We're into Liverpool levels of can a loss be a win here. He's on the ground with a light sabre in his face yet that isn't winning?
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We're into Liverpool levels of can a loss be a win here. He's on the ground with a light sabre in his face yet that isn't winning?
I know a lad who does a bit of Muay Thai & regularly beats the shit out of people in fights outside the chipper. Put him in the octagon against Max Holloway and he's going to get the arse handed to him even if you cut Max's right hand off with a lightsabre and tie his 2 feet together.
He is winning when they are playing with sticks, I think that he even disarms Rey. Then Rey calls on the Force (Luke can't do that because he doesn't want to do, and because he had already detached himself from the Force) and then he goes to the ground.
We saw a glimpse of Luke's powers in the end of the movie, when he finally decided to be Luke again, and that is much more than Rey has ever shown to do.
Whatever dude, knocking someone over and having a sword to their throat is winning in every film fight ever. Except this one, where it's a fluke or something.
Jeez, you should try reading those excuses back, maybe you'll see how far you're stretching to defend it.
I mean, even Revan who is die hard defending the prequels is telling you that you're wrong on this. All you need to do is watch it again. I'm pretty sure you don't think that Burnley are a better team than United even though they beat them 1-0 once. So you already know that an end result doesn't tell the story, that it's lazy to think of it like that and that there's a lot more to it than that. It's not really hard to see but if you only want to focus on a tiny detail but try to make it tell the whole story then you're right this is pretty pointless. It's pretty obvious that you should take all of the context and everything that happened into account when drawing an overall conclusion on something but you don't want to do that.Even if there was an argument that she hasn't already beaten Luke (she did), he's vanished now, so again we're back to the original point - there's nobody left that's a credible threat to her. The only person who seemed like they could do that was Snoke, and he's dead too.
Luke's already reconnected with the force at that point, he blows the roof off the hut thing, pulls the aerial towards him and then hovers above the ground when he gets knocked over for a bit. I'm not sure how much more obvious they could have made it look that he was only trying to disarm her in that fight (which he does, before stumbling back when she lights the lightsaber that he continually refuses to use), but there you go.
No, it came from Star Trek fanfiction, from a (parody) female character called Mary Sue.
It's amazing how every one of the numerous plot points that go against your bizarre story is just a "tiny detail". Try reading back some of your reasoning when you've calmed down, see how much you're stretching.
Luke didn't fall to the ground though, and didn't close himself off to the force fully as he used it to levitate slightly above the ground when he "fell".
I'm perfectly calm mate. If you want to keep believing things that never happened then that's up to you.
We've already agreed it did happen, you're just coming up with excuses as to why it didn't mean what it clearly meant. Same with every fight Rey has that ends with her standing tall, and yet you coming up with reasons why it's actually losing. No amount of childish green smilies is gonna detract from that.
I watched it again last night and i still like it. There are however certain bits that could be edited out with minimal/no explanation that would actually make the film better. Nevertheless, i think it is a good entry.
I feel like Star Wars has come full circle and because of its mainstream popularity it is fashionable to "hate" the film.
I feel like Star Wars has come full circle and because of its mainstream popularity it is fashionable to "hate" the film.
I don't think so. Everyone I know who hated/didn't like the film are people with good tastes in cinema and people who watch films objectively. They've watched all the SW films over the years and aren't massive massive fans, but are fans of the franchise. They hated it. Felt Disney have made a hash of this sequel trilogy and should stop milking the franchise and churning out films unless they come up with good interesting ideas.
Rian Johnson making his own trilogy isn't exactly generating tons of excitement. Is it because of SW fatigue or because people don't necessarily think of him as a talented filmmaker capable of making a great trilogy?
Its just an average somewhat enjoyable family film, thats completely alienated the majority of people who were fans of the series previously due to terrible terrible decision making.
anecdotally, every single star wars fan i know from die hard, to a simple enthusiast thinks the last jedi was shit.
anecdotally, every single star wars fan i know from die hard, to a simple enthusiast thinks the last jedi was shit.
Still waiting on that Guardian article claiming film critics are paid off by Disney.
This. Such a shit smear in the face of any fan.
And sending him off for 6 months to run through swamps with a big-eared reptilian looking dwarf on his back would have him kicking Holloway’s arse?
I’m guessing no is the answer but I’d fancy his chances over some farmer lad who’s never thrown a punch in his life, that’s for damn sure.
Uh huh.
Literally in the tweet that he was replying to
If the big-eared reptilian looking dwarf was Royce Gracie then he'd have more of a chance yeah. You seem to be forgetting Holloway trounced Luke and cut off his hand at UFC 1980.
just watched and was disappointed
the Skywalker role was pretty pointless for 90% and Rey learned nothing - his impact at the end was strangely done
he was moodier than a 13 year old girl and those non-training scenes were boring to be Frank
the first movie of the reboot was very reminiscint of a New Hope and the pace of that movie and nostalgia made it an exciting watch
nothing wrong with trying a different path but feel the writers turned Skywalker into an annoying character and there are dozens of ways he could of fulfilled his role better
the Skywalker role was pretty pointless for 90% and Rey learned nothing - his impact at the end was strangely done
he was moodier than a 13 year old girl and those non-training scenes were boring to be Frank
the first movie of the reboot was very reminiscint of a New Hope and the pace of that movie and nostalgia made it an exciting watch
nothing wrong with trying a different path but feel the writers turned Skywalker into an annoying character and there are dozens of ways he could of fulfilled his role better
Well this analogy has crawled up its own arse and died, seeing as Rey can’t ever fight “Holloway”.
