Being so rubbish and all.
You are not seriously arguing Welbeck's finishing is as good as Sturridge's...
Based on a youtube clip of one goal at that.
Sturridge vs Welbeck
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You are not seriously arguing Welbeck's finishing is as good as Sturridge's...
Based on a youtube clip of one goal at that.
Sturridge is clearly currently better.
Both Welbeck and Sturridge were so wasteful, both spurning several good chances, but Sturridge annoyed me a bit more because he was incredibly selfish with it and refused to play in teammates at times when they were in a better position than him for the shot.
Everything Welbeck did outside of the box, was really really good though and he made a big defensive contribution too. I thought he didn't drive the ball enough against Montenegro on Friday, but he definitely did that last night, running past people several times.
Overall it was a good performance, he was involved in a lot of England's good moves, just let down a bit with the finishing.
Sturridge would get more goals if he stopped smashing the ball at the keeper a la Defoe. He always looks threatening but is selfish in his build up and takes too much time getting the ball onto his left foot. He's improving though. I think they both look promising in an England side with Rooney in good form.
Interesting. Just how many opportunities do you think he would get in front of goal? Do you not think what happens further down the field is sometimes more important?
Sturridge is a proper lead the line forward, Welbeck a support striker. They also have an excellent understanding when played together. feck the comparisons. I quite like both players.
Personally Id bench Walcott and start both.
He had a few decent efforts on target yesterday, whereas Welbeck in similar situations failed to work the keeper.
To be honest I would play them both, like you say what happens in other areas is also important.
I really liked the attacking line up they played yesterday.
I thought Welbeck had a good game and I have to admit I did wonder about the logic in playing him on the left, but it worked okay, partly because Townsend was outstanding on the other flank and his pace stretched them frequently.
The left side has been a problem for England for a long time and maybe with this formation Welbeck is the answer.
He's a "lead the line forward" that can't hold the ball up, can't bring others into play and is pretty wasteful in front of goal. I think he's a big part of the reason Liverpool have averaged just 51.7% possession this season - the 9th best team in the league, just above Stoke.
Rooney is better behind he striker, no? That is his preferred position (genuine question)?
If Rooney is going to drop deep and link up regardless then I would chose Sturridge. He is more dangerous and is more likely to make 'something' happen.
That is my neutral point of view.
As for the future - Sturridge is guaranteed consistent game time, and will be the key man once Suarez leaves. I can only see him getting better and better. Welbeck needs to be played consistently, which hopefully he can this season. If he continues to improve and especially polish up on his finishing then he will be a top line player. Though I wonder where he will get games at United, on a flank or up front?
He seems to suffer from the same issue Jones, and to a lesser extent Smalling, has suffered from. But Wenger has played players like Fabregas, Ramsey, Diaby and Wilshere on the wing as part of their development so I don't think it will be an issue in the long run.
If you insist.
Sturridge is the better striker and finisher. There's no arguing with the fact tat when he's been a regular he's scored goals regularly unlike Welbeck
In terms of talent, both are similar with one having more flair, the other more consistent in terms of passing/moving... but its their personalities which are in stark contrast. Right now, I'd much rather have Sturridge in front of goal and Welbeck in a deeper role.
My viewpoint hasn't changed on this issue in years.
Sturridge will always look dangerous and score more goals than Welbeck because he's all about goalscoring but Welbeck is superior with pretty much all other aspects of his game. Sturridge is basically a upgrade on Defoe.
That said, right now I'd go with Sturridge up front over Welbeck. I don't really know how (guessing maturity) but Danny really needs to improve on his composure infront of goal.
Sturridge will always look dangerous and score more goals than Welbeck because he's all about goalscoring but Welbeck is superior with pretty much all other aspects of his game. Sturridge is basically a upgrade on Defoe.
That said, right now I'd go with Sturridge up front over Welbeck. I don't really know how (guessing maturity) but Danny really needs to improve on his composure infront of goal.
