Stars and Reserves Draft - Winner: Gio

Terry easily, souness gets his respect.

I guess the question would be aimed at the forum as a whole as opposed to the draft community, especially with souness adding an r to his name in recent years
 
He leaked goals left, right and center just a year ago.

Yeah so I agree with you on the whole that van Dijk's short peak should count against him. I'd imagine most think that. That said I don't agree with your portrayal of him before his peak. He was bought for a huge fee for a reason.
 
Unfortunately, I'd say the former PSG player Godwin Okpara but the competition is not so easy with guys like Robert Rozier and Peter Storey.
 
Unfortunately, I'd say the former PSG player Godwin Okpara but the competition is not so easy with guys like Robert Rozier and Peter Storey.

Just had a quick Google of him. We have a new winner. May be this could be the start of a fair play rating of teams to win in cases of a draw. The side with the most virtuous players wins.
 
Just had a quick Google of him. We have a new winner. May be this could be the start of a fair play rating of teams to win in cases of a draw. The side with the most virtuous players wins.
Good idea. It used to be the case that we all filled our teams full of bastards and nutjobs in the hope their extra commitment to winning would get them over the line.
 
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@Physiocrat
 
1. GodShaveTheQueen - 1) *D. Dzajic 2) *K. Hamrin 3) O. Sivori 4) I. Netto 5) R. Bonhof 6) I. Rush 7) R. Ferri 8) C. Azpiliceuta 9) N. Hidegkuti

2. Brwned - 1) *M. Laudrup 2) M. Salah 3) ^L. Sane 4) R. Varane 5) *L. Modric 6) *L. Junior 7) Leandro 8) S. Ramos 9) H. Kane

3. Michaelf7777777/cubemine - 1) R. Bochini 2) G. Bulgarelli 3. R. Benetti 4) Germano (POR) 5) R. Gordillo 6) D. Bertoni 7) I. Casillas 8) M. Fazlagic 9) G. Chiellini

4. Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard - 1) N. Liedholm 2) *O. Blokhin 3) E. Francescoli 4) A. Benarrivo 5) K. De Bruyne 6) Maicon 7) J. Terry 8) J. Mascherano 9) D. De Gea

5. EAP/Indy/OneNil - 1) *U. Seeler 2) W. Sagnol 3) *B. Lizarazu 4) D. Blanchflower 5) L. Brady 6) G. Popescu 7) *Kaka 8) ^R. Neves 9) G. Mendieta

6. Jim Beam/Invictus - 1) *H. Stoichkov 2) F. Albert 3) *J. Bozsik 4) D. Villa 5) M. Silva 6) A. Amaro 7) O. Kahn 8) G. Buchwald 9) L. Pereira

7. Don Alfredo - 1) *P. Nedved 2) C. Vieri 3) J. Heynckes 4) P. Evra 5) V. van Dijk 6) ^M. De Ligt 7) C. Gamarra 8) Jorginho 9) *G. Souness

8. P-Nut0712/Arbitrium - 1) Neymar 2) ^J. Kimmich 3) J. Veron 4) *K-H Schnellinger 5) C. Puyol 6) N. Stiles 7) *A. Shesternyov 8) *G. Batistuta 9) G. van Bronckhorst

9. Moby - 1) *Jairzinho 2) *Rivelino 3) *B. Schuster 4) ^L. Hernandez 5) R. Bratseth 6) S. Lerby 7) M. Essien 8) P. Rossi 9) D. Petrescu

10. green_smiley -1) K. Keegan 2) A. Simonsen 3) F. Ribery 4) H-G Schwarzenbeck 5) *E. Gerets 6) H. Blankenburg 7) *H-P Briegel 8) V. Jugovic 9) ^B. Pavard

11. Gio - 1) *F. Gento 2) D. Savicevic 3) H. Sanchez 4) W. Schulz 5) B. Bremner 6) *G. Rivera 7) R. Rosato 8) R. Dzodzuashvili 9) P. Jennings

