Thanks. Haven't seen the rebels show, just went off my memory of the prequels.
Rebels is worth watching just to get to the season 2 finale, one of the best hours of Star Wars in any format. The rest of decent to poor.
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Rebels is worth watching just to get to the season 2 finale, one of the best hours of Star Wars in any format. The rest of decent to poor.
Yep, the finale of season 2 is perfection (bar the flying Inquisitors which was stupid). The rest is poor bar Thrawn moments.
The mistake probably was on Yoda not training Anita himself, but to be fair, Kenobi was as controversial as Anakin himself, so probably Anakin would have exploded immediately if he was trained from some Conservative Jedi.
Would love an Ahsoka movie, but it won't happen. She is next to Thrawn, Mara Jade and Revan the most famous and beloved character from EU, but still, the majority of people don't know who is her. Anakin's padawan will be a shock for most people especially considering that there was no hint whatsoever in the movies that Anakin had a Padawan.
It is quite interesting though how a carton TV show character was done better and is more complex than anyone bar Palpatine and Kenobi (both whom were already in the original Trilogy) in the prequels.
Qui-Gon Jinn: Obi-Wan, promise... Promise me you will train the boy.
Obi-Wan: Yes, master.
Qui-Gon Jinn: He is the chosen one. He will bring balance. Train him.
Plus, wasn't Palpatine busy being melted by Windu when Anakin chopped off his arm (I'm fully prepared for the "actually Palpatine was in complete control" response)? It seems to me they have a better chance of beating Palpatine if he doesn't have a chosen one on hand to kill loads of Jedi. This is my whole problem with the "prophecy" stuff in the prequels, it reduces the whole thing to a tableau and fait accompli - Vader doesn't kill the emperor out of reawakened parental love but to fulfil a prophecy. Similarly, Luke doesn't throw his lightsaber down and refuse to fight out of compassion, it's because otherwise the prophecy wouldn't be fulfilled. Agency is important in a film series about emotion, which is why people hate the prequels so much aside from the dialogue and Jar Jar.
McGregor plays him well, but what is there to the character that wasn't there with Guinness? He barely changes from the time he's an apprentice. Would've been way more interesting to have him be headstrong and play a bigger part in Vader's downfall, as he implied in RotJ.
Palps was in total control mate, I think it was quite clear from the movies and is essentially spelled in the novelization (released before the movie was essentially released). It was just a trick that Palps played to turn Anakin, he could have crushed Mace whenever he wanted to do so.
Just look at how he was winning against Yoda who is far superior to Mace. In fact just look at the fight itself, how Palps uses the Force in a much higher scale than he does against Windu.
I think that Lucas wanted McGregor to be as similar as possible to Guinness as possible, which McGregor did. The prequels were as much his story as it was Anakin's and you see his development. He also was much more active than in OT when he is pretty depressed.
It's indeed amazing to the point of perplexing, just how easily she fitted into prequel era and how excelled in civil war even further... she almost grow with Star Wars universe altogether. Throw Thrawn, Vader, Inquisition there and it's exceeding the expectations in a truly superb manner just after three seasons of the show.
Disney learning the lesson and putting Thrawn into canon is a small hope in the tunnel. When they'll kill off Leia in next SW movie, the universe will have to go somewhere from there. There is no other way but to copy bit more from the good old canon, especially when it's Disney.
Just seen this and have a bit of a mixed opinion. There were parts I absolutely loved and then parts I hated and parts that were just pure shite. Luckily I have come away remembering mostly the parts I loved.
I was under the impression that Mace had the upper hand against Palps. Not that he had him beat of course.
Mace Windu I think I've read used a mixture of light and dark side force to elevate his swordplay to be especially effective against siths or something like that.
Just so it's said, I think Yoda was a superior jedi than Windu, but I was and still am under the impression that Windu was the better of the two with a lightsaber.
Windu uses Vaapad technique which essentially channels the dark side to be effective against dark force users, but Palps can finish that match probably without even using a lightsaber.
Yoda is the best Jedi duelist ever and the strongest Jedi ever now that Luke has been downgraded. Windu is around Dooku/Anakin (slightly ahead of Kenobi) level as duelist.
feck, I like this thread now.
