Film Star Wars: Episode VIII

Pogue Mahone said:
Because Luke doesn’t quit, dude, LUKE DOESN’T QUIT!!!

*burns Disney flag*
*records angry vlog*
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Is this literally it? Is the complaint that they gave Luke Skywalker too much of a character?

Godfather said:
Probably because his loss seemed a bit wasted. I mean... He died so they could... escape. Yay.
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Whereas Obi Wan died so they could... hold on, why did he die again exactly?

ha_rooney said:
Rian Johnson is a cnut. Of all the directions to take the saga, he turned it into a comical mess. And the cnut gets a new trilogy to feck with.
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This is a perfectly reasonable reaction from an adult to a children’s film he didn’t like.
 
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I see J.J Abrams is returning for the final installment...he'll probably deliver a diluted and inoffensive product in order to appease the fandom after Johnson had the nerve of making a good Star Wars film.

Johnson getting his own trilogy is good news though, might just end up as the best one yet.
 
R.N7 said:
I see J.J Abrams is returning for the final installment...he'll probably deliver a diluted and inoffensive product in order to appease the fandom after Johnson had the nerve of making a good Star Wars film.

Johnson getting his own trilogy is good news though, might just end up as the best one yet.
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So how many will there be?
 
R.N7 said:
I see J.J Abrams is returning for the final installment...he'll probably deliver a diluted and inoffensive product in order to appease the fandom after Johnson had the nerve of making a good Star Wars film.

Johnson getting his own trilogy is good news though, might just end up as the best one yet.
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Whoa. Did not expect that.
 
VP89 said:
So how many will there be?
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Don't ask me, I just read what that other poster wrote.

hungrywing said:
Whoa. Did not expect that.
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I always thought that as soon as they got a proper director on board that would deliver his own personal vision they would a get a good film on their hands. Reading up a bit I noticed this:

According to Johnson, the story begins immediately after the last scene of The Force Awakens. He had his story group watch films such as Twelve O'Clock High, The Bridge on the River Kwai, Gunga Din, Three Outlaw Samurai, Sahara, and Letter Never Sent for inspiration while developing ideas.
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Taking inspiration from various cinematic works is just what Abrams should have done instead of using the previous Star Wars films as his only frame of reference.
 
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They finally make a Star Wars film that RN7 and Mockney like, and look what happens.
 
Ubik said:
They finally make a Star Wars film that RN7 and Mockney like, and look what happens.
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If most of Star Wars fans don't like it that much, obviously Mockney and Nils HAD to like it. Business as usual.
 
Ubik said:
They finally make a Star Wars film that RN7 and Mockney like, and look what happens.
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:lol:

Tbf, what with this, Ghostbusters & Gamergate, entitled male nerds have proved themselves possibly the very worst people on the planet. People should just stop making things for them.
 
Revan said:
If most of Star Wars fans don't like it that much, obviously Mockney and Nils HAD to like it. Business as usual.
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All the Star Wars fans I know in person liked it. A lot of the Star Wars fans that are also critics also liked it.

This "most Star Wars fans" basically extends to the irrational lot that occupies a bit of the internet.

Then there's the fact that the majority of critics - who look at it for what the film actually is, not what they think the film should be - also liked it.

Thats the thing, if you look at any film with the view of what you want it to be, it makes it difficult to like. That's generally why books made into films aren't loved by people that love the books, it's not how they see it.
 
Mockney said:
:lol:

Tbf, what with this, Ghostbusters & Gamergate, entitled male nerds have proved themselves possibly the very worst people on the planet (the very worst!!) People should just stop making things for them.
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Now there’s a legitimately shite movie. That’s not a hill worth dying on, no matter how much it pisses off entitled male nerds.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
All the Star Wars fans I know in person liked it. A lot of the Star Wars fans that are also critics also liked it.

This "most Star Wars fans" basically extends to the irrational lot that occupies a bit of the internet.
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The user rating seem to be somewhere between the first two prequels and Revenge of the Sith (who anyway suffered a lot in rating in time cause it got put in the same bag as the other two prequels). I discussed today with 4 colleagues who have been reasonably big Star Wars fans (though I was the only one to be familiar with Star Wars EU), and all of us agreed that while it was a good movie, it wasn't a Star Wars movie. It undoes everything that Star Wars had established, in order to appeal to Johnson and probably the young fans.

