At the time you get caught up in the action and I never really like to analyse while watching a film, I accept it fully for what it is. It’s only afterwards I start to think more deeply about it.
Film Star Wars: Episode VIII
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At the time you get caught up in the action and I never really like to analyse while watching a film, I accept it fully for what it is. It’s only afterwards I start to think more deeply about it.
Why do you think Boba Fett was such a popular character despite of him having minimal screen time?
They promoted Boba Fett being a huge part of the next Star Wars in every media. Before ESB, he'd been the embodiment of "what would it be" in the larger galaxy, fans loved theorizing about Boba Fett. It also helped that the character was actually badass .
Yes Star Wars fans are obsessed and Disney could've written Luke in a way that done him more justice without decentralizing new characters but they chose to alienate OT fans for no reason.
Most def, it's Boba Fett all over again...
I'm with you on the whole "out with the old and in with the new" subtext, well not subtext, surfacetext, if that's a word. It must have caused an extreme allergic reaction in the Star Wars nerds and must be one of the main reasons why many of them didn't like this one.
Some original trilogy fans. Plenty of others liked it a bunch.
It would be if it continues down the same zany comedy route. It ruined the whole film for me.
Agree about the comedy. It was prequels-level. In comparison, The Force Awakens had really good bits of comedy.
The Force Awakens tread the thin line. This one bundled over it within about 10 minutes. It felt like some scenes were written around the comedy. But there will still be people pretending that there aren’t a host of reasons to dislike this film and it’s only because we’re all afraid of change.
It had corny, lame attempts at comedy. One of VIII's strength was the fact that it kept the corniness fairly low key.
Eh...the whole film pretty much started with a 'your mum' joke. I thought it was okay-ish for the most part though and about on a par with TFA. The originals had plenty of corniness that'd come across as silly/sillier than it was if they came out now though so it's not a particularly big issue as such.
Jesus Christ.
*by Star Wars standards*
Saw it tonight. Bit long and messy with pacing but it’s a fun ride and that’s all Star Wars ever was. Some of the criticism I’ve found is absolute basement dwelling nonsense. Some of them clearly have evented some other version of the original trilogy in their heads. It’s a fecking silly space drama with a lot of heart - not citizen cane. Seen some thought the humour was a problem? Fecking lighten up. It was more than I expected but I welcomed the goofy moments.
Solid 8 or 9/10. Better than TFA despite its flaws.
Also those Porgs (sp?) will sell like hot cakes.
Solid 8 or 9/10. Better than TFA despite its flaws.
Also those Porgs (sp?) will sell like hot cakes.
How the movie started with the awfully delivered jokes between hux and Poe set the tone for humor that failed miserably for me.
I also agree the humor in 7 was much better
Just remembered the beginning. Definitely sunk in my seat a bit, cringey as feck.
So almost as good as Citizen Kane then.
Saw it last Wednesday. Horrible. It started off well apart from the Hux and Poe show. Then I felt it started to wane and just seemed all over the place before collapsing in on itself. TFA for its flaws, was much better. Rian Johnsons a cnut.
It's a Skywalker story, not a Luke one. Luke-Leia-Anakin, then Anakin, then Luke-Leia-Kylo.
People should really learn to seperate trailers and promotions from movies. The director even specifically said to avoid the trailers. I haven't watched a single thing before tonight when I saw the movie so I got nothing to be disappointed about in that regard.
Names on posters or positioning is a different beast as well. Egos and agents can change that. I know for a fact that Amanda Seyfried dropped out of Z for Zachariah because she couldn't get first billing.
And come on, who goes to a Star Wars movie and becomes disappointing that there are characters like the puffin dudes? Star Wars has always been about reaching kids and selling merch and therefor there will be stuff in it that's cute but stupid.
Mockney is correct, stop arguing with him.