Weird video. I'm sure people with sometime on their hands can make a similar video of ever other movie that is ever made.
Just saying "feck" at the end of every sentence does not lend any value to what is being said.
This guy sound more like the blud-fam guy from AFTV
It's funny watching this vid now, he warned us 8 months ago, he's clearly pissed off with the films.
My tinfoil hat reckons they fired him and cgi'd his 'force-death/suicide' in last minute, now he's in full suck-up mode.
My tinfoil hat reckons they fired him and cgi'd his 'force-death/suicide' in last minute, now he's in full suck-up mode.
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Mark Hamill has obviously had his balls in a vice.
Yup, and they also raised Carrie Fisher from the dead briefly to add in that dialogue with Rey about Luke dying.
In his defence she gets the better of Luke with an unfair advantage, using the force, a power Luke has cut himself off from. I agree with the other guy. Kylo easily bests her twice and Luke is playing with her completely detached from the force. When the fight is fair he's beating her easily. Using Snokes comment as justification too is wrong. Snoke says this to make Ren angry so he'll kill her. Kylo is clearly stronger than Rey in every way except he's less determined. Luke is clearly on a different level when he allows himself to re-embrace the force.
Watched it yesterday and came away disappointed. I have to be honest, a big part of the reason I was looking forward to this was Luke Skywalker returning at the end of the previous movie. But watching this one, it would've been better had they not bothered with him at all. He added nothing, other than giving Rey a reason to be away from the rest of the conflict for a large part of the movie. I know, this is Rey's story, we didn't need another movie with Luke being the hero. But surely they could've done at least a bit more with probably the most important character in Star Wars history?
The rest of the movie wasn't great either. The second half was decent, I guess. Not a movie I'll revisit any time soon.
The rest of the movie wasn't great either. The second half was decent, I guess. Not a movie I'll revisit any time soon.
I think they're running out of ideas tbh. Star Wars is a simple story of empire vs rebels. How long can you keep that story going? At least the prequels told an interesting story which although boring in its execution, at least had the potential to be something different.
They need to jump forward or back a very long time and do something not really related to the current timeline in order for it to be interesting imo. Let's go back a few hundred years and see some sort of Jedi vs Sith war, or just something that doesn't involve plucky rebels vs powerful bad guys with giant super weapon. That's the boring part because it's been done.
Liked The Force Awakens more but I really enjoyed this move, far better than any of the prequels, some of the criticisms from veteran Star Wars fans are really laughable.
Only hated the casino scene.
Will watch it a few more times soon.
Only hated the casino scene.
Will watch it a few more times soon.
I liked seeing Eddie Hitler on the big screen.
Can't wait for his inevitable prequel spin off film in Christmas 2023.
Can't wait for his inevitable prequel spin off film in Christmas 2023.
There are so many EU stories that can be adapted and be really great. However they key would be to go back or forward in time.
What I really don't get is why they didn't adapt Thrawn Trilogy. As a story (including writing) is better than anything in Star Wars. Recasting the actors probably was a problem (story takes place just 5 years after Return) but hardly the big three were that important here.
I've never read that but I've heard good things. I think you said it best at the end of your post when you said it wouldn't need to include the 3 main characters. That's the sort of move they need to take now. Maybe they needed to make TFA and have them pass the torch for some sort of legitimacy or whatever, but after this trilogy I really hope they do something like what we're on about, or I can't see myself watching anymore.
Nah, that would be your original flawed logic, but if you want to split hairs we can just use Ken Shamrock
I thought the comic reliefs were pretty shit, so shit that they just kept ruining what would otherwise be great scenes.
....and the whole space chase with the casino stupidity while they always had a decent plan, was just pure and simple horrible writing.
....and the whole space chase with the casino stupidity while they always had a decent plan, was just pure and simple horrible writing.
I enjoyed it for the most part. Loved the opening scene and the scene in the throne room with Kylo/Rey and Snoke was awesome. Loved Lukes ending and have no doubt he will be back with a slightly blue tinge in the next film.
Hated the whole casino subplot and despise Finns character, Rose was pretty irritating as well. Poe/Rey will clearly happen with Finn making do with poor Rose (at least thats my thoughts).
Phasma was a let down again.
And odd to see Luke with his green lightsaber in the flashback considering he actually throws it away at the end of Return of the Jedi.
Hated the whole casino subplot and despise Finns character, Rose was pretty irritating as well. Poe/Rey will clearly happen with Finn making do with poor Rose (at least thats my thoughts).
Phasma was a let down again.
And odd to see Luke with his green lightsaber in the flashback considering he actually throws it away at the end of Return of the Jedi.
He has it back with him down on Endor at the end.
Aha right Ive never noticed that thanks
It always bothered me, he must have been super busy (and lucky) escaping from the Death Star considering he had to find the lightsaber and then haul Darth Vader from the throne room to the shuttle.