So yep, while the movie doesn't warrant any hatred (like the first two prequels), it just isn't a very good Star Wars movie. It is more a Guardians of the Galaxy spinoff rather than Star Wars VIII.
 
Godfather said:
Also before I forget it: All this master-hacker bullshit and casting this Jackass idiot with his pathetic attempt at stut-stut-stuttering was just bad. The more I think about the movie the less I think I liked it.
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I think that's a theme with a lot of people.
 
Mockney said:
See, call me a normal person, but I'm pretty sure that's what they did. Of all the characters in this very messy film to actually have an arc, Luke was definitely one of them. The film I watched presented him as a tragi-heroic figure, who learned a crucial thematic lesson from our Heroine, and chose to use his last vestige of energy/life force/magical nonsense to help his new-trilogy surrogate to the next stage of magical space whateverism. Then he had a big epic cinematic face-off with the big baddie, where he was implausibly badass in the coolest looking location in the film. I know I'm not the biggest SW fan, but I'm at a bit of a loss as to what people were disappointed by? They gave him a whole Ennio Morricone-esque send off. Even I thought it seemed pretty awesome, and I couldn't give a flying shit.

I'd like to think it's potentially even "meta-textual"... Where Ren is the angry fan boy, and Rey the upbeat fan girl, and both of them have to learn they can only progress if they kill/outlive their unhealthy obsession with the past. The whole thing is screaming "get over it!"...Which is something I never expected of a Star Wars film.
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I completely agree with all of this. Luke's dark-ish nature had been set up in Return of the Jedi, he is portrayed as having a moment of weakness and then re-evaulating his learned dogma in the light of *yet another* Jedi failure (the entire franchise is a compilation of Jedi failure bar the climax of the original trilogy). I'm glad that's what they did with him. ANd I thought his stuff at the end of the movie was perfect too - it fits with the plot and character, and it gave me a fanboy action-scene boner too.

And you're absolutely correct about that scene being meta. They held it for quite a while when she's debating the offer, and I remember thinking the same thing while watching it. For me it was telling the audience that the repeated good v evil fight itself is about to change.
After which she becomes pure white goodness and they start their good v evil fight again. feck you, movie.
 
@Revan

I was also hoping for a Kreia-like role from Luke after he "intentionally cut himself off from the force, since it creates cycles of conflict".
:(
 
R.N7 said:
...I always thought that as soon as they got a proper director on board that would deliver his own personal vision they would a get a good film on their hands. Reading up a bit I noticed this...
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How'd you like Brothers Bloom and Brick?

Taking inspiration from various cinematic works is just what Abrams should have done instead of using the previous Star Wars films as his only frame of reference.
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Yeea...he probably wouldn't have been capable of that unless maybe it was Spielberg movies.
 
berbatrick said:
@Revan

I was also hoping for a Kreia-like role from Luke after he "intentionally cut himself off from the force, since it creates cycles of conflict".
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Gosh, I am happy that Luke didn't become a total nihilist. Him being a depressed old person was bad, but that would have been worse IMO.
 
My favorite theory on why Rey is so powerful (she is making Anakin and Luke look weak in comparison) is that when Luke cut himself from the Force, that same strength for whatever reason went to Rey (maybe she was the next most powerful - potential wise) being in the galaxy.

I really hope that JJ has some plans to make it clear why Rey is so powerful. The only Jedi/Sith in any of the movies, who absolutely needed no training at all.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Now there’s a legitimately shite movie. That’s not a hill worth dying on, no matter how much it pisses off entitled male nerds.
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I think that was more in the build up. You're right it was crap but trailer is the most disliked youtube video ever. 90% dislikes without even seeing the film. Granted it's not a great trailer but didn't deserve all the hate before it got released. I've seen far worse get a free pass.

The Ocean's 8 trailer is getting people angry as well.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I wouldn't say so, in the last movie she wanted to do what's right because she's a good person... She was optimistic about finding her parents, but it never drove her actions.