12. Physiocrat - 1) *T. Finney 2) J. Barnes 3) M. Olsen 4) *W. Overath 5. M. Tassotti 6. H. Crespo 7) E. Hughes 8) F. Collovati 9) Raul

13. MJJ - 1) N. Kante 2) P. Pogba 3) W. Rooney 4) *Marcelo 5) K. Mbappe 6) O .Bergmark 7) ^M. Skriniar 8) K. Samson

14. Ecstatic - 1) *J. Greaves 2) *D. Beckham 3) *R. Giggs 4) *P. Vieira 5) K. Dalglish 6) D. Mackay 7) J. Armfield 8) J. Popluhár

15. Skizzo - 1) E. Cantona 2) A. Shearer 3) A. Hansen 4) D. Irwin 5) R. Donadoni 6) T. Adams 7) P. Shilton 8) P. Cocu

16. Himannv/2mufc0 - 1) *R. Kopa 2) A. Costacurta 3) E. Hazard 4) S. Aguero 5) S. Effenberg 6) G. Bale 7) *M. Amoros 8) G. Zambrotta
 
I have to agree with this actually. Great player but an 8 year affair with brothers wife when you are rich and famous and could get any other girl is as low as it gets.

Not really. The expectation for sportspeople to be some kind of holier than thou Saints is just unreasonable and plain mental. And an affair is just so commonplace in society to have special significance in sports. Rooney anyone?

Terry was just a scum.of a person. Racist and has no ethics. Those are worse than any affairs.
 
Not really. The expectation for sportspeople to be some kind of holier than thou Saints is just unreasonable and plain mental. And an affair is just so commonplace in society to have special significance in sports. Rooney anyone?

Terry was just a scum.of a person. Racist and has no ethics. Those are worse than any affairs.

Brothers wife pillow. How is that common place?
 
nah, couldnt care less if you are a rich fecker like Giggs or a homeless there is just no defence to what he did, he is comfortably the biggest scum out of Terry and Stoichkov, didnt google others that ecs posted.
 
I was more pissed with Giggs expecting to be United manager with zero experience rather than his personal life crap. Adultery is not exactly a crime and pretty much out of the football field, so as a football fan, I don't care that much. While the brother part is gross, it more or less moves into the Kim Kardashian section of news, rather than the sports page for me.

With Terry, everything was football related. Racism towards a fellow footballer, shagging a teammate's wife, etc. Hence the more profound hate in general I suppose.
 
1. GodShaveTheQueen - 1) *D. Dzajic 2) *K. Hamrin 3) O. Sivori 4) I. Netto 5) R. Bonhof 6) I. Rush 7) R. Ferri 8) C. Azpiliceuta 9) N. Hidegkuti

2. Brwned - 1) *M. Laudrup 2) M. Salah 3) ^L. Sane 4) R. Varane 5) *L. Modric 6) *L. Junior 7) Leandro 8) S. Ramos 9) H. Kane

3. Michaelf7777777/cubemine - 1) R. Bochini 2) G. Bulgarelli 3. R. Benetti 4) Germano (POR) 5) R. Gordillo 6) D. Bertoni 7) I. Casillas 8) M. Fazlagic 9) G. Chiellini

4. Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard - 1) N. Liedholm 2) *O. Blokhin 3) E. Francescoli 4) A. Benarrivo 5) K. De Bruyne 6) Maicon 7) J. Terry 8) J. Mascherano 9) D. De Gea

5. EAP/Indy/OneNil - 1) *U. Seeler 2) W. Sagnol 3) *B. Lizarazu 4) D. Blanchflower 5) L. Brady 6) G. Popescu 7) *Kaka 8) ^R. Neves 9) G. Mendieta

6. Jim Beam/Invictus - 1) *H. Stoichkov 2) F. Albert 3) *J. Bozsik 4) D. Villa 5) M. Silva 6) A. Amaro 7) O. Kahn 8) G. Buchwald 9) L. Pereira