I still don't get why they just didn't have Luke come to his senses and actually be on that planet holding off all those forces whilst the rebels escaped. The ending they gave him was just emotional rubbish.
His X-Wing was rust, I guess.
I don't often agree with the stoned fat idiot, but I still think Kevin Smith is right. Raise the X-Wing, fly to the planet and go down like Luke should have.
I refuse to believe a single person, as much as they want to claim otherwise, wouldn't be pumped by that. It gives the old favourite a huge send off and truly ushers in the next generation by putting the fanboys at rest and showing Rey to at least be partiually trained by the greatest Jedi ever. What's not great about that?
Fanboys and kids would have lapped that up and the reviews would be through the roof. But no, let's just try to be 'different' for difference sake and try to go all emotional. In a fantasy kids film. Yeah, proper artsy and deep that is
Yeah, I think that Nils would have been the only person alive who wouldn't have loved to see Luke go there, go havoc on the Empire, and gets his big send-off. It would have been amazing to see that happen and show Luke as that powerful Jedi we all thought he had become.I don't often agree with the stoned fat idiot, but I still think Kevin Smith is right. Raise the X-Wing, fly to the planet and go down like Luke should have.
I refuse to believe a single person, as much as they want to claim otherwise, wouldn't be pumped by that. It gives the old favourite a huge send off and truly ushers in the next generation by putting the fanboys at rest and showing Rey to at least be partiually trained by the greatest Jedi ever. What's not great about that?
Fanboys and kids would have lapped that up and the reviews would be through the roof. But no, let's just try to be 'different' for difference sake and try to go all emotional. In a fantasy kids film. Yeah, proper artsy and deep that is
Again, it is not a kids film, you wankers. Most of people who watch it are adults.
Only because they were kids when the originals came out!
And they are taking their kids.
But again - how does he go there, survive sustained AT-AT fire, wreck them, and still die? If he's that all-powerful, why isn't he just ending it all? We know Kylo wouldn't be strong enough to beat that, given he's at Rey's level.
I think I am going mad here.
I loved that scene with his image.
1. There is no precedent in current canon for anyone to survive that bombardment he got from the AT-ATs.
2. He will take the most efficient way - why retrieve a plane and fly (while those guys are pounding the base's door) if you can just appear?
3. Like with the AT-ATs, his image can probably fight Kylo better than his actual self.
4. It was cool as hell and a great send-off and I don't know way people think it wasn't. He showed an amazing mastery of the force, and helped his friends escape.
I loved that scene with his image.
1. There is no precedent in current canon for anyone to survive that bombardment he got from the AT-ATs.
2. He will take the most efficient way - why retrieve a plane and fly (while those guys are pounding the base's door) if you can just appear?
3. Like with the AT-ATs, his image can probably fight Kylo better than his actual self.
4. It was cool as hell and a great send-off and I don't know way people think it wasn't. He showed an amazing mastery of the force, and helped his friends escape.
Honestly, in all three Disney SW movies, I didn't see many teens, and I saw even less kids in the cinema.
Also, most people I know who are SW fans are somehow my generation (mid twenties to early thirties) and so the original Trilogy was released before we were born.
George Lucas said the films were aimed at kids. You'd think the guy who created the entire series might have a vague idea who he was aiming them at.
There's nothing wrong with them being kids films either. Kids films are great.
There's nothing wrong with them being kids films either. Kids films are great.
A New Hope was really motivated from Kurosawa movies, which are hardly for kids. Empire was somehow dark, and Revenge was really dark and grim.
Return and the first two prequels are very kids oriented though, especially the first two prequels. Lucas I think made Jar Jar because he thought that kids would like him. My teen nephew actually doesn't dislike Binks so probably Lucas was right.
Rogue One was also really really dark.
Yeah that's a shame. Rosario Dawson has been campaigning to play her in any live-action adaptation which would be pretty cool I think.
Who says he has to survive the bombardment? Or that it has to go down like that at all?
But let's humour you here, say he does. We already have the coolest moment when Ren stops the blast in TFA, why not go the whole hog here and have Luke just do loads of them to show his real power? That would at least work with cannon no? Why not have that be the thing that depletes him?
