Just no. I like Sturridge, but never put him in a sentence including two of the goalscoring legends in British football.
Sturridge vs Welbeck
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I must say that Sturridge is certainly looking a whole level above.
If Welbeck can reach Sturridges current level I would be thrilled. As is, he is miles behind.
Sturridge has found his level. He is the new Defoe.
Sturridge is on a different planet to Welbeck.
Quite ridiculous how Liverpool signing Sturridge was laughed away in January on these forums. Was clear even then that he was a very good talent
I had my doubts then. So much for letting this forum influence me.
He just needs to keep it up, he's hard purple patches before (though not to this level)... I do think he'll keep it going though.
Welbeck really needs to crack on when you compare.
Welbeck really needs to crack on when you compare.
In a way, Sturridge has got lucky / made the right move.
If Welbeck found himself as the only other striker alongside Rooney, who's to say how well he could progress? Think back to how he did on loan as a BF in a SP.
If Welbeck found himself as the only other striker alongside Rooney, who's to say how well he could progress? Think back to how he did on loan as a BF in a SP.
Sturridge plays every week and has been very impressive. Rodgers has made some great signings.
Welbeck well behind at the moment, I thought about how ridiculous Sturridge's dances were but then remembered how rarely we get to see Danny celebrate. I do think Welbeck would be doing much better by actually playing up front but yeah he needs to add that killer instinct to his game.
Spot on in my opinion. Welbeck plays a handful of matches as striker for us, and has to compete against Rooney and RvP, as well as a far superior finisher in Chicharito every week. I think he would walk into the first eleven of any team in the PL barred City and Chelsea.
And Liverpool, obviously.
To be honest, although I know it is our job as fans to defend our players - but I do think we constantly over-mitigate for our players' performances on here. On the other hand, it doesn't take an in-depth analysis to dismiss somebody else's players. The obsession that our players must operate in these absolute perfect conditions/settings for them to be accountable for performance is too much. For any United player to be able to be assessed, he must be at least 10 games into a consecutive run of matches since his last injury, playing in an exact area of the pitch, with the right, specific teammates alongside him, with the team playing an exact system. Oh yea, they must also have been in the team for at least one full season.
As I said, if we went through the same parameters to assess rival players before calling them not good enough, we would rate many of them higher.
A player like Januzaj, for example, has come into a struggling team, probably not playing in his ideal position, and performed brilliantly from the offset. Too many excuses are made for people not delivering. We may keep throwing up all these 'ifs' in the Welbeck/Sturridge debate, but the fact is, if years go by with things the same - all that would matter is that Sturridge is the better player. It's like people insisting Fabio is better than Rafael, 'if only'. He may have been better at 15, who knows. However, he isn't now.
Rodgers has a system and Sturridge fits it perfectly. No surprise to see him playing so well.
I said I would take Lukaku over Welbeck before last season and was laughed off. Not sure why it doesn't click for him, he's technically as good as if not better than Sturridge, Lukaku, he's quicker than both.
It must be his attitude, he's not selfish enough and too often has to play a game that fits the team and not him.
It must be his attitude, he's not selfish enough and too often has to play a game that fits the team and not him.
What 'system' is that? One with two strikers? It isn't the most complex, he hasn't carved out some sort of niche role for Sturridge. Over-analysing for me, Sturridge is simply a good player. He's playing well and getting goals now, he played well and got goals in a different system last season, he played well and got goals at Chelsea and did the same at Bolton.
Finishing and shit dancing = Sturridge
Everything else = Welbeck
Everything else = Welbeck
Hmmm Sturridge on his way to hyperjump to top 17 strikers level... Welbeck trudging through quicksand with flappy duck feet when entering the 22 yard area...
Is it a comparison these days between the two? One is playing regularly and scoring goals. Welbeck isn't.
No it isn't and I like Welbeck quite a lot but Sturridge is at level 5, Welbeck isn't even level 4.
You spastics still going on with this?
Welbeck doesn't score all that much because he basically never plays up front. Even Rooney dropped to scoring about one in three when he was used out wide consistently. He should still score more than he does from his wide position (though he's managed three in six starts this season) but it's utterly banal to use goals scored to make a comparison with Sturridge.