BB8 scanned the map. It was basically a cave. Since it was built nature did it's thing and changed the shape around the cave and thus an opening happened. There was basically a sort of cave-in in that part of the tunnel but they were still stuck until Rey helped them out. They weren't outside at that point.
Don't want to sound pretentious or something like that, but I can kinda see both sides of this? I think it's a good movie that I simply don't like as much as I want to. What's weird is, how dismissive people are of passionate SW fans for not liking decisions they've made in this one, when just two years ago they made a movie that was paying homage to the old ones. I think there's a disconnect telling passionate SW people they need to let go of the past movies, which for one mean a lot to them and then do the The Force Awakens like they did and then lead them on in the marketing.
One of the things I disliked about the Force Awakens was how heavily they emphasised those unanswered questiones. Not giving any answers was kinda risky, but in a way also kind of lazy writing IMO, because it was the easiest solution. I think if I had to compare it, a lot of people probably feel like they were lead on, like they do it on The Walking Dead, instead of better storytelling like Game of Thrones in earlier seasons. I don't mind that Rey's parents are nobodies or that Snooke was killed off, but I also still want Rey to find out more about them, because to her those nobodies still mean something, even if Ren's story is true.
I also think fans screaming in comments sections, how much they hate this movie or how it has broken their heart is over the top. Or attacking people for liking this movie. I think what has become quite clear is that the casual filmgoer is enjoying the movie a lot more than people who are a bit passionate about SW. Not saying that all SW fans dislike the movie though.
With that being said I think the performances across the board are quite good and I enjoy what they do with their characters. Especially Adam Driver does a good job, Kylo Ren and his whole demeanour could be utterly ridiculous (and in a way it is), but for me he works.
Also I'm with @Revan on the whole EU thing. It's certainly quantity over quality and there are a lot of average stories in the old EU, but there's also good stuff and better stories have been told than in those 2 new episodic movies.
One of the things I disliked about the Force Awakens was how heavily they emphasised those unanswered questiones. Not giving any answers was kinda risky, but in a way also kind of lazy writing IMO, because it was the easiest solution. I think if I had to compare it, a lot of people probably feel like they were lead on, like they do it on The Walking Dead, instead of better storytelling like Game of Thrones in earlier seasons. I don't mind that Rey's parents are nobodies or that Snooke was killed off, but I also still want Rey to find out more about them, because to her those nobodies still mean something, even if Ren's story is true.
I also think fans screaming in comments sections, how much they hate this movie or how it has broken their heart is over the top. Or attacking people for liking this movie. I think what has become quite clear is that the casual filmgoer is enjoying the movie a lot more than people who are a bit passionate about SW. Not saying that all SW fans dislike the movie though.
With that being said I think the performances across the board are quite good and I enjoy what they do with their characters. Especially Adam Driver does a good job, Kylo Ren and his whole demeanour could be utterly ridiculous (and in a way it is), but for me he works.
Also I'm with @Revan on the whole EU thing. It's certainly quantity over quality and there are a lot of average stories in the old EU, but there's also good stuff and better stories have been told than in those 2 new episodic movies.
Was he? What is it that he actually did? Isn't he the quintessential example of a pointless throwaway side character that fans of a daft but fun family film imbued way more importance than actually merited? I mean, Snoke had several pages worth of dialogue in both films, and interacted with most of the major characters. Boba Fet wore a funky helmet and loitered a bit. Then he fell into a big silly puppet sand vagina. I mean, I think he did. I haven't read all the tie in novels that explain why that was actually awesome, but as a casual viewer, that's what I definitely remember him doing. No?
See, call me a normal person, but I'm pretty sure that's what they did. Of all the characters in this very messy film to actually have an arc, Luke was definitely one of them. The film I watched presented him as a tragi-heroic figure, who learned a crucial thematic lesson from our Heroine, and chose to use his last vestige of energy/life force/magical nonsense to help his new-trilogy surrogate to the next stage of magical space whateverism. Then he had a big epic cinematic face-off with the big baddie, where he was implausibly badass in the coolest looking location in the film. I know I'm not the biggest SW fan, but I'm at a bit of a loss as to what people were disappointed by? They gave him a whole Ennio Morricone-esque send off. Even I thought it seemed pretty awesome, and I couldn't give a flying shit.