7. Don Alfredo - 1) *P. Nedved 2) C. Vieri 3) J. Heynckes 4) P. Evra 5) V. van Dijk 6) ^M. De Ligt 7) C. Gamarra 8) Jorginho 9) *G. Souness

8. P-Nut0712/Arbitrium - 1) Neymar 2) ^J. Kimmich 3) J. Veron 4) *K-H Schnellinger 5) C. Puyol 6) N. Stiles 7) *A. Shesternyov 8) *G. Batistuta 9) G. van Bronckhorst

9. Moby - 1) *Jairzinho 2) *Rivelino 3) *B. Schuster 4) ^L. Hernandez 5) R. Bratseth 6) S. Lerby 7) M. Essien 8) P. Rossi 9) D. Petrescu

10. green_smiley -1) K. Keegan 2) A. Simonsen 3) F. Ribery 4) H-G Schwarzenbeck 5) *E. Gerets 6) H. Blankenburg 7) *H-P Briegel 8) V. Jugovic 9) ^B. Pavard

11. Gio - 1) *F. Gento 2) D. Savicevic 3) H. Sanchez 4) W. Schulz 5) B. Bremner 6) *G. Rivera 7) R. Rosato 8) R. Dzodzuashvili 9) P. Jennings

12. Physiocrat - 1) *T. Finney 2) J. Barnes 3) M. Olsen 4) *W. Overath 5. M. Tassotti 6. H. Crespo 7) E. Hughes 8) F. Collovati 9) Raul

13. MJJ - 1) N. Kante 2) P. Pogba 3) W. Rooney 4) *Marcelo 5) K. Mbappe 6) O .Bergmark 7) ^M. Skriniar 8) K. Samson 9) *P. Vierchowod

14. Ecstatic - 1) *J. Greaves 2) *D. Beckham 3) *R. Giggs 4) *P. Vieira 5) K. Dalglish 6) D. Mackay 7) J. Armfield 8) J. Popluhár

15. Skizzo - 1) E. Cantona 2) A. Shearer 3) A. Hansen 4) D. Irwin 5) R. Donadoni 6) T. Adams 7) P. Shilton 8) P. Cocu

16. Himannv/2mufc0 - 1) *R. Kopa 2) A. Costacurta 3) E. Hazard 4) S. Aguero 5) S. Effenberg 6) G. Bale 7) *M. Amoros 8) G. Zambrotta
 
nah, couldnt care less if you are a rich fecker like Giggs or a homeless there is just no defence to what he did, he is comfortably the biggest scum out of Terry and Stoichkov, didnt google others that ecs posted.
Missed the most vile of them all then. Bar none.
 
Not really. The expectation for sportspeople to be some kind of holier than thou Saints is just unreasonable and plain mental. And an affair is just so commonplace in society to have special significance in sports. Rooney anyone?

Terry was just a scum.of a person. Racist and has no ethics. Those are worse than any affairs.

It is a normal expectation for people not to have a decade long affair with their siblings' spouse. If anyone I knew did that I would think it's despicable and disgusting, as would the vast majority of people in the vast majority of scenarios. It has nothing to do with him being a public figure.
 
1. GodShaveTheQueen - 1) *D. Dzajic 2) *K. Hamrin 3) O. Sivori 4) I. Netto 5) R. Bonhof 6) I. Rush 7) R. Ferri 8) C. Azpiliceuta 9) N. Hidegkuti

2. Brwned - 1) *M. Laudrup 2) M. Salah 3) ^L. Sane 4) R. Varane 5) *L. Modric 6) *L. Junior 7) Leandro 8) S. Ramos 9) H. Kane

3. Michaelf7777777/cubemine - 1) R. Bochini 2) G. Bulgarelli 3. R. Benetti 4) Germano (POR) 5) R. Gordillo 6) D. Bertoni 7) I. Casillas 8) M. Fazlagic 9) G. Chiellini

4. Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard - 1) N. Liedholm 2) *O. Blokhin 3) E. Francescoli 4) A. Benarrivo 5) K. De Bruyne 6) Maicon 7) J. Terry 8) J. Mascherano 9) D. De Gea

