The Ewoks are brutal as feck. Vader spends an entire film trying to track down Luke and the rebels to get them into his grasp. The Ewoks manage it within ten minutes, all the while engaging in effective guerrilla warfare against an imperial government with far superior arms. Then the Ewoks celebrate victory by eating them. Wouldn't be surprised if it's revealed Snoke was working for those little feckers and they're controlling everything. They should be at this rate.
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The Ewoks are brutal as feck. Vader spends an entire film trying to track down Luke and the rebels to get them into his grasp. The Ewoks manage it within ten minutes, all the while engaging in effective guerrilla warfare against an imperial government with far superior arms. Then the Ewoks celebrate victory by eating them. Wouldn't be surprised if it's revealed Snoke was working for those little feckers and they're controlling everything. They should be at this rate.
One thing I only noticed when watching it a second time was when Kylo and Luke were facing each other, each time Kylo moved his feet you saw the red appear underneath the salt. When Luke slid his feet, there was no red. Pretty cool that they put that in there before you knew he was not really there.
What I’m most disappointed about is that there are no decent one liners.
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Yet liberal media organizations openly acknowledge having such an agenda. As I said in a previous post, the BBC doesn't deny favouring women and minorities: they're proud of discriminating against white males!
As for the 'global audience' argument, the casting of a black male lead certainly won't help the movie's commercial prospects in China, India or Japan. Films with predominantly black casts are rarely even distributed in such countries. And Asia is hardly noted for its enlightened attitude to the role of women in society.
I'm pretty sure I read an interview with the editor, or someone else creatively involved, (Although I can't find the link) boasting about this attention to detail. e.g: Luke doesn't physically touch Ren at all, he just dodges his blade. He doesn't disturb the salt. Etc.
So on my second watch through I paid attention to this, and it's not even consistent: Luke's ghost holds Leia's head and kisses her in the scene before, as well as handing her the gold dice. At best, he can physically interact when he wants to and for some reason doesn't want to interact with Ren and the ground. At worst it's sloppy film making. Not a big thing, but if you are going to boast about it in interviews, at least make sure it is spot on.
Did you not notice the significant looks they give each other when their hands "touch"? She's not doing that for the dice.
Leia clearly realises during their interaction that he's not really there. It was spot on.
Leaving aside the questions that raises about Leia’s non-response when Poe (I think it was Poe) says there must be another way out because Luke physically got in (perhaps she used the force to know there was a way out. I mean that’s the only explanation for Luke’s plan anyway. That he somehow knew/saw there was another way out) - you cannot deny that both Leia and Kylo Ren physically interact with the dice.
I honestly don’t think it matters at all in the context of the things the movie does terribly, but I just found it amusing that they drew attention to their clever hints when they aren’t even consistent.
Can't believe it, it's fake.
Why would anyone pretend to be someone else on the internet?! Ridiculous.
Tbh glad you posted it. Gave a good topic to discuss.
Not sure what you are saying, but I am hearing that you can’t prove your silly assertions about Disney so you are switching the subject.
The film’s commercial prospects don’t rely significantly on those markets if the Force Awakens was any guide. But frankly I can’t be arsed to argue with you. Enjoy your prejudice, I hope you grow out of it.
I think snoke is still alive, he must have projected his body like luke to test kylo's loyalty.
Well I saw it last night and although it was long, it was not an ordeal, nor did it drag. it held my attention and it was nice to feel that I did not know where the story was going, unlike TFA where it became obvious JJ Abrams was doing his "reboot" trick of just copying an old film plot and tweaking the details.
There is a lot of plots and sub stories going on that will i think lead to other stories in the remaining film. I just had a problem with one scene...
I felt the film had new and unusual angles of star wars mythology, with different role models and different approaches taken above and beyond a simple good vs Evil tale.
It has great female role models who have many dimensions and depth.
It looked visually stunning and manages to achieve an upbeat ending even though the film shows the rebellion at a low ebb.
There is a lot of plots and sub stories going on that will i think lead to other stories in the remaining film. I just had a problem with one scene...
Ok the General Leia floating in space and then "flying back into the ship" scene was a bit of a problem for me.
Firstly the CGI looked really bad and made me feel like I was watching a quidditch game in an early Harry Potter film.
Secondly she had never shown any evidence of physical control of the force before, only a sensitivity to the disturbances in the force/ link to those close to her.
Thirdly it would surely be a more sensible plot point for her as de-facto shadow President that she would have a dedicated escape pod on the ship, like on Air force One? Couldn't Admiral Akhbar have seen the bridge being targeted / the incoming attack and thrown her into the pod, that then survives the explosive decompression.
