I don't think his passing is incisive enough to play there.
Sturridge vs Welbeck
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I don't think his passing is incisive enough to play there.
You are conflating his selfishness with an in ability to bring others into play. He isn't poor at link up play. His disease is selfishness which results in him losing the ball needlessly a bit too much for his and his team's good. That was very evident vs Poland
Ah yes. He is so wasteful in front of goal that he scored 10 in 14 games last season and has scored 6 in 7 this term for Liverpool.
I agree.
They are like the opposite player. Sturridge is selfish prick, but great finisher. Welbeck is entirely selfless, but couldn't finish his dinner.
Sturridge.
When we have the ball, he could drift out to the wing, but out of possession he'd be excellent in pressing the opposition deep-lying playmaker.
Sturridge is currently the better player, and by far the better striker. Welbeck is better as a winger though, or for very specified roles (like last year when he was given the job to make pressure on Alonso).
If I was an Englan National Team fan, I would have preferred Sturrridge to partner Rooney in attack as the two strikers (or Rooney as a No.10 and Sturridge up front). But it can probably work better a formation with Rooney as the leading striker, Welbeck on left wing, 3 in midfield and someone else (not Young or Milner) on the right wing. It depends formation suits more the manager and the team.
If I was an Englan National Team fan, I would have preferred Sturrridge to partner Rooney in attack as the two strikers (or Rooney as a No.10 and Sturridge up front). But it can probably work better a formation with Rooney as the leading striker, Welbeck on left wing, 3 in midfield and someone else (not Young or Milner) on the right wing. It depends formation suits more the manager and the team.
Magical.
I used to be part of the Welbeck is a better footballer while Sturridge is just a better scorer. That may be true but strikers are judged on goals and on winning games, Sturridge does both better than Welbeck. They are both strikers who are mainly judged on goals. Welbeck has a hard time getting playing time upfront here. But even from the wings he is not a big enough threat, he is not clinical or composed enough. Sturridge is only getting better.
I'm sure rooney would rather have more chances than watch Sturridge shoot from improbable angles. Shame really, if he could cut out the selfishness then he would indeed be a great partner for Rooney.
So from the comments above its just as I suspected. Sturridge is the real striker and Welbeck an upgraded version of Kuyt.
Torres, and I think RvP, would comment on how important Kuyt was to them.
Torres, and I think RvP, would comment on how important Kuyt was to them.
Kuyt 
Welbeck actually knows what to do with a football.
Welbeck actually knows what to do with a football.
Kuyt
Welbeck actually knows what to do with a football.
Yes he does: 1. Win the ball. 2. Pass it to a real striker.
Pretty much Kuyt's daily practice routine.
Kuyt
Welbeck actually knows what to do with a football.
*cough* 6 March 2011 *cough*
Welbeck an upgraded version of Kuyt, I've heard it all now I wonder if those who say that managed to catch at least one United game since Welbeck broke through.
I wonder if those who say that managed to catch at least one United game since Welbeck broke through.I know what you mean, if they did they wouldn't have included the word "upgraded"
Stop feeding the trolls lads
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Erm, it's not as if no-one has ever made the comparison between Welbeck and Kuyt before. I have heard it plenty of times, it may well be bollox, but nevertheless, I have heard the comparison plenty of times.
As I said before, opposition fans 'generally' don't rate Welbeck and most of the ratings I read on various sites from Tuesday nights match, didn't rate Welbeck too favourably. It's clear that our own fans appreciate Danny and what he does on the pitch, but don't expect opposition fans / the general media / pundits, to feel the same way.
As I said before, opposition fans 'generally' don't rate Welbeck and most of the ratings I read on various sites from Tuesday nights match, didn't rate Welbeck too favourably. It's clear that our own fans appreciate Danny and what he does on the pitch, but don't expect opposition fans / the general media / pundits, to feel the same way.
Me too. By the same people on this forum. I've never heard it said outside of this forum.
Welbeck is a fine Defensive Striker. I think of him as more of a slimmer, more elegant, Heskey than I do Kuyt though. But maybe one day, with a bit more guile and goal nous he'll get there.
If you can put everything into that 'upgraded' basket including technique, pace, acceleration etc. then Ronaldo is an upgraded me. Welbeck is as close to Kuyt or Heskey (it's getting worrying) as Grobbelaar was to Roberto Baggio - i.e. both of them were football players.
Welbeck got a great technique and enthusiasm and is going to be a top player. Physically already developed and showing signs of getting goal-scoring touch. He also relishes the big games which is priceless in any player. I bet he's going to end up closer to Henry's class than to this of Heskey's or Kuyt's (who's always been a bit underrated, actually).
Welbeck got a great technique and enthusiasm and is going to be a top player. Physically already developed and showing signs of getting goal-scoring touch. He also relishes the big games which is priceless in any player. I bet he's going to end up closer to Henry's class than to this of Heskey's or Kuyt's (who's always been a bit underrated, actually).
Either the 'pool lads are trolling or they haven't ever actually seen Welbeck. It's not question of how good he is, but they just don't seem to understand what type of player he is. Heskey and Kuyt, ffs! It's definitely true that Welbeck isn't particularly rated by non-United fans. I wouldn't necessarily say they see him as a Kuyt type but in my experience they definitely see pace and industry as his main attributes. I've genuinely never seen anyone who isn't a United fan say he is technically excellent, or if they have it's been so rare that I've totally forgotten about it. They never fail to notice his lack of goals though.
In terms of comparing them it really depends what you need.
If you're looking for a key attacking player/goal scorer than Sturridge is the current better player without doubt. Just a much greater threat given he's a more natural goal scorer and also generally seems more direct in attack, running at people more than Welbeck tends too.