I think Welbeck's intelligence on a football pitch and his contribution to the team effort is a bit underestimated. He's a very important player, he understands the game and reads it well, and I think against the top teams that could be very important (he's never looked out of place against the best teams, like against Real). That's not to say I'd rather have him over Sturridge, I think they bring different things to the team, I'd have them both. But Welbeck's 'work' for England is a bit unappreciated I feel, it's not just as simple as 'he's better in front of the goal' 'he scores more'.
Agreed. He is not a lead striker at all.. Would rather have Welbeck who's hold up play is excellent... Just lacks that clinical finish. If we could merge the both of them we would have a phenomenal striker.
Someone that can't link play or finish? He already exists. His name is Dong and we released him years ago.
Next Batistuta my arse.
They're such different players, I don't know why people compare them so much. Based on the way Welbeck currently plays, they shouldn't even be in direct competition. Sturridge is only good when he's a striker, and right now Welbeck is best played as a winger.
Welbeck's situation finishing-wise is the same as ever. Scorer of great goals, but not a good goalscorer. He's scored goals as good as anything Sturridge has - long range strikes, acrobatic volleys, brilliant chips, clever behind the leg flicks. But he simply doesn't score - or shoot - nearly enough to be as good a goalscorer as Sturridge is.
Yeah, basically this, for me. Different players but I like them both and I think they work really well on the pitch together. If the WC was right now, I'd want Hodgson to start exactly the same front four as he used in the last two games.
Welbeck's situation finishing-wise is the same as ever. Scorer of great goals, but not a good goalscorer. He's scored goals as good as anything Sturridge has - long range strikes, acrobatic volleys, brilliant chips, clever behind the leg flicks. But he simply doesn't score - or shoot - nearly enough to be as good a goalscorer as Sturridge is.
Yeah, basically this, for me. Different players but I like them both and I think they work really well on the pitch together. If the WC was right now, I'd want Hodgson to start exactly the same front four as he used in the last two games.
Spot on. danny 'my nan could have scored that' welbeck. If you could merge both of their strong points though - wow!
He is but it's ghaliboy you're talking to.
Sturridge is better in the box/at shooting (when he's not dicking about), Welbeck is better out of the box (when he's not dicking about). Both are quite good, both will get better, both should play for England - as based on recent evidence, we play better football when they're both in the side.
That would be my answer too.
Wellbeck and Sturridge are both flawed, but are also both young enough to still be learning, especially at international level, but even when they are not finishing well they contribute more than walcott or the Ox do. Ox is really useful as an impact sub, but for me the best front line we have currently is Rooney/Sturridge/wellbeck and Townsend. Not the best individually perhaps, but the best unit available.
They play as a team. We've lacked that since the 90's.
Sturridge if you're talking about goal threat, but in the first few games of the season I really thought Welbeck was improving then he trailed off a bit, i;d have both in the team but if I had to pick one it would be sturridge, shame because he WAS in our team!
Sturridge is a better line-leading striker and more of a goal threat, but Welbeck's attributes shouldn't be overlooked. His physicality and pace are always a problem for defenders. For United especially, I can't remember seeing a player win the ball so high up the pitch so consistently. Park used to do it a bit, but Welbeck seems to manage it almost every game. He holds the ball up well and makes good short passes in really tight situations. I bet he's an absolute bastard to play against because of his strength and his knack for getting stuck in. Back when he started to make the occasional appearance in the first team, I never expected that gawky, gangly young Danny Welbeck to become the brute that he is. Then he went on loan to Sunderland. I don't know what happened up there. I think he ate Sunderland. He came back huge.
I like Sturridge though. I think the move has served him well. His finishing still isn't perfect, but it's getting better all the time. If he can improve the use of his right foot and his head, then he'll be a daunting striker.
If we play 4-3-3 against more powerful teams, then a front 3 of Welbeck, Rooney and Sturridge is very balanced. All 3 are capable of dropping back and being involved as well, where as I don't think the likes of Walcott, Oxlade and Lambert are.
I like Sturridge though. I think the move has served him well. His finishing still isn't perfect, but it's getting better all the time. If he can improve the use of his right foot and his head, then he'll be a daunting striker.