I can only think that this scene was part of a new development of Leia into a more physical manifestation of the force in preparation for the third film, but it felt poorly executed to me and redundant if Leia is going to be a more minor character in the 3rd Film now because of Carrie Fishers death.
Firstly the CGI looked really bad and made me feel like I was watching a quidditch game in an early Harry Potter film.
Secondly she had never shown any evidence of physical control of the force before, only a sensitivity to the disturbances in the force/ link to those close to her.
Thirdly it would surely be a more sensible plot point for her as de-facto shadow President that she would have a dedicated escape pod on the ship, like on Air force One? Couldn't Admiral Akhbar have seen the bridge being targeted / the incoming attack and thrown her into the pod, that then survives the explosive decompression.
I can only think that this scene was part of a new development of Leia into a more physical manifestation of the force in preparation for the third film, but it felt poorly executed to me and redundant if Leia is going to be a more minor character in the 3rd Film now because of Carrie Fishers death.
I felt the film had new and unusual angles of star wars mythology, with different role models and different approaches taken above and beyond a simple good vs Evil tale.
It has great female role models who have many dimensions and depth.
It looked visually stunning and manages to achieve an upbeat ending even though the film shows the rebellion at a low ebb.
My friend had a fair comment on Leia, she's always been force sensitive as you point out but never been put in this near death situation. So it is feasible that it triggered something in her. Whether its a permanent change or if it was leading somewhere else before Carrie Fisher's death we'll never know unless someone reveals the original plans after the 3rd release. But it was very ill fitting given what we have seen/know so far.
Finally got to watch it yesterday. Very enjoyable film I felt. Few weak points in my mind...
I did like how they brought Luke’s story to conclusion and I thought the whole Ben Swolo and Rey story developed fairly well. As with Po.
1. Captain Hodors jump into hyperspace to wreck the first order fleet was impossible given they transmitted all the fuel to the transport vessels and they had little fuel to begin with.
2. Leia being able to move through space despite never been shown to have any ability in using the force.
3. Snoke seemed very powerful but was snuffed out too easily and before his backstory was even remotely explained.
2. Leia being able to move through space despite never been shown to have any ability in using the force.
3. Snoke seemed very powerful but was snuffed out too easily and before his backstory was even remotely explained.
I did like how they brought Luke’s story to conclusion and I thought the whole Ben Swolo and Rey story developed fairly well. As with Po.
Nah, I don’t think so.
All Luke could do was project himself and create an illusion. Snoke was moving Rey about like a rag doll and shredding her mind. How could he make full use of the force in one location while being in a different one?
I'm basically trolling at this point but what's the big deal about not getting any back story for Snoke? He's just a generic villain. Looks scary, gets killed. Job done. We've seen it loads of time before without this sort of criticism. How many people cared that we didn't get any back story for Boba Fett, Jabba the Hut or Darth Maul?
Also, the original trilogy featured this emperor dude who we never found out jack shit about over the course of the three movies and this wasn't an issue at all. His back story didn't come out until the prequels, decades later.
Also, the original trilogy featured this emperor dude who we never found out jack shit about over the course of the three movies and this wasn't an issue at all. His back story didn't come out until the prequels, decades later.
The same way that he did it to Hux at the start of the film.
To be fair, shit loads of people. Those characters went down really well with fans and had their own books and comics. So much so that Darth Maul survived being cut in half by Obi Wan and reappeared with metal robot spider legs. There's even talk of a Boba Fett movie.
I think the general gist, at least for me, is that just because they did that in the past then why couldn't they make it worthwhile now? Going back to previous mistakes isn't an excuse. For others, I guess the story has grown to be something much bigger than the original films so these days people expect more story? Especially when they big him up deliberately and he goes out like that especially after running his mouth about reading Ren's mind to boot. Which brings me to my latest bug about it, why when they fight, isn't Ren or Rey using any force powers against the guards? Are we to believe a trained up (at this point, as clearly stated) Kylo Ren can just be grabbed in a choke hold? It made zero sense.
Of course though, back to Snoke, it may all make sense with the next film. Likely not, but by then none of us will care that much
True, then again he still holds his body there for all that time in at least 3 pieces no less. Seems rather bizarre that.
I get that. Star Wars attracts obsessive fans, so almost every character will have some sort of cult following. Especially a cool-looking baddie. The fact remains that we're seeing loads of comments from people saying this film was ruined because Snoke didn't get the back-story he deserved yet I doubt these same people decided the original trilogy was shite because we learned absolutely nothing about Boba Fett or the Emperor. And that's even after they'd seen all three movies in that trilogy. This one isn't even over yet!