If you're looking for someone else to compliment an attack then for me it's Welbeck. He will work very hard for the team, is generally more sensible in his choices and for me a bigger team player. His work will generally go unappreciated, you can tell already by the reaction to his game against Poland. It's similar to the last Euro's game we played, can't remember who it was against but Welbeck was doing a great job picking up the ball in tight area's and passing it out to others as well as pressing, but it went largely unappreciated.
That said he does need to add more cutting edge to his game. It's similar to Clev really, if the rest of the team is playing well such that you know that chances will be created and others will get goals then both will fit in nicely to complement what's already happening, but if the creativity/goals aren't there and they need to do something then that can be the issue for them. Welbeck isn't someone who crosses the ball, or a particularly incisive passer, he works quick touches of those around him, or deals with a ball nicely to keep an attack flowing, but he's not gonn often play the key pass, and as we all know in front of goal he seems to have an absence of ruthlessness and luck. So that could be an issue for him in the future, particularly in getting credit for the other generally good work he is doing.
If you're looking for a key attacking player/goal scorer than Sturridge is the current better player without doubt. Just a much greater threat given he's a more natural goal scorer and also generally seems more direct in attack, running at people more than Welbeck tends too.
If you're looking for someone else to compliment an attack then for me it's Welbeck. He will work very hard for the team, is generally more sensible in his choices and for me a bigger team player. His work will generally go unappreciated, you can tell already by the reaction to his game against Poland. It's similar to the last Euro's game we played, can't remember who it was against but Welbeck was doing a great job picking up the ball in tight area's and passing it out to others as well as pressing, but it went largely unappreciated.
That said he does need to add more cutting edge to his game. It's similar to Clev really, if the rest of the team is playing well such that you know that chances will be created and others will get goals then both will fit in nicely to complement what's already happening, but if the creativity/goals aren't there and they need to do something then that can be the issue for them. Welbeck isn't someone who crosses the ball, or a particularly incisive passer, he works quick touches of those around him, or deals with a ball nicely to keep an attack flowing, but he's not gonn often play the key pass, and as we all know in front of goal he seems to have an absence of ruthlessness and luck. So that could be an issue for him in the future, particularly in getting credit for the other generally good work he is doing.
I think it's time you actually sat down and watched Welbeck for United.. Instead of talking completely out your arse.
United fans need to understand he is seen as a striker who doesn't score. He does a good job for the team. That is not Heskey that is more like Kuyt. Now if you watched Welbeck and Kuyt play football you would laugh at that comparison. He is not a natural goalscorer being a striker who needs games upfront we are in a tough position with him...
This is so bizarre there are no words.
It's like saying Sturridge is a slighty skilful Francis Jeffers, who only prolific in midtable club.
At the moment I'd say you can't be certain what type of player he'll end up being. All I know is that he's definitely international quality and will always be a useful player to have, but whether he's going to become a top scorer is down to how he develops between the ears. It has to come from within, he's making the right runs etc.. its about whether it clicks and he starts finding goalscoring easy.
Welbeck will probably have a similar career to Anelka, but has the potential to do much much more. I'm not sure he will fulfill it though.
Sturridge will probably have a similar career to Chamakh, or the thousands of similar strikers before him.
Sturridge will probably have a similar career to Chamakh, or the thousands of similar strikers before him.
Funny that you forgot to bold the next part of his post. All he was saying was that 'opposition fans' see Welbeck as a hard working forward that lacks goals, like we would have viewed Kuyt. He then goes on to state that there is no comparison for anybody who actually watches Welbeck. Not sure what your issue was with that post.
You're a strange lad by all accounts and you frequently seem to get the wrong message from various posts.
You think? Anelka had already commanded a 20 million transfer (back then!!!) at Welbeck's age. I think we may have to lower expectations he may not get it together until his mid-late 20's. He needs to play upfront to improve as a striker, he barely has in the last 2 years for us.
p.s Who thinks Welbeck would score as much as Sturridge if he was at Liverpool?
I reckon someone would spunk 20 million on welbeck if he was at somewhere like Barca or Ajax. And no I don't think he would have scored as many goals as Sturridge at pool.
Welbeck is extremely talented though. He needs to add more than 'just' goals to his collection though. I think he will thrive in a team that plays 4-3-3
Really? Would you pay 20 million for Pedro? Welbeck is a striker who doesn't score, even on the wings his threat is not much. He has the pace, strength, technique and skill but it doesn't come together. That is the problem with Welbeck. He has a high ceiling though but he needs games upfront. He hesitates too much also, he has a lot of talent but how long are we going to say that, we need to see some strides forward this season, double figures of goals at least. I would like if we rotated our strikers more. RVP should have been rested more at times last season.
Sturridge doesn't have a football brain.
He's the kind of player that everyone at school hated playing with, because he never passes.
He's the kind of player that everyone at school hated playing with, because he never passes.
He has more assists than Welbeck this season.
Sturridge is still selfish but his all-round game has definitely improved since his move to Liverpool and he is much more inclined to pass than he used to be.
That is why it is bizarre. Kuyt was a striker so obviously lacking in technical ability who was stuck out on the wing 'because of it' I mean literally all he did was run around defending and offer the odd inside play and late run for a goal. Welbeck is an entirely different footballer with technical ability in spades and having to 'play out on the wing' because he can't get a run up front due to superior players.
It's the most bizarre comparison on the planet. Because he plays in the same position and defends well he must be compared to Kuyt. Silly.
Kisses.
Hold the phone.. I think we've found a trump on those bizarre comments.