Welbeck is obviously a better footballer, which is why, despite being a year younger, he's a regular and a very important player for his country and the biggest club in the land and has achieved a huge amount in his short career. Sturridge, on the other hand, was let go from a top club for a trivial amount of money and has done nothing at international level or in Europe. He's a good, instinctive striker, but he's nothing special. He'll score 15-20 goals a season for a few years and Liverpool fans will constantly insist he's world class (especially when Suarez fecks off), which is geat for the money they paid, but he'll always be a limited player.
Welbeck doesn't score all that much because he basically never plays up front. Even Rooney dropped to scoring about one in three when he was used out wide consistently. He should still score more than he does from his wide position (though he's managed three in six starts this season) but it's utterly banal to use goals scored to make a comparison with Sturridge.
Welbeck is obviously a better footballer, which is why, despite being a year younger, he's a regular and a very important player for his country and the biggest club in the land and has achieved a huge amount in his short career. Sturridge, on the other hand, was let go from a top club for a trivial amount of money and has done nothing at international level or in Europe. He's a good, instinctive striker, but he's nothing special. He'll score 15-20 goals a season for a few years and Liverpool fans will constantly insist he's world class (especially when Suarez fecks off), which is geat for the money they paid, but he'll always be a limited player.
I don't think thats true. When he's playing well I agree with you but when he's not he has a tendency to drop his head and take on ridiculous shots.
must be a teacher
level 5? level 4?
I hope you were being sarcastic in the usage of the terms
sturridge is racing away at an alarming rate. Progress has been way better than I expected at Liverpool.
Watched the highlights package and I was not surprised that Gerrard gave him a monster serve after he didn't play him in with a 3 yard forward pass and ballooned a shot 20 yards over the bar from 25 yards out.
level 5? level 4?
I hope you were being sarcastic in the usage of the terms
A bit of a whoosh moment. I was taking the piss mainly because of the RAWK fan who commented that Fergie was at level 4 whilst Paisley was a level 5 manager
Think the difference has been the clubs he's been at. Out of the spotlight at Bolton allowed him to work on his game,at Chelsea he started to show signs but was played out on the wing.Now they've given him a massive confidence boost at Liverpool
thought so, but it wasn't very clear because of the first part of the post
His finishing is like RvP's, just obviously not on the same level, but when he hits it well it flies in.
He's not as intelligent nor has he the raw power but ATM he doesn't need to be, he's very confident and believes he'll score every time.Welbeck has confidence in possession but not in front of goal
Yeah apologies, the first part was actually serious. The 2nd part was me being a bit bitter really. Welbeck seems like a nice lad but Sturridge is currently a better player
Can all change, Welbeck needs one season where it all goes right for him to kick on. But unfortunately not all players do kick on.
How many seasons does he need? We have Will Keane on his way back...would he be worse? I don't think so.
We'll have Wilson knocking on the door soon, Henriquez who's learning fast...
Yeah he does have trouble in that respect but Keane and Wilson are at least 2 seasons away for me. I think Keane would be even more ineffective than Welbeck in the role he plays in. If Henriquez has a great season then he may not get many further chances.
The one thing Welbeck has going for him in remaining at the club for more than just this and next year is his versatility which all managers love.
fastest player to score 20 goals in a liverpool shirt. 21 goals from 27 matches so far.
I truly do hope he has found his level.
Just read his latest interview. He gives himself a 6 out of 10, possibly a generous 7 if pushed. Talked about where he feels he can improve, heading, angles, right foot, etc. So no, he has not found his level. 
Playing for a club who will finish around 6th is his level if he wants to be a regular starter. Not even close to an RVP,Augero etc etc.
Rubbish, in his position a lot would of stayed at Chelsea, picked up a nice salary, not bothered and slowly have been forgotten about. He has gone to a club with ambition to improve where he will get games and has improved beyond recognition. Credit to the guy for not staying in the comfort zone and trying to do what is best for his career as a footballer.