 'history and grandeur' permeating the first team they would probably transition to Rogers style a lot faster and crisper. I got the feeling last year there was more grating moany behavior and boy language onthe field that they were uncomfortable changing their style as individuals. That's why continuo and Sturridge did so well.
This year will be very interesting for them and the real litmus test IMO.
Not because Cavani and Falcao inflated the market this summer means all other clubs should overpay for strikers.
I don't think Higuain is all that good though, he'd improve Arsenal but between paying £30m+ for him and £40m+ for Suarez
I'd prefer the latter. Forwards go for crazy prices these days, £24m for van Persie last season seems almost like a bargain now. I'm surprised none of the English clubs have tried harder for Lewandowski - Dortmund would sell for £20m to a foreign club and I doubt he's that glued to the idea of moving to Bayern who can't guarantee him anything in terms of first team football. He's by far the best value on the market bur Dortmund won't sell him now, it's too late to find a replacement.
Maybe Liverpool think that if Carroll was "worth" £35 mil, Suarez must be worth £70 mil.
Scouse mentality
Or maybe as per Brendan's quotes that Cavani went for £55m and the club feel they should demand a similar fee.
If you have a prize asset, your best player you get the best price you think you can surely.
And if you have damaged goods then they go cheap.......
It's the clubs prerogative to get the best possible value, we can only assume that's part of the current situation as the bids so far have been turned down. He is a player under contract at LFC.
If Arsenal want him - they will need to pay what LFC value the player as.
Whether anyone disagrees with that is kind of irrelevant, it's up to the club to get the best deal they can.
I'm talking football mate, not Vampire Diaries.
If you only have one buyer and the player is willing to leave, the bargaining power of the seller goes down tremendously; or you bite the bullet and keep an unhappy player in the squad and in the dressing room. The Fabregas transfer to Barcelona is kind of similar. He wanted to leave and Barcelona was the only destination. Arsenal sold him for much less than what he was actually worth to them. The difference here is that Arsenal is another Premier League team and obviously Liverpool doesn't want to strengthen Arsenal in any way...especially with their best player. If Madrid had bid the same 40 million, it would have been accepted.
Obviously the club don't want to sell to a rival, I disagree about the Madrid comment, well I am not convinced anyway LFC would sell for £40m to anyone. Whether that's actually correct I don't know. Maybe we will find out soon.
You contradict yourself, it was clear that the above poster meant that if they won't accept £40 mil from a domestic rival, they have more chance of accepting the same bid from a team outside of their league... although I don't get it personally... Arsenal challenge for 4th spot, your not in competition with them, Villa/Everton are your competition IMO
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