More like he's finally adding goals to his game, which is the only thing he was missing in order to become a complete striker.
Sturridge vs Welbeck
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More like he's finally adding goals to his game, which is the only thing he was missing in order to become a complete striker.
Sorry but this is what i'm saying. Townesnd wouldn't score goals like Sturridge scored against West brom he is not capable. Sturridge touch dribbling even some of the passes he makes, is why i said he has a continental style, and its something i've said ever since i see him rip apart Liverpools youth team at 16. He is very different in style of play to Defoe and Bent and any other English striker, the way he flicks, rolls, manipulates the ball.
I think the word i'm referring to is 'flair', he has it in spades, and combine that with his ability to score goals for me he has the upside to be a top class player.
I'm also going to say Welback is a better dancer. I don't remember seeing Danny dance but he can't be any worse!
Yep but you have to remember that it was only two years ago when a number of posters were saying they would take Welbeck over Suarez, when it comes to discussing rival players some are not always the most objective.
It's essentially because his brain tended to spontaneously combust when he got near the penalty area at times in the past, and it was the only thing letting his extremely good all-round game down. He's got a great touch, is quick and strong, keeps the ball very well and is creative. If he starts adding goals, he will be extremely good. I'm not going to get ahead of myself and claim he's fated to become a top striker because he's had these starts before and not been able to push on, but I'm very hopeful.
And contrary to what you may think, I also regard Sturridge as a very good player - I was always worried about Liverpool signing him as I thought it'd be a club where he'd begin to flourish. I just don't think he's as talented a footballer as Welbeck (I've been watching him since he was 16 you know...
).Yeah, that happened.
Good word for it - he does have flair, more than Welbeck - that doesn't make him a continental player though. He is just supremely confident in his abilities, too much so in fact. He's often been accused of being greedy because he won't keep it simple and play a pass instead of going for the spectacular. To use your terminology his technique does not match his flair.
I would have Welbeck over Suarez. In fact I'd rather have Dong back than have Suarez.
Incredible footballer. Awful person.
It actually did if you don't believe me the threads are there for you to check and its not just because of Suarez behavioural prpblems either some posters generally tried to argue that Welbeck had mpre ability.
Know them both personally do you?
Welbeck ever bitten anyone or racially abused them just to try and win a game? No? Based on what we know about him he's a bright, pleasant lad.
Fair enough. I know that if Suarez was a United player, (mostly) a lot of United fans would be the ones making excuses for his behaviour, but in the context of the discussion 'who would you rather have' most fans like to take a morally superior stance
Shame Welbeck didn't play tonight. You could have done with his hot goal scoring streak.
You're in the minority. It seems United supports prefer Welbeck (fair enough), and the rest would prefer Sturridge.
Having said that is Welbeck did truly become a quality goal scorer (consistently) he could overtake Sturridge.
We can only look with envy at Lucas,Allen and Henderson.
Their is a reason you had to switch to 352 to fit Sturridge in.
Oh what you wouldn't do for a Henderson or a Lucas in that midfield of yours now.
We are not that desperate. Close to it but not quite.Their is no way in hell we would be aiming for that level of player.
We have bigger aspirations than floating around 4-8th for the next decade.
We have bigger aspirations than floating around 4-8th for the next decade.
So did we for the last decade.
Their is no way in hell we would be aiming for that level of player.
We have bigger aspirations than floating around 4-8th for the next decade.
Whatever you say bud
Would be handy in the short term, yes.
Fortunately he's showing signs of this. It's far too early to say his goal-shy tendancies are well an truly over, but I'm optimisitic he'll only continue to get bett in this respect.
What I think he most needs to add to his game (and this isn't a criticism, he's still young and this comes with experience unless you are Rooney or similar) is the ability to take a game by the scruff of the neck. He still comes across as somebody who will fit in well in a team that's playing well, but to fulfil his potential he needs to become a game changer, somebody we look to when the chips are down. Again, more regular goals will help to build this.
I don't think Henderson or Lucas are great, you are comparing in form confident players to players who are out of form, shot of confidence, they'll look a world apart obviously, but I suspect Carrick_Fellaini_Cleverly isn't a lot worse than Henderson_Lucas_Allen, if at all...
Fair enough. I think Henderson is well and truly on the way up but i don't think Lucas is as good as he was pre-injury. Jury is still well out on Allen for me but I haven't given up hope.
I like Carrick and can't understand why he is not a regular in the England set up, Cleverley not so much.
I like Carrick and can't understand why he is not a regular in the England set up, Cleverley not so much.
You can't play Fellaini and Carrick in the same midfield. Unless you're Moyes. And even he's realised you can't. Therefore you cannot even bring Carrick-Fellaini-Cleverley to the table.
I think Welbeck has all the tools to become a quality forward, and I think he would work well alongside a player like Sturridge.
Comparing Sturridge and Welbeck is like comparing Gerrard and Scholes, one player gets more headlines, while the other is clearly a better footballer.
Gerrard and Studge both being the better ones, aye.
To each his own. I can see the arguments for both ways, but I think Welbeck and Scholes are the better footballer, whereas Gerrard and Sturridge would give you more goals.
Think Welbeck will finish being considered the better player while Sturridge will have more goals to his name.
feck off.
feck off.
Scholes and Gerrard is not a debate, the ginger genius has been clearly better. Sturridge is currently better than Welbeck for me and yeah goals play an important part in that.
Welbeck isn't even better technically than Sturridge in the first place to be considered a 'better footballer'. A better teamplayer yes, but there isn't anything i've seen Welbeck do that Sturridge can't. People confuse Welbecks selflessness with him being a better footballer, even if we for one second assume Welbeck has a better 'brain' that doesn't equate to him being a better footballer at all.
And it seems some may think Welbeck is a midfielder, the way goals is being discounted in this thread.
And it seems some may think Welbeck is a midfielder, the way goals is being discounted in this thread.
That is not true. Welbeck is inconsistent but he has really good technique. You probably haven't watched a lot of Welbeck to say that. It isn't just that he is a team-player but it is his technique which enables him to be a better team player (as in the quick one-twos, flicks) and improve the overall manner in which a team plays. Also the reason he is better at the international level
Bollocks.
Welbeck = Striker (-minus goals)= Must be a midfielder... Is that how you came to that conclusion?
Not really to be honest i've seen Welbeck have more bad touches when in front of goal than Sturridge. Like i said i don't see anywhere he better Sturridge as a footballer technically, Sturridge is a better dribbler for me, can shoot with both feet adequately, and also can do all the fancy flicks and deft touches that Welbeck gets praised for.
No its because people seem keen to put more emphasis on Welbecks workrate and tactical flexibility, as if they're not both forwards who at the end of the day will be judge on their contribution in the final third.
Look at how Hernandez gets criticized because all he does is "score goals". Of course that's not his only contribution, but it shows how much goals are devalued nowadays.
Ah my apologies, so my equation was wrong, what you meant was:
Striker (+Good work rate and tactical flexibility) = midfielder.
Even if some of his major plus points involve 'good work rate' and 'Tactical Flexibility', which means runs a lot and can play more than one position, let's not split hairs.
Welbeck is good technically, that is his biggest plus I'd agree, however the same can be said that Berbatov and Ibrahimovic's best assets are their technical skills... would you consider moving them to midfield? Go look up Ibra's career when he was younger in Holland, he was nearly dropped completely after a big money move at Ajax because his goals dried up, lucky they didn't stick in centre mid