5. EAP/Indy/OneNil - 1) *U. Seeler 2) W. Sagnol 3) *B. Lizarazu 4) D. Blanchflower 5) L. Brady 6) G. Popescu 7) *Kaka 8) ^R. Neves 9) G. Mendieta

6. Jim Beam/Invictus - 1) *H. Stoichkov 2) F. Albert 3) *J. Bozsik 4) D. Villa 5) M. Silva 6) A. Amaro 7) O. Kahn 8) G. Buchwald 9) L. Pereira

7. Don Alfredo - 1) *P. Nedved 2) C. Vieri 3) J. Heynckes 4) P. Evra 5) V. van Dijk 6) ^M. De Ligt 7) C. Gamarra 8) Jorginho 9) *G. Souness

8. P-Nut0712/Arbitrium - 1) Neymar 2) ^J. Kimmich 3) J. Veron 4) *K-H Schnellinger 5) C. Puyol 6) N. Stiles 7) *A. Shesternyov 8) *G. Batistuta 9) G. van Bronckhorst

9. Moby - 1) *Jairzinho 2) *Rivelino 3) *B. Schuster 4) ^L. Hernandez 5) R. Bratseth 6) S. Lerby 7) M. Essien 8) P. Rossi 9) D. Petrescu

10. green_smiley -1) K. Keegan 2) A. Simonsen 3) F. Ribery 4) H-G Schwarzenbeck 5) *E. Gerets 6) H. Blankenburg 7) *H-P Briegel 8) V. Jugovic 9) ^B. Pavard

11. Gio - 1) *F. Gento 2) D. Savicevic 3) H. Sanchez 4) W. Schulz 5) B. Bremner 6) *G. Rivera 7) R. Rosato 8) R. Dzodzuashvili 9) P. Jennings

12. Physiocrat - 1) *T. Finney 2) J. Barnes 3) M. Olsen 4) *W. Overath 5. M. Tassotti 6. H. Crespo 7) E. Hughes 8) F. Collovati 9) Raul

13. MJJ - 1) N. Kante 2) P. Pogba 3) W. Rooney 4) *Marcelo 5) K. Mbappe 6) O .Bergmark 7) ^M. Skriniar 8) K. Samson 9) *P. Vierchowod

14. Ecstatic - 1) *J. Greaves 2) *D. Beckham 3) *R. Giggs 4) *P. Vieira 5) K. Dalglish 6) D. Mackay 7) J. Armfield 8) J. Popluhár 9) J. Giles

15. Skizzo - 1) E. Cantona 2) A. Shearer 3) A. Hansen 4) D. Irwin 5) R. Donadoni 6) T. Adams 7) P. Shilton 8) P. Cocu

16. Himannv/2mufc0 - 1) *R. Kopa 2) A. Costacurta 3) E. Hazard 4) S. Aguero 5) S. Effenberg 6) G. Bale 7) *M. Amoros 8) G. Zambrotta

@Skizzo
 
1. GodShaveTheQueen - 1) *D. Dzajic 2) *K. Hamrin 3) O. Sivori 4) I. Netto 5) R. Bonhof 6) I. Rush 7) R. Ferri 8) C. Azpiliceuta 9) N. Hidegkuti

2. Brwned - 1) *M. Laudrup 2) M. Salah 3) ^L. Sane 4) R. Varane 5) *L. Modric 6) *L. Junior 7) Leandro 8) S. Ramos 9) H. Kane

3. Michaelf7777777/cubemine - 1) R. Bochini 2) G. Bulgarelli 3. R. Benetti 4) Germano (POR) 5) R. Gordillo 6) D. Bertoni 7) I. Casillas 8) M. Fazlagic 9) G. Chiellini

4. Šjor Bepo/Pat_Mustard - 1) N. Liedholm 2) *O. Blokhin 3) E. Francescoli 4) A. Benarrivo 5) K. De Bruyne 6) Maicon 7) J. Terry 8) J. Mascherano 9) D. De Gea

