I see, the bizarre was not directed at me. As I said it is a comparison for people who don't actually watch him play. He is in that Ramsey pre this season bracket, were most watch him just to criticize him.
Sturridge vs Welbeck
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I see, the bizarre was not directed at me. As I said it is a comparison for people who don't actually watch him play. He is in that Ramsey pre this season bracket, were most watch him just to criticize him.
Anelka was a long way from Wellbeck at the same stage of his career. I think Wellbeck is showing maturity beyond his years in his all round game but he needs to work on his finishing. Regular games would help that but can United wait or afford to wait on him. Sturridge is now showing at a side that needed him and willing to take a risk on him just what he can do. Personally I think you should sell Wellbeck to Liverpool....
Anelka was a long way from Wellbeck at the same stage of his career. I think Wellbeck is showing maturity beyond his years in his all round game but he needs to work on his finishing. Regular games would help that but can United wait or afford to wait on him. Sturridge is now showing at a side that needed him and willing to take a risk on him just what he can do. Personally I think you should sell Wellbeck to Liverpool....
Up front in a comfortable role.
Why is everyone so sure that if Welbeck is played upfront he will score lots of goals? In 10/11 when he was largely played upfront with Rooney, he scored at less than 1 in 3, and even in that year I remember commenting on his poor cutting edge.
Infact he's never struck me as a naturally gifted goalscorer even in his reserve days. He may well improve this aspect of his game and his decision making in the future but at the moment its not there.
Now, he has other redeeming features such as his linkup play and hard work, but I'm not sure these alone will make him a starting centerforward for Man Utd. Until his improves his goal scoring and decision making in the box he will mostly be picked as a hardworking winger.
Infact he's never struck me as a naturally gifted goalscorer even in his reserve days. He may well improve this aspect of his game and his decision making in the future but at the moment its not there.
Now, he has other redeeming features such as his linkup play and hard work, but I'm not sure these alone will make him a starting centerforward for Man Utd. Until his improves his goal scoring and decision making in the box he will mostly be picked as a hardworking winger.
Amazing display of not really knowing what you're on about. Considering he didn't make a single appearance for United in the 2010/11 season. Well played.
Maybe if we plan on using him as a striker eventually, the best thing would be for us to send him out on loan like what Chelsea are doing with Lukaku (albeit Lukaku is better then what they have, but still). Sending him to a higher placed premier league side that needs a striker would let him be their key player, in his supposedly best position, and then we would just need to buy a winger or give more games to januzaj/kagawa. I know it's not going to happen because he gets plenty of games here, I just don't think he'll develop as a striker properly here at united since he's never going to play there consistently when we have Rooney, van Persie, and Hernandez at the club.
Yes I'm well aware of all that. My point was that you highlighted only one part of that other posters post, and he wasn't making a comparison between the two. You were obviously just making a general point but then again, you would never really know with you.
He meant 11/12. Other than the season he is right.
I love Welbeck and he has great potential but right now the Dirk Kuyt comparison is quite valid and if anything it's probably a tad harsh on Kuyt. He pretty much averaged 10 goals a season from the wing whilst grabbing a few assists and working just as hard as Welbeck does. Having technical ability is great but if you're not going to do much with it then it's rather pointless
I really meant that, Welbeck is a bit special, but he will probably spend his career going in and out of form with either looking brilliant or poor depending. He's not going to become the world most expensive player in total fees, unlike anelka.
Sturbridge is just a striker. When he losses some form everyone will forget about him
Sturbridge is just a striker. When he losses some form everyone will forget about him
I don't understand why England fans bemoan Welbecks selection and see him as a striker who doesn't score because he scores regular goals in an England shirt. If anyone should be moaning about his strike rate it's United fans yet we all (mostly) see his all round game and his potential.
As as an aside it was interesting to hear Sid Lowe's take on Welbeck on yesterday's Football Weekly Extra podcast. He said with most wingers/attackers you know why you're going to get but Welbeck adds unpredictability because he plays his role on the left unconventionally and described him as 'bright', with good positional awareness and what you need when you have a fullback like Baines providing the width. He was determined to get that opinion in even after they changed the subject, but I think he made some good points. Welbeck adds a lot to linking up the play when he drifts inside off the left.
Well you're a bit of a knob, aren't you?
He obviously meant the following season, where he scored 9 in the league.
Which is an even more bizarre comment to make considering that was arguably his 'breakthrough' season and his best period with the club to date playing in his natural position with a weight of responsibility on his shoulders. Why that would be brought up in a 'negative' light is certainly beyond me. It showed he has a worthy level of promise to garner enough credibility to hold down a regular first team spot. Even if it's not up front.
Suddenly it has become the Sturridge vs Welbeck vs ghaliboy thread, I guess? Lets discuss the matter and not the finer points of highlighting for emphasis on discussion.
The comparison is bad not in terms of how 'good' the players are and how much they contribute, but in terms of the vast differences between their styles. Kuyt is a workhorse, very effective but lacking much in the way of finesse. Welbeck works hard, but he's a very skilful player whose strengths are dribbling, close control and link-up play. He's got bags of finesse, but is sometimes not as effective as he should be.