Also Berba, let's not talk precedent when there's also no precedent for the flying Leia scene either. This is a made up film and made up universe. What is constant is the whole skywalker/luke story, if you are going to end that then do it properly not with some sappy wimper. That's not to say you are wrong to like it how it was, I get that the whole power thing was still pretty cool. I just think a big send off would have made the film that much better and none of us would be moaning about Luke kicking arse when we walked out of the cinema at all. We would all be so pumped.
True.
Also true.
Both go against Luke's ending though. It fits neither a kid's film ending nor an ending fit for the fans who still make Star Wars relevant. That's my point, the whole film is in some weird place where it doesn't really suit any purposes it just is. It doesn't push the story forward, it doesn't set anything up, it doesn't really appeal to kids or fans alike, it just seems so different for difference sake. Maybe the hipsters are happy with it at least, I don't know.
Kids films can be dark too though. I don't think there's anything in Rogue One that would remotely trouble a kid who has seen the Hunger Games films, for example. It's still only a 12A film after all and that's probably the darkest of the series.
Whether you call them kids films or not they're certainly intended to be family-friendly fare, for economic reasons if nothing else.
Come on, all protagonists die in Rogue One. Kids just can't like that movie IMO.
But yeah, they're definitely family movies and to some degree for kids, but they're hardly 'Harry Potter in space'.
That to me just sounds far worse than what we got
There's a very fine line between "awesome" and "Yoda and Palpatine just hurling large objects at each other" in Star Wars.Yoda vs Palps duel was awesome. Would have loved to see Luke crushing AT-AT.That to me just sounds far worse than what we got
That to me just sounds far worse than what we got
Nah, I just think there was a better balance is all. I liked the film enough, it's far superior to the prequels. It just feels like such a nothing film that was crying out for a real moment. I get Luke doing that was one, but I'm not really into SW apart from some of the games, and it didn't really resonate with me that much. Maybe I just wanted lightsabers and big explosions like a kid
That's the opposite of the truth. A kid's movie with no explicit social polemic, but seen by a hundred million people around the world, is far more influential than a preachy editorial about diversity in the New York Times. The idea that Disney's diversity agenda wasn't a major factor in the casting of this movie is naive or hypocritical.
I am not a fan of the film, but if a persons primary issue with it is that the ensemble cast is diverse then they're a fecking moron.
I think we get very different things out of Star Wars
Stay tuned for 9! That'll be the entire third act.
Nah, I just think there was a better balance is all. I liked the film enough, it's far superior to the prequels. It just feels like such a nothing film that was crying out for a real moment. I get Luke doing that was one, but I'm not really into SW apart from some of the games, and it didn't really resonate with me that much. Maybe I just wanted lightsabers and big explosions like a kid
The last Star Wars movie I saw was Return of the Jedi, and I'm unlikely to ever watch TLJ, so I have no issue with it. But the notion that the subliminal messages of popular culture are unimportant is so obviously wrong....
Hey, I said, 'a person' not you.
And yeah, such an outrageous message being conveyed like women and black people are people too and we can tell stories about them. What a bunch of evil geniuses.
You have quite a talent for straw man argumentation. You could address the point that's actually being made.
I am curious, are you saying that the diverse cast is a bad influence on the younger audience here?
I'm sorry, were you making a point?
It seemed to me you stated that you weren't interested in the film series , and you haven't seen the particular film. So I can't imagine someone in that position would have an opinion on the casting in it because, well, how the feck would they know if it was any good or not?
On top of this:
Those that have voiced issues over the characters have done so about the writing around them/of their character, not them being there or the actors themselves being bad.
I'm saying it was intended to be an influence. That liberals have used their control of popular culture to make it an instrument of political propaganda.
Yes, it's fecking impossible to find stories about white men isn't it?
Oh wait, no it's not.
What else should happen in your opinion, if it is purely propaganda?
You'd never find Disney funding a long running series of blockbuster films that almost exclusively feature white blokes as the highly powered protagonists. Just wouldn't happen!
The criterion is simple. Casting should be done for commercial, not political, reasons.
Anything else is an attempt by the film maker to impose his own political views on the audience.