See my above post.
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See my above post.
I'm genuinely a little confused by your point here. Most of the main characters in this film are white, who exactly are getting cast for political reasons?
A planet of Wookies rather than Ewoks would have completely changed the tone of ROTJ. Would be up there with ESB with that change, for me the scenes between Luke,Vader and Palpatine are the high points of the entire franchise.
Oh, have you seen the film in the last half an hour? Or are you assuming that there is no possible way that a woman and a black man could have been picked because they were the best people for the job?
Finally watched it and it's all just much of the same, very little creativity and originality. They made Luke act like a little bitch the entire film and it's hard to take Kylo seriously as the big boss when he seems to have watery eyes and is conflicted in every scene he is. It would have been so much better if they had Rey turn and become a badass dark lord.
Also I hope in the future they make a more adult Star Wars film, it has the potential to be so good.
Also I hope in the future they make a more adult Star Wars film, it has the potential to be so good.
How do you know the people chosen aren't the best actors that auditioned? Also, how do you know they aren't chosen for commercial reasons?
I would have thought that casting should be based on talent more than anything else. And, all things being equal, that would naturally result in a diverse cast. Whereas a lot of the people criticising the diversity in the film seem to think black, asian or female characters could only be there because of some sort of liberal bias. Which makes me wonder what they think a Star Wars film cast on merit would actually look like.
What amuses me is the more that knucledraggers complain about marginalised people being cast in prominent positions the more they demonstrate the need for marginalised people to be cast in said positions.
White men make up 31% of the population of the US, if we're still in a position where someone not being a white male in a prominent position in a film is worthy of a group of men kicking their toys out of the pram it shows how awfully Disney are doing at 'pushing their liberal agenda' or whatever you want to call it.
I think the separate directors were a mistake. The original trilogy was meant to be one story, just told in 3 acts. There's a cohesion there since it's essentially 3 parts of a larger story. With this they're making it up as they go along, and the only reason there's 3 films is just because the originals had 3.
Disney themselves wouldn't argue that. Any more than the BBC bother to dispute that they promote women because of their sex.
Diversity should not even be an issue in SW. Fictional galaxy wide conflict should have a wide range of people. The trick is to make everyone well written, natural characters whose personality is more important than their racial/sexual/gender tag.
Obviously.
Obviously.
In a cantina full of aliens and slug people, one black guy pokes his head up and people lose their minds.
Nah, Lucas made plenty of changes to that story as he went along. Plus, Empire subverted the original just as much as this one did the series in general.
I almost can't wait to see what their reaction to Black Panther is going to be
"They're promoting race war!"He made changes, yeah.
Job done then, right?
Right, like for instance in the first draft of Empire, the ghost of Anakin appears to tell Luke about his twin sister hidden on the other side of the galaxy. It wasn't really all laid out in advance.
Don't think that the writing is particularly good for any of the characters, so maybe there is parity in that.
Very hard to avoid identity politics on the net these days, to the point where you could become paranoid in looking for it.
Very hard to avoid identity politics on the net these days, to the point where you could become paranoid in looking for it.
I fell asleep watching it. I don't think I missed anything good
Not all of it, no. But I believe when writing the draft for what became the first film Lucas had this huge treatment which broadly depicted most of the story elements, ending with victory for the rebels over the empire, and the death of Vader and the emperor. He just cut off the first third of it and made that, (hence why Vader doesn't die in ANH) hoping he'd somehow get the chance to make the other 2 parts. So he knew vaguely what he wanted to accomplish from the outset, even if he ended up changing some details. These new films don't appear to even have that.
Political...?
Why the feck are people engaging in long winded debates with idiots?
The original Trilogy wasn't meant to be a trilogy at all. The first movie was a standalone. Vader became Luke's father only in the second movie. Vader's master and the Emperor were initially seperate people. Luke and Leia were supposed to be in love initially, etc etc.
There wasn't a bigger story until the second movie.
Feck knows.
Anyway, Ridley is a better actress than Christensen and Hamill in the original Trilogy, and Boyega was very good in the first movie, having excellent chemistry with Rey. He was pointless in this movie but that was because of the script rather than anything else. Additionally, both other Star Wars trilogies had an important character which was played from a black person, and in both those trilogies, there was a woman as one of the three protagonists.
People are stupid criticising Disney for diversity. Same Disney whom in Marvel movies have all protagonists bar one being white dudes. And more importantly, why black people should still get marginalised and not get roles in big movies?
It's like Donald Trump hijacked this thread.
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Watched it yesterday, thought it was better than TFA. A bit too much forced humour but otherwise good.