So it's a daft comparison. You'd be hard pressed to think of two more different players in the same position. Calling Welbeck 'a worse Kuyt' is obviously completely wrong.
They never lost form.
I've seen Mr Hindsight on South Park. But Mr Foresight...oo la la.
For a change, I agree with ghaliboy. Lets keep this thread on topic.
Can a mod plesae change the subject to Kuyt vs Welbeck.
Can a mod plesae change the subject to Kuyt vs Welbeck.
Shouldn't it be 'Sturridge vs Upgraded Kuyt' ?
Said back in January I thought Sturridge edged it and got a lot of stick for it at the time. It seems a lot more agree now that he's at least on par if not better.
He's undoubtedly the better finisher of the two, although he is lacking in other aspects of his game that Welbeck has. The problem for Welbeck is that his best position is as a forward and in the comparison there Sturridge wins hands down at the moment, with Welbeck closing the gap because he's a hard worker who has good link-up play.
He's undoubtedly the better finisher of the two, although he is lacking in other aspects of his game that Welbeck has. The problem for Welbeck is that his best position is as a forward and in the comparison there Sturridge wins hands down at the moment, with Welbeck closing the gap because he's a hard worker who has good link-up play.
Just trying to get to your same level of logic.
Sturridge will achieve precisely feck all at international level (as he's shown so far). Danny meanwhile scores a goal every other game for his country, despite only playing up front half the time, and is already one of England's most important players.
At the end of that season he had 17 goals in his first 42 starts for the club, which is perfectly impressive for such a young striker. Since then he's started a grand total of 3 games as a CF. If he was a number nine full time he'd easily be a 1 in 2 striker, in addition to everything else he offers.
feck all this anyway, just look at this season: 6 goals in 10 starts for club and country. He's becoming prolific from the wing...
United players are always, always underrated by huge numbers of opposition fans. Until they're just too indisputably good (Ronaldo, RVP), and then they're our only good player and we're a one man team.
Meanwhile we just keep winning trophies...
At the end of that season he had 17 goals in his first 42 starts for the club, which is perfectly impressive for such a young striker. Since then he's started a grand total of 3 games as a CF. If he was a number nine full time he'd easily be a 1 in 2 striker, in addition to everything else he offers.
feck all this anyway, just look at this season: 6 goals in 10 starts for club and country. He's becoming prolific from the wing...
United players are always, always underrated by huge numbers of opposition fans. Until they're just too indisputably good (Ronaldo, RVP), and then they're our only good player and we're a one man team.
Meanwhile we just keep winning trophies...
Meanwhile on RAWK, they're discussing Sturridge v Van Persie.
I hope you're not suggesting that he's going to be in that bracket? Those two could score goals without even trying.
Saw that.
There's one United fan trying to argue sense against a deluge of BS.
Poor fecker, I can only imagine.
Saw that.
There's one United fan trying to argue sense against a deluge of BS.
RAWK has got even worse than usual recently - across the forum we've got Coutinho better than Ozil, Sakho the best defender in the league and Aspas 'one of the best squad players of any PL club.'
Sturrridge is clearly better than welbeck right now.
If you actually read the thread on RAWK the latter posts are hardly an argument, just banter.
Not "a deluge of BS".
A few digs at each other and the United fan has over 800 posts, so unless he just made them all today he seems well settled on there, and is giving as good as he is getting.
At the end of the day if you take the trouble to sign up and contribute on a rival forum - sometimes you have to take a bit of flak, but from reading that thread it looks fairly good natured to me.
Not "a deluge of BS".
A few digs at each other and the United fan has over 800 posts, so unless he just made them all today he seems well settled on there, and is giving as good as he is getting.
At the end of the day if you take the trouble to sign up and contribute on a rival forum - sometimes you have to take a bit of flak, but from reading that thread it looks fairly good natured to me.
Liverpool come to Arsenal in three weeks. There's going to be some perch falling somewhere.
Suarez showing why Wenger offered 40.000.001£ for him.
He'll be shackled by Kos the Boss who always kills him whenever we play. Ozil showing why Wenger spent £42,000,400 on him.
He'll be shackled by Kos the Boss who always kills him whenever we play. Ozil showing why Wenger spent £42,000,400 on him.
Coutinho making the pass of the game for Luis to score.
As far as a football brain, I think they both are lacking a bit there.
Sturridge is clearly better atm. I also think that Sturridge main problem is his selfishness, and that can be sorted without much problems by the right manager.
Welbeck has several problems (composure, finishing and balance) and to solve them he has to evolve his abilities and that is clearly harder.
Welbeck is overrated when it comes to his current abilities by many United supporters and underrated when it comes to his potential by other supporters.
Several things have to go Welbecks way for him to ever be good enough for a regular place at United. It's impossible to tell at this time.
Agree with this.
B20 getting a permanent ban
Alastair left all alone on the caf afterwards. Never a PM in sight.