5. EAP/Indy/OneNil - 1) *U. Seeler 2) W. Sagnol 3) *B. Lizarazu 4) D. Blanchflower 5) L. Brady 6) G. Popescu 7) *Kaka 8) ^R. Neves 9) G. Mendieta

6. Jim Beam/Invictus - 1) *H. Stoichkov 2) F. Albert 3) *J. Bozsik 4) D. Villa 5) M. Silva 6) A. Amaro 7) O. Kahn 8) G. Buchwald 9) L. Pereira

7. Don Alfredo - 1) *P. Nedved 2) C. Vieri 3) J. Heynckes 4) P. Evra 5) V. van Dijk 6) ^M. De Ligt 7) C. Gamarra 8) Jorginho 9) *G. Souness

8. P-Nut0712/Arbitrium - 1) Neymar 2) ^J. Kimmich 3) J. Veron 4) *K-H Schnellinger 5) C. Puyol 6) N. Stiles 7) *A. Shesternyov 8) *G. Batistuta 9) G. van Bronckhorst

9. Moby - 1) *Jairzinho 2) *Rivelino 3) *B. Schuster 4) ^L. Hernandez 5) R. Bratseth 6) S. Lerby 7) M. Essien 8) P. Rossi 9) D. Petrescu

10. green_smiley -1) K. Keegan 2) A. Simonsen 3) F. Ribery 4) H-G Schwarzenbeck 5) *E. Gerets 6) H. Blankenburg 7) *H-P Briegel 8) V. Jugovic 9) ^B. Pavard

11. Gio - 1) *F. Gento 2) D. Savicevic 3) H. Sanchez 4) W. Schulz 5) B. Bremner 6) *G. Rivera 7) R. Rosato 8) R. Dzodzuashvili 9) P. Jennings

12. Physiocrat - 1) *T. Finney 2) J. Barnes 3) M. Olsen 4) *W. Overath 5. M. Tassotti 6. H. Crespo 7) E. Hughes 8) F. Collovati 9) Raul

13. MJJ - 1) N. Kante 2) P. Pogba 3) W. Rooney 4) *Marcelo 5) K. Mbappe 6) O .Bergmark 7) ^M. Skriniar 8) K. Samson 9) *P. Vierchowod

14. Ecstatic - 1) *J. Greaves 2) *D. Beckham 3) *R. Giggs 4) *P. Vieira 5) K. Dalglish 6) D. Mackay 7) J. Armfield 8) J. Popluhár 9) J. Giles

15. Skizzo - 1) E. Cantona 2) A. Shearer 3) A. Hansen 4) D. Irwin 5) R. Donadoni 6) T. Adams 7) P. Shilton 8) P. Cocu 9) R. Pires

16. Himannv/2mufc0 - 1) *R. Kopa 2) A. Costacurta 3) E. Hazard 4) S. Aguero 5) S. Effenberg 6) G. Bale 7) *M. Amoros 8) G. Zambrotta

@Himannv @2mufc0
 
Brothers wife pillow. How is that common place?
It is a normal expectation for people not to have a decade long affair with their siblings' spouse. If anyone I knew did that I would think it's despicable and disgusting, as would the vast majority of people in the vast majority of scenarios. It has nothing to do with him being a public figure.

Not the act itself. Assuming your best friend was having a affair with a married women, would you give up the friendship?

It really is a despicable act, but imo racism > affairs of any kind.
 
Not the act itself. Assuming your best friend was having a affair with a married women, would you give up the friendship?

It really is a despicable act, but imo racism > affairs of any kind.

if its a random couple i couldnt care less.
 
Not the act itself. Assuming your best friend was having a affair with a married women, would you give up the friendship?

It really is a despicable act, but imo racism > affairs of any kind.

The reason it is dispicable is because its his brothers wife. In that case, i would tell him he deserves better and it depends if there are kids involved or not.

@Skizzo nice pick, was wondering when he would be picked.