Joining the guy who killed Han Solo though? Nah, wouldn't work for me.

I guess that's why these films can't win... For everything that happens, people will always want something else to have happened instead.
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I re-watched TFA recently and her optimism about parents was about half her character! Again, I don't think it was necessary that she would go dark after losing any hope regarding them, but by introducing that element, the film made it plausible. Plus maybe she and Kylo try to be grey rather than genocidal.

I didn't hate the film, I wish it had the courage to go where it seemed to be leading. (plus how cluttered it was and the cringe humour)
 
Revan said:
My favorite theory on why Rey is so powerful (she is making Anakin and Luke look weak in comparison) is that when Luke cut himself from the Force, that same strength for whatever reason went to Rey (maybe she was the next most powerful - potential wise) being in the galaxy.

I really hope that JJ has some plans to make it clear why Rey is so powerful. The only Jedi/Sith in any of the movies, who absolutely needed no training at all.
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Isn't that what was said after the last one? The 'Awakening' is because all the force users are dead except Luke/Kylo and the Force has been making 'undiluted' new ones?
 
hungrywing said:
Isn't that what was said after the last one? The 'Awakening' is because all the force users are dead except Luke/Kylo and the Force has been making 'undiluted' new ones?
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At least this was my interpretation. I hope that they go with it, in fact, if in the end it ends with two 'gray' force users, it will be even better.

Think that the lack of training is still a 'plothole' but this discussion has been done to death, and it was JJ who started that madness.
 
I for one am in favour of having no more training montages, unless they further the plot or tell us some vital information. I also think reaching an endstate where Jedi don't have to take young children away from their families and have lasers shot at them "for training" is for the better.
 
Ubik said:
I for one am in favour of having no more training montages, unless they further the plot or tell us some vital information. I also think reaching an endstate where Jedi don't have to take young children away from their families and have lasers shot at them "for training" is for the better.
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Mandatory draft at age fourteen, roger. I like the not so young idea.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I would say comfortably so. Maybe you could argue Return of The Jedi was better but surely to feck nobody could reasonably argue that any Star Wars movie since the original trilogy is better than this one?
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I mean it's literally worse than The Force Awakens but yeah sure.
 
Not liking a film liking a film now makes you a nerd and the worst on the internet. The self righteous sanctimony has plumbed new depths.
 
Revan said:
My favorite theory on why Rey is so powerful (she is making Anakin and Luke look weak in comparison) is that when Luke cut himself from the Force, that same strength for whatever reason went to Rey (maybe she was the next most powerful - potential wise) being in the galaxy.

I really hope that JJ has some plans to make it clear why Rey is so powerful. The only Jedi/Sith in any of the movies, who absolutely needed no training at all.
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I don't think that's how the force works. Rey is probably just unusually gifted in the force. She mentions during the film about how she has some sort of power/presence inside her she doesn't know what to do with (as part of her appeal to Luke to teach her).
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Hmmm. I think it’s better but they’re both decent movies. Was mainly curious if anyone hates this so much they think the prequels are better.
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There was someone in here saying that. Immediately invalidated the rest of his post.
 
ADJUDICATOR said:
I don't think that's how the force works. Rey is probably just unusually gifted in the force. She mentions during the film about how she has some sort of power/presence inside her she doesn't know what to do with (as part of her appeal to Luke to teach her).
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Anakin was unusually gifted in the Force, potentially the strongest ever, and Luke had as much potential as him. However, both of them needed some training in order to be able to do things that Rey is doing effortlessly. Luke had almost 5 years of Force exposure when he was doing awesome things in Return of the Jedi, while Rey has a week or so of Force exposure.

Rey being stronger than them makes the prophecy of the chosen one a bit of a joke. In fact, with her not being a Skywalker, she shouldn't be as strong as Anakin/Luke.
 
Cheesy said:
I quite liked them killing off Snoke. Even if he'd been given backstory it was always going to amount to the same character - ie an Emperor-esque bad guy who's evil for the sake of being evil. His death actually surprised me and the scene itself was very good.
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Couldn't agree more - it gives a whole new dimension to Kylo's character and stopped the third film from simply being The Return of Return of the Jedi...
 
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