Yup. As soon as you get Danny in and around the 6 yard box, bagging those scrappy goals strikers need to build confidence, it makes a world of difference. He's a striker, a handful of a striker too. Opposition fans can turn their noses up but I can guarantee that the defenders at the clubs they support won't like the idea of facing a confident Welbeck for 90 minutes.
Sturridge vs Welbeck
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
Yup. As soon as you get Danny in and around the 6 yard box, bagging those scrappy goals strikers need to build confidence, it makes a world of difference. He's a striker, a handful of a striker too. Opposition fans can turn their noses up but I can guarantee that the defenders at the clubs they support won't like the idea of facing a confident Welbeck for 90 minutes.
No it wasnt.
The bump was to ask was a comparison still crazy as you suggested before. It's clearly not.
One calender year for Mr Sturridge too. Hardly Ronaldoesque form yet.
Sturridge will most likely always get more goals than Welbeck unless the latter becomes more single minded, even if they play in the same positions. The kind of selfless performances Welbeck is capable of in various positions though is something I will always hold in higher regard. I think Welbeck has more room for improvement and I hope he continues to fulfil it.
It's interesting though how while Welbeck was leading the line for England at a major international tournament, Sturridge was being shit at the Olympics.
Must be Sir Alex controlling the FA again
Must be Sir Alex controlling the FA again
Was it me who suggested it? Really? Brilliant. I love stuff like that.
Do you ever clink on a link to a thread from years ago, a classic perhaps, and start reading only to come across a post which makes you think either "Who's that muppet?", or "He knows his stuff", only to look and find out it was you but have no recollection commenting on it? It's a bit weird.
Inyhoo, if I did indeed suggest that a comparison between the 2 was crazy then it was probably because at the time it was indeed crazy. It's not now. Who knew?
(Apart from all you guys of course)
Was it me who suggested it? Really? Brilliant. I love stuff like that.
Do you ever clink on a link to a thread from years ago, a classic perhaps, and start reading only to come across a post which makes you think either "Who's that muppet?", or "He knows his stuff", only to look and find out it was you but have no recollection commenting on it? It's a bit weird.
Inyhoo, if I did indeed suggest that a comparison between the 2 was crazy then it was probably because at the time it was indeed crazy. It's not now. Who knew?
(Apart from all you guys of course)
No crazy, but the implication (I hate that shit) was there.
I've just realised I must say "really?" too much.
I'm Adrian Durham in disguise.
I'm Adrian Durham in disguise.
I think that was always the case. But still can't excuse some of the misses that he has had.
Welbeck is a much better all round footballer. Goalscoring is/was the only thing Sturridge has/had over Welbeck, so if that is negated then there is no contest. Big ask for Welbeck to keep it up though.
Sturridge is still better for me, Welbeck has hit a little purple patch, and fair dos to him, but sturridge has been consistent for a year, his record speaks for itself. I also think people overstate Welbecks all round game in a way to knock Sturridge who i do admit is a more greedy player, but when it comes to qualities like passing, dribbling, touch etc, i really haven't seen anything from Welbeck to suggest those parts of his game are a level above Sturridge. For all his supposed passing and vision, he doesn't make more key passes than Sturridge, neither does he create more goals for others, he has a rounded game but that doesn't always translate to him being productive.
Does he?
He is less creative, and scores less goals, but somehow he has a better all round game? He doesn't people like to act as if goalscoring Sturridge is all he has going for him, i remember the comparisons of Defoe which i used to laugh at. Its obvious people haven't followed the lads career, i've been watching him since he was 16, i was watching him when he came from the City youth team at times playing as a number 10 and one thing that always stood out was his continental style of play, for what its worth i think Welbeck is a better team player, but he hasn't yet shown he can affect teams in the final third like Sturridge has. This is why he plays less key passes per game, why he has less assists, and why he has less goals than Sturridge this season.
People just base it on the goal stats. Was having an argument with my brother about this prior to Welbeck's recent form, he said Sturridge was "much better" despite admitting that Welbeck was actually the better footballer. Surprise surprise he wasn't aware that Welbeck had up until then rarely been used up front for us.
And yeah the Evans stuff is borderline criminal, a Guardian "journalist" today suggested Joleon Lescott on loan for six months was worth considering for us as Evans made a mistake recently.
He's better than Sturridge at everything other than finishing/scoring when playing centrally.
'Key passes', probably helps when your team mates actually move off the ball so you have a chance to create stuff.
Shouldn't be a surprise, at the end of the day their both forwards, and that is what forwards are judge on goals and to a lesser extent assists, Welbeck doesn't better Sturridge in any of these, but because he can play Kuyt esque roles when needed he is a better 'footballer?
I'm sure it does, but i haven't seen anything in Welbecks game to suggest he is capable of being an incisive passer, or to suggest he is more creative than Sturridge. Fair enough you can argue that him playing wide has affected his ability to score goals this season, but at the same token, i thought if he really was the great all round footballer United fans proclaim him to be he would have made a far bigger impact in terms of creating for other teammates, but he hasn't he has 1 assist all season.
Yes.
Having the ability to do a disciplined job (not just running about, but understanding how to mark) is a massive bonus. He's marked Pirlo and your beloved Alonso brilliantly in the past, as well as done well in an attacking sense.
He isn't a better dribbler, i don't think he has a better or more consistent touch. I would say he is more of a team player, but at times i think that has been to his detriment, and to be honest at times i see it as him suffering from a lack of confidence in his own ability to actually try and impact games in ways other than running, he is a more selfless player than Sturridge for sure, but i don't see how that translates to having a better all round game all the best forwards in the world are in someway selfish.
You even been watching him recently? He's played quite a few incisive passes.. as well played his usual brilliant one touch stuff, and brought others into play.. and he's been running with the ball, beating players too.