Not a trilogy, but there was a larger story. That's my point. He chopped off the first third and made that film simply because he didn't think he'd get the chance to tell the rest.
I agree completely. Kevin Smith's idea would have been an anticlimactic 'it looks like I was wrong all along'. Which would then lead to future trilogies of people doing the exact same thing, and fans complaining about that.
Instead we have Luke resolving a conflict in himself - not just dismissing it - and rising to new heights.
In passing, people using Mark Hamill's shattered expression (standing beside Rian Johnson) to promote their whining about the film really piss me off. He's just watched a film about the passing of time, with a resolution to story which people have talked about for four decades, which his life has revolved around - and seen the last film of one of the people he shared all that with.
Using that to support their complaints and claiming a fellow-feeling with Hamill, talking about how sorry they are for him, is really quite unpleasant and hypocritical.
I know this is probably just one of your hit and runs but I’m genuinely confused by what you’re saying here. Even if we accept that people were cast purely because they’re not white, what are the political views being imposed on the audience? That non-white people exist? Something else?
I'd imagine the diversity is there for commercial reasons, though. White guys young and old are (for the most part) probably the film's most reliable demographic and will see it anyway. Creating a female hero etc will help them to expand the market for the series by encouraging new audiences to see the film...so they can make more money. That's not necessarily a bad thing though, it's simply what big companies will do when making films and so long as it doesn't lessen the movie then it isn't a problem.
Exactly. Same reason they typically cast good-looking people, even though they may not be the most talented actor available. If your cast is good-looking and racially diverse you expand your market even further.
You may lose a few closet racists, mind you...
Yeah, it's pretty much blockbuster cinema 101. Luke Skywalker in the original trilogy is a decent character who has a strong arc but he's pretty much the young every man, the frustrated but headstrong adventurer every teenage guy seeing the film would like to think they are. The series as a whole is fantasy escapism anyway and doesn't really espouse any political points beyond space Nazis are bad.
I never thought about that change before, but that would have been really awesome. Hordes of rampaging Wookiee’s would have been much cooler than the little teddy bears screaming yub yub
Problem is why would the Empire make the Death Star next to a Moon of highly dangerous Wookies? They'd have just killed them all before they started working on it. The whole reason the Ewoks were there is because the Empire thought they weren't a threat and didn't bother annihilating them.
Oh I agree that it wouldn’t have made much sense with respect to the plot, least of which because the only canon Wookiee planet we really know of is kashyyyk, so this one would have just appeared from nowhere, and like you rightly said, the empire would definitely have killed them off. I was speaking purely in terms of aesthetics, how cool it would have been.
I want to cry. All the arguments about The Last Jedi and we have to have someone come in and talk about political correctness and bash liberals as Disney obviously employed people based on colour or ethnicity. Seriously I've read some shite on this forum but that takes the biscuit. I'd be banned if I actually replied how I really felt. Fml. What a sad life to lead. Turning a film discussion in to that shite.
Having slept on it and woken with a fresh mind I think the main problem I had with the film was the constant reusing of lines from previous films. The lack of originality on that part was disgusting and incredibly lazy imho. Snoke's death was also piss poor and a massive let down, yet surprisingly I didn't mind how Luke died and I consider myself to be a huge Star Wars nerd ( my 20 year old son is named after Luke And I have a Star Wars sleeve on my left arm) Oh the milking scene was just completely uncalled for too.
Having slept on it and woken with a fresh mind I think the main problem I had with the film was the constant reusing of lines from previous films. The lack of originality on that part was disgusting and incredibly lazy imho. Snoke's death was also piss poor and a massive let down, yet surprisingly I didn't mind how Luke died and I consider myself to be a huge Star Wars nerd ( my 20 year old son is named after Luke And I have a Star Wars sleeve on my left arm) Oh the milking scene was just completely uncalled for too.
Oh look, Will Absolute being a racist sexist moron.
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Milking scene was great! The most famous person in the entire galaxy has been milking aliens for the past 10 years.
Slave labour? That is what wookies were for the Empire in canon.
TRotJ has some of the high points of the originals (maybe the highest) but also most of the low points.
For me the Ewoks weren’t so much cute as creepy as hell, though. Those mad eyes and terrible teeth? Their desire to eat our heroes? The Stormtrooper helmets? Fecking horrifying.
It would have changed the tone but there’d still have been similar problems, I think. The scenes between Luke and Leia and Leia and Han revealing the truth about their relationships would probably still have been the most awkward in the trilogy.
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I think you have misspelled ‘capitalists’.
It should not be surprising that a company with a global audience might want to reflect that in its casting.
Your explanation is silly and unnecessary.