We probably should have nicked him off City instead of Chelsea...
We could have made him into an average right winger by now...
We could have made him into an average right winger by now...
Sturridge vs Welbeck
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
Level? Explain please
Welbecks stuck on the level 3 boss you see... and he doesn't have any rings.
Regardless of who is the 'better footballer' and who is less good but will score more goals - as the comparison seems to be - I'd rather have Sturridge up front than Welbeck any day. One is significantly better inside the penalty area than the other.
Levels? Welbeck isn't even on the same game as Sturridge.
It's not a competition at the moment. Welbeck is an ancilliary at best at the moment. Sturridge is doing the business every week.
The progress of Welbeck and Cleverley over the last 24 months has been very very disappointing. No denying it at all, both have stagnated.
The progress of Welbeck and Cleverley over the last 24 months has been very very disappointing. No denying it at all, both have stagnated.
I just realised two things; one, I have absolutely no clue what those levels are and they tell me nothing - is it a 1-10 level system or more arbitrary than that? Two, Welbeck is missing rings, and that is very grave indeed. Whilst typing that I also realised I haven't got a clue about anything. My mind is detonated and the bits and pieces are now floating in an abyss deep down in the North Sea.
Ah, not sure it made me a much more intelligent man, but thanks. Damn, who would think that Rafa, or anyone, could have hundreds of thousands of friends. That certainly matters - his conscience must be eating him up trying to spend time with all of them.
Welbeck is better in every way, in my opinion.
Apart from the most important way which is being a threat and scoring goals. He does tend to look more of a threat for England but United play a higher quality of teams than England do in our biggest matches. Welbeck has stagnated this season and next will be very important in determining how good he will be. He may end up leaving just because he is not going to be playing up front here any time soon.
This would explain why he's more prone to scoring in big games than in general...
Or it might be that he's looked more of a threat for England (and has a great scoring rate) because until quite recently he was invariably played up front for them.
The tread title is becoming more and more laughable. While Sturridge keeps improving, Welbeck's development has been moving at a snail's pace, if at all, for several seasons. There is no longer a contest - Sturridge is a far better player and only United supporters with the biggest red tinted glasses would even dare claim otherwise. You wont find anyone outside United who thinks Welbeck is even close to Sturridge in ability.
Where do you get the opinion he is more of a threat in bigger games?. We can discuss levels etc. but right now Sturridge is better and there is no guarantee with Welbeck improving his weaknesses as he isn't getting to play upfront. Hopefully he gets a run out tomorrow. The England point is a key one also, but we have Rooney and Van Persie, Welbeck just won't get the time upfront here.
Is this really still being discussed let alone arguments for both sides being put forth?
Really?
Really?
Apart from the odd person, it isn't really.
Good point and good choice of the word "odd". There's defo a double meaning there.
*bump*
Welbeck has 7 in 10 starts in the PL this season, against Sturridge's 9 goals in 11 starts. Can some of the footballing authorities who were so adamant in this thread inform me if there's still no comparison between them as footballers? Thanks in advance.
Welbeck has 7 in 10 starts in the PL this season, against Sturridge's 9 goals in 11 starts. Can some of the footballing authorities who were so adamant in this thread inform me if there's still no comparison between them as footballers? Thanks in advance.
@Chabon 
well played
well playedIt's absolutely staggering that being played as a striker has improved Welbeck's goal haul.
Anyone doubting his actual talent was just a bit silly really.
Anyone doubting his actual talent was just a bit silly really.
It's especially funny when you consider that Sturridge too spent a lot of time earlier in his career playing out wide (including when he was the exact age Danny is now), and while he was more prolific than Danny there (hard not to be) he was so underwhelming in his general play that he lost his place and was soon let go.
Bingo.
I've no idea how reliable 'transfermarkt' is, but according to them Danny has played 8 games centrally this season and scored seven times, and six games on the left and scored none.
I think that might conclusively prove the point.
I think that might conclusively prove the point.
If Welbeck can continue to score consistently then there really is no contest between the two.
See how quickly things can change. It only takes a few games for everything to look completely different. (See the Rooney for Mata swap threads from the summer)
It was absurd on October 28th and it's absurd now. Though all it would take is Welbeck to miss a couple of chances, Sturridge to score a couple and we'll be back here again.
It just confirms the fact that most football fans (and people in general) are idiots.
To paraphrase Fergie, it is staggering the amount of people in football that can't recognise talent.
Not least considering Danny had barely played any football this season at that point.
Yep, it's amazing how many United supporters either fully dismissed what he did in the reserves or decided that was all some kind of magical accident. He's a clinical finisher when he has confidence and now for the first time is playing with that - no doubt since he's been used regularly in his actual position.
Incredible talent and he is only scratching the surface of what he is capable of.
*quickly goes to check he wasn't one of the people who wrote Welbeck off in this thread....no, good.
Yeah, of course there's a comparison to be made about who the better player is. Since going to Liverpool Sturridge has had much more chances to lead the line than Danny, but when Danny has had the run infront of goal in a team that's been struggling he's produced the goods.
Yeah, of course there's a comparison to be made about who the better player is. Since going to Liverpool Sturridge has had much more chances to lead the line than Danny, but when Danny has had the run infront of goal in a team that's been struggling he's produced the goods.
This post was made in mid-October and their average possession % is now 55.4, just 0.4% off Spurs in 5th in the possession rankings. Obviously the rankings don't matter at all and having more possession doesn't necessarily mean you're playing better, but I do think Sturridge gives the ball away carelessly so often and doesn't offer much of a target up top that his all-round play is a hindrance to the team. He's better technically and has more vision than Defoe but he offers many of the same problems.
This is just wrong. There are some people who think Welbeck's a donkey and some who think Sturridge is a world class striker, but in between the two extremes there are plenty of people who think there's not much between them and more than a few that would take Welbeck over Sturridge. Unsurprisingly some of those are England fans who have seen Welbeck perform consistently better and score at a consistently higher rate for the national team.
The main problem is people misunderstanding Welbeck's main weakness. Finishing/touch/vision etc were never the real issue. It is and always was a mental one.
Fair dos to Sturridge. He's become a very good striker, albeit one who loses the ball fairly often and is still a bit on the selfish side.
I wouldn't swap them- Welbeck has everything I love in a striker, but Sturridge is doing very well for Liverpool and I can respect that.
I wouldn't swap them- Welbeck has everything I love in a striker, but Sturridge is doing very well for Liverpool and I can respect that.
I agree with you that it's definitely not as black and white as Brosstan says, but in general I have found non-United supporters to consider Sturridge the far better player. Not because they are right - they 100% are not - but because they don't know what they're talking about. It's the same people type of people that think Evans is a shit defender. It is extremely irritating.
It was hardly absurd on October 28th. Dont rewrite history. Not one unbiased fan would have said Welbeck was the better player at that point in time.
Its a good point that it can only take a few games for opinions to change in football though. Welbeck has done very well lately.
That might be true if you restrict the sample to people who can't see beyond goal stats.
Anyone going to touch the Balotelli debate again?
Yeah, that's not what you said though. You said it's "no longer a contest", and the Welbeck was nowhere near him ability wise, implying that Welbeck would never reach the amazing levels of Sturridge. If you've watched Welbeck for more than about 3 minutes you'd realise that was absurd
Er, and if Sturridge continues to score consistently?
I'll go on record as saying Wellbeck is surprising me. Fair play to the lad.
Its a good little purple patch Welbeck is hitting. Well done to him.