Seriously! A guy in the Telegraph said the same thing, recommended Lescott for us to sign in January. Insane. He also suggested Walker as an upgrade on Rafael.Sniper, there's no point. Sturridge is a worse version of Defoe.
I imagine many people like myself have seen Sturridge play for four clubs now and despite not having the dedication you've shown towards this wonderful player, I'd like to think that qualifies me to offer an opinion on him. The idea that he's a "continental" player is very amusing given how inept he's looked on the international stage.
EDIT: I actually spent 5 minutes of my life watching this Sturridge video just to see where you're coming from. I don't get it. He's a decent dribbler and has an above average touch.
He does stuff like this:
...all the time, he only misfortune is that it tends to be Valencia that picks it up. Hence the lack of assists. But yeah, Kuyt.
You shouldn't agree with that nonsense. Being a 'Kuyt' type player isn't why he is better than Sturridge.
Being a more rounded player makes him a better 'footballer'. The fact that he can play as a striker and have a similar goal return to Sturridge, or play out wide and do a job like Kuyt, or even play up top and mark world class midfielders out of games, while still providing a threat makes him a good footballer.
I'm waiting for Sturridge to prove he can do it at full international level like Welbeck has, anyway. 2 goals vs 8.. bit poor from such a 'superior striker'
I imagine many people like myself have seen Sturridge play for four clubs now and despite not having the dedication you've shown towards this wonderful player, I'd like to think that qualifies me to offer an opinion on him. The idea that he's a "continental" player is very amusing given how inept he's looked on the international stage.
He's played 9 games and scored 2 goals, not great bout not embarrassing either. I'm talking about in terms of his style, and the way he manipulates the ball, thats what i mean by 'continental', what that has to do with international football i don't know, to be honest but i've learnt to take any of your opinions on Liverpool players with a pinch of salt.
How has he had a similar goal return?
You lot are incredible, when he has 20 in 26 games then you can say he has a similar goal return, and he doesn't need to play out wide or mark a world class midfield out of the game, because he is thriving as a forward, teams tend to focus on him not the other way round.
The fact certain posters are still repeating this after the year he has had just goes to show how blinkered some people are, seriously it is bordering on delusional.
Its not. He isnt in the top class bracket of strikers. Thats reserved for RVP,Augero,Rooney,Suarez etc etc.
I imagine many people like myself have seen Sturridge play for four clubs now and despite not having the dedication you've shown towards this wonderful player, I'd like to think that qualifies me to offer an opinion on him. The idea that he's a "continental" player is very amusing given how inept he's looked on the international stage.
EDIT: I actually spent 5 minutes of my life watching this Sturridge video just to see where you're coming from. I don't get it. He's a decent dribbler and has an above average touch.
Watch the game against Fulham, in fact watch the games against City, Chelsea, last season. He is more than a decent dribbler and has more than a decent touch, but if you don't get it now then i really have nothing to say, there is no point in arguing.
Yeah, that was "football journalist of the year", Mark Ogden.
Interesting.
It couldn't possibly be that my opinion is different to yours on some of these players, it must be that I'm somehow biased and unable to see the truth.
I'm still not sure what continental means, but presumably if he's better at manipulating the ball than most other English players then he'd find it much easier to adapt to the international stage? His goal record is pretty poor but that's besides the point really, it's how he's performed for the team. I was at the game v Poland and I thought he looked completely out of his depth.
Next thing you'll be telling me Andros Townsend has a continental game because he can carry the ball, has a decent touch and likes to cut inside and get involved in the middle.
This is Welbeck when he was struggling. Do you honestly think Sturridge contributes as much all-round?
I've probably watched them already this season. I probably watched that West Brom game too. It just happened to be the first video that came up. Weirdly enough, some people who've watched him dozens and dozens of times have a different view on him.
He's got 5 in 7 in the league being played as a striker, after missing a month with an injury. The only other league match he played up front was on the opening day where he scored 2.
Ok, but when you are playing against a world class deep lying playmaker and your Sturridge Suarez partnership can't get the ball because you are being passed to death in midfield, now you know why.
And what makes you think Welbeck can be, Sturridge in terms of performances has been far close to these strikers than Welbeck has in the last year, this is a fact.
Its funny because posters have been saying all throughout this thread he is just in a 'purple patch' despite him reaching 20 goals faster than any Liverpool striker in its history, despite him being one of the top scoerers of 2013 in the league, but as soon as Welbeck hits a run of 4,5 games where scores consistently, apparently this is evidence of him being able to become a world class striker.
It would probably help if you have a good midfield.
That's actually a very apt comparison.
It's not at all. It's a terrible one, the similarities stop with their race and nationality.
We can only look with envy at Lucas,Allen and Henderson.
Their is a reason you had to switch to 352 to fit Sturridge in.
What are people talking about?
Sturridge
Games: 12
Goals: 9
Shots: 41
Shots/game: 3,4
Goals/shot: 0,22
Welbeck
Games: 14
Goals: 7
Shots: 28
Shots/game: 2
Goals/shot: 0,25
The stats above implies that Sturridge scores more only because he shoots 70% more than Welbeck, probably because he gets more passes from Suarez etc and becase Welbeck doesnt always play in the striker role.
Welbeck's goal conversion rate is actually slightly higher than Sturridges.
Sturridge
Games: 12
Goals: 9
Shots: 41
Shots/game: 3,4
Goals/shot: 0,22
Welbeck
Games: 14
Goals: 7
Shots: 28
Shots/game: 2
Goals/shot: 0,25
The stats above implies that Sturridge scores more only because he shoots 70% more than Welbeck, probably because he gets more passes from Suarez etc and becase Welbeck doesnt always play in the striker role.
Welbeck's goal conversion rate is actually slightly higher than Sturridges.