If we play 4-3-3 against more powerful teams, then a front 3 of Welbeck, Rooney and Sturridge is very balanced. All 3 are capable of dropping back and being involved as well, where as I don't think the likes of Walcott, Oxlade and Lambert are.
Chamberlain is, to be fair. But there are other reasons why he shouldn't start ahead of any of those three, so your point still stands.
I totally forgot about that
With your best striker currently out on loan... you've not had the most sensible policy with attackers of late!
Suarez performs that role for Liverpool very well. Sturridge is a good partner for Suarez, when you consider Suarez can be even more wasteful in goal at times for the scouse. And since when did possession rankings become important?
Besides Drogba, Chelsea hasn't had a proper striker in ages.
Even more embarassing that they keep sending Lukaku out on loan too
Welbeck will link better with Rooney than Sturridge would and that's arguably worth more than what Sturridge would offer in general to the team. Either that or we keep Welbeck out wide and put Wilshere in behind Rooney.
In my view, Welbeck simply isn't all that. Most of the mitigation for his under- performance/achievement will not be made if he was not a United player I believe. I think Sturridge has more of a chance of being a real top class striker. He has always gotten goals when played (for every club he's played at), has raw pace and trickery too.
He doesn't have some of the stuff Welbeck has in his locker, i.e - the sort of stuff you would ask of a midfield player. That said, neither are midfielders - and Welbeck is not good enough at the whole 'linking the play' thing for it to be a mitigation for his lack of productivity I don't think. When it's stripped away, he's still playing a sort of Heskey-role, largely in the team to help the other attackers play well. He is, thankfully, much more skilled than Heskey of course. That said, if he was laying chances on for opponents left, right and centre - then I'd compare him favourably to Sturridge. But at the sharp end of the pitch, where output is a must - I don't think it can be argued he's better than Sturridge.
Needless to say, I hope I am proven wrong.
He doesn't have some of the stuff Welbeck has in his locker, i.e - the sort of stuff you would ask of a midfield player. That said, neither are midfielders - and Welbeck is not good enough at the whole 'linking the play' thing for it to be a mitigation for his lack of productivity I don't think. When it's stripped away, he's still playing a sort of Heskey-role, largely in the team to help the other attackers play well. He is, thankfully, much more skilled than Heskey of course. That said, if he was laying chances on for opponents left, right and centre - then I'd compare him favourably to Sturridge. But at the sharp end of the pitch, where output is a must - I don't think it can be argued he's better than Sturridge.
Needless to say, I hope I am proven wrong.
I disagree, I think Rooney prefers Sturridge.. he gets in behind defences and likes to score goals, relieving pressure off Wayne... Welbeck puts more pressure on Wayne to score.
I think Townsend has to play, he has a directness and an ability to be dangerous out wide which the others in that trio can't match up too. Townsend, Rooney, Sturridge with Welbeck in behind as the spearhead in AM, would be a better solution if we need to drop deep and go 4-3-3.
Both are as overrated and limited as each other IMO
Sturridge is very talented. Quick, skillful, can beat a man, very good goalscorer. Only problem is he's very greedy, but he has demonstrated a good eye for a pass and some creativity particularly when he played on the right for Chelsea under AVB.
I think Welbeck has the traits to prosper as the tip of a 3 man midfield, especially as all his best traits lie outwith goalscoring, though I can't see it happening. I think he'll always be a wide option for England, and we'll probably opt for Lampard, Gerrard and Wilshere in midfield if we play 4-3-3.
Sturridge, any other opinion is wrong. Welbeck will at some point kick on but for me he's got some way to go
Both have loads of confidence to go with their abilities, which make them stand amongst the average English youngster. Sturridge has actually gone and turned that confidence into solid productivity. Obviously, getting a run of games up front with a classy Coutinho behind him has helped him get to that level. I think Welbeck will get to a similar level as well but i fear that he's gonna have to wait a lot longer for a consistent run of playing opportunities.