I don't think the film was ruined by it, but I do think it was harmed by it. Or even if it wasn't harmed by it, it would have been made much better by it. The original trilogy had Darth Vader as a fully fledged baddie with the emperor in the background but even then without a back story we knew he was the emperor. In this trilogy the roles are reversed, Kylo is developing into the fully fledged baddie but he isn't there yet he's currently an angsty teenager, so all the focus was on Snoke as the baddie who is carrying the franchise until such time as Kylo Ren is the badass sith then after so much speculation we find out absolutely nothing. Also we didn't see the emperor until Empire so we'd had a whole film without him, the focus was on Vader, this time we had from the get go somebody being built up as the big bad only to disappear without any hint at all. Back in the original trilogy it was all new so there was no precedent for anything, but since then we've learnt that everybody has a hidden past, there's always a twist, so it was a little different this time with everybody coming out with theories only to then have nothing revealed.
I guess but the difference there is that Hux is a pleb and Rey is a very strong force user her self.
I personally take some form of exception to both Snoke’s and Luke’s remote use of the force. Especially the combination of both. If Jedi/Sith could project themselves in any location many planets afar, while having full sensory input from their new surrounding and full use of their powers to boot, why the feck ever travel. Why put your physical body at risk in missions. It’s fairly lore breaking if you consider it.
To be honest I think when you're talking about someone as badass as Snoke was supposed to be, the difference between him and Rey and the difference between him and Hux is negligible. Ronaldo would take the piss out of me as much as he would a 6 year old. Also I think what Luke did is supposed to be extremely rare and not something that's common at all, or that jedi can just do on a whim. He's supposed to be like the ultimate jedi.
Yeah i think it was a weakness too
More of a weakness on JJ Abrams part really as he has an annoying habit of setting up big mysteries that end with a shitty, disappointing reveal.
I'm ok with him being dead really but it puts a lot of pressure on Kylo Ren for the last film
They could bring him back anyway. It'd be a bit rubbish but they could just say its Darth Plageus. He seemingly survived having his head chopped in half so whats a little leg amputation.
He'd be like a sith zombie and it could be an interesting counterpoint to the jedi ghosts thing.
More of a weakness on JJ Abrams part really as he has an annoying habit of setting up big mysteries that end with a shitty, disappointing reveal.
I'm ok with him being dead really but it puts a lot of pressure on Kylo Ren for the last film
They could bring him back anyway. It'd be a bit rubbish but they could just say its Darth Plageus. He seemingly survived having his head chopped in half so whats a little leg amputation.
He'd be like a sith zombie and it could be an interesting counterpoint to the jedi ghosts thing.
It is, that's why I guess they referenced early doors it killing people to do it.
Which is why the film, and the end of Luke suffer, it just makes things up. That's fine in a made up world of magic powers anyway, but surely people can see that the argument of "well how is anyone to know Luke is a badass anyway, so couldn't take on the whole army" isn't any better than us suddenly having to believe this new power is so badass it kills the person who can do it? Don't get me wrong, I'm all up for super new powers in a wizard film, but we are in a weird place with this where neither sides argument make any sense to the story.
But having now seen it a third time, I think the thing that pisses me off the most, is we saw not a single laser blast being deflected by a lightsaber. That's just wrong.
Yet most of the characters in the last Jedi were white or non-human. You seem awfully offended that a woman and black man dare take a prominant role in star wars.
Saw it, loved it, bought the T-shirt. Fine I already had the T-shirt, but still.
I do get the hate it receives from all the super fans, but as a movie it was great fun wasnt it? And sure the lead is a girl, but she's more manly than Daniel Radcliffe.
My only gripe was the intercom scene between Hux and Poe. It reminded me of a Mel Brooks movie. Humour is fun, but this was immersion breaking to me.
I do get the hate it receives from all the super fans, but as a movie it was great fun wasnt it? And sure the lead is a girl, but she's more manly than Daniel Radcliffe.
My only gripe was the intercom scene between Hux and Poe. It reminded me of a Mel Brooks movie. Humour is fun, but this was immersion breaking to me.
Yeah i agree. It seemed a bit slapsticky. Too many inside jokes that didn't further the humour or plot or anything really.
How badass was Snoke supposed to be? Fairly little is written/known about him. He was just a generic Sith master as far as I was aware...
He couldn’t even properly read his students mind ffs. Died in the first confrontation he appeared in.
And if what Luke did was very rare and and the ability of an ultimate Jedi and drained him so much he basically died of it, how the feck can Snoke do that plus have complete use of the force in his manifestation on top. Either what Luke did was very generic (despite never being seen before) or Snoke was some all powerful Demi-god of the Sith, far stronger than anyone before him.
The whole “Snoke wasn’t really there, he’s still alive” scenario can’t really work without making a mockery of the Stars Wars universe in my eyes
And if what Luke did was very rare and and the ability of an ultimate Jedi and drained him so much he basically died of it, how the feck can Snoke do that plus have complete use of the force in his manifestation on top. Either what Luke did was very generic (despite never being seen before) or Snoke was some all powerful Demi-god of the Sith, far stronger than anyone before him.
The whole “Snoke wasn’t really there, he’s still alive” scenario can’t really work without making a mockery of the Stars Wars universe in my eyes
Darth Maul, Jabba, and Boba Fett were either henchmen or inconsequential, to be fair. Snoke was the main threat.
Don’t feed it, please.
He was described as having been around for so long, witnessed the rise and fall of the original empire and the fall of Palpatine, he corrupted somebody with Luke's blood, obviously orchestrated whatever overthrew the Republic that Luke ushered in, he was presented as extremely mysterious in the first film so it leant itself to a huge amount of theory making, but then he may as well have been a generic henchman in the second film.
Well if Snoke wasn't a badass, then that just makes a mockery of that power he displayed anyway. Because he went way beyond sending himself across the galaxy like Luke, he sent both Ren and Rey to each other.
Which is another thing, he is able to read their minds and link them, yet despite talking about it, Kylo somehow manages to use his mind to kill Snoke anyway. So whichever way you look at it, the situation as a whole makes no sense. And yeah, it is a made up fantasy film based in a world that fanboys have kept alive and made possible this new trilogy, but at least make it conform to it's own rules. Super Leia was ridiculous enough, but at least there's nothing to contradict it.
If anything, the people calling this some kind of fresh twist are even more wrong, because it's exactly the same as what happened to Palpatine anyway. feck all backstory, is the boss, get's killed by apprentice. I think people are pretty much right to be annoyed that he wasn't any different to be honest.
Well until the third film either doubles down the fact he was irrelevant or brings him back somehow I guess...
Imagine how pissed off fans were after Empire.
"Vader can't be his father, that completely neuters him as a villain! He must be lying, Ben wouldn't have lied about something so big, and why wouldn't they tell him? They're just putting in twists for twists sake."
The Emperor wasn't exactly a tantalising prospect as an antagonist...
But wait, there's Boba Fett! Maybe the big villain will be Boba Fett!
(Ron Howard's voice): It wasn't Boba Fett.
"Vader can't be his father, that completely neuters him as a villain! He must be lying, Ben wouldn't have lied about something so big, and why wouldn't they tell him? They're just putting in twists for twists sake."
The Emperor wasn't exactly a tantalising prospect as an antagonist...
But wait, there's Boba Fett! Maybe the big villain will be Boba Fett!
(Ron Howard's voice): It wasn't Boba Fett.
Imagine how pissed off fans were after Empire.
"Vader can't be his father, that completely neuters him as a villain! He must be lying, Ben wouldn't have lied about something so big, and why wouldn't they tell him? They're just putting in twists for twists sake."
The Emperor wasn't exactly a tantalising prospect as an antagonist...
But wait, there's Boba Fett! Maybe the big villain will be Boba Fett!
(Ron Howard's voice): It wasn't Boba Fett.
Or maybe, without the internet, people were just entertained.
But thanks to the internet we can have this pointless discussion about a made up kids film, complete with sarcastic meme posts featuring a joke that's probably nicked from elsewhere. That's the progress of mankind for you!
I appreciate the "probably"Or maybe, without the internet, people were just entertained.
But thanks to the internet we can have this pointless discussion about a made up kids film, complete with sarcastic meme posts featuring a joke that's probably nicked from elsewhere. That's the progress of mankind for you!
Also, if Snoke can project a hologram that simulates itself getting visibly burned and singed by a lightsaber before flopping into three pieces, fair play to the bloke.
The main difference between Emperor and Snoke, is that in the old movies, The Empire was already ruling the galaxy. Then, the Rebels won the war and reinstated the Republic, with the Empire being in shambles. Then came this Snoke-character who turned things around and destroyed the Republic.
He is more Sidious of the prequels, then the Emperor of the originals.