I'd like to think it's potentially even "meta-textual"... Where Ren is the angry fan boy, and Rey the upbeat fan girl, and both of them have to learn they can only progress if they kill/outlive their unhealthy obsession with the past. The whole thing is screaming "get over it!"...Which is something I never expected of a Star Wars film.
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These days the best thing about new Star Wars films is the Plinkett review that follows it.
This is the problem with Star Wars and its fans. This happens with a lot of things in these movies, and it really harms the films after a while. Darth Vader is another good example of a character who fans latched onto and built up. In the first film he was just some henchman in a suit. He wasn't the main focus of the films, but such was his appeal to the audience it was decided to go back and make him the 'chosen one' with his own prophecy etc. He wasn't that special originally, but the outside world crept into the writing.
It happens on a lesser scale with characters like Yoda, or things like AT-ATs, or literally any recognisable thing from the originals that people thought was awesome. They become imbued with this manufactured sense of importance that wasn't there at first, just to appease the fans. In spite of the fact that in its original context it was a story telling device and nothing else. Yoda wasn't there because he was awesome, but because Luke needed a teacher. Then after people latched onto him he's suddenly in the prequels. I definitely think the writing of the subsequent films suffered hugely because of this.
Nah like I said it was a different part of the film. Ignore the back of the cave Rey part, earlier in the cave the door was slammed shut and then 10 seconds later they all found their way outside to line up in trenches to face the first order, with those antique bombers flying out of doors in the roof. They had to get out somehow. Minor thing, but just amused me at the time.
Because Luke doesn’t quit, dude, LUKE DOESN’T QUIT!!!
*burns Disney flag*
*records angry vlog*
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Re the comedy. Am I the only one who found the “I can hear you, can you hear me?” stuff genuinely funny? I’d go as far as saying it was one of the funniest bits of any Star Wars movie.
Nah, "I don't like sand" was much funnier.
Which one was that in?
Episode 2. In fact, all of the romance scenes could qualify.
I chuckled.
The comedy really isn't the bad at all, there is a bit of silliness sure, but it's Star Wars.
Chewbacca trying to eat a Porg was genuinely funny I thought.
Yeah, the first scene was Guardians of the Galaxy. It works there, but it doesn't work here. Really, for most part the humor was prequel-level shit, and while I enjoyed the prequels, the humor there was awful. And so it was here.
That was good. One of the few bright spots. Most of their comedy was pretty cringey though.
Probably because his loss seemed a bit wasted. I mean... He died so they could... escape. Yay.
Also before I forget it: All this master-hacker bullshit and casting this Jackass idiot with his pathetic attempt at stut-stut-stuttering was just bad. The more I think about the movie the less I think I liked it.
Rian Johnson is a cnut. Of all the directions to take the saga, he turned it into a comical mess. And the cnut gets a new trilogy to feck with.
From the Disney version of films, Rogue One is easily the best.
From the Disney version of films, Rogue One is easily the best.
He's a cnut because he made a very good movie?
At least he's a writer/director who (before this at least) actually made interesting/unique films (even if i personally don't like Looper, i can appreciate the effort)
In my opinion he is a cnut who made a rubbish movie & seems proud of his effort.
Absolutely. It is also by far the most mature Star Wars movie.
Fo'shizzle. Glad you loved it, Adzzz.
Jackass idiot?Saw it last night and I'm disappointed. Had a few good moments, unfortunately cut and surrounded by mind-numbingly dull, long ass action parts.
It just didn't feel well structured, at the very least. I know it's a film that tries to appeal to babies and old people but that also could be done much better.
Don't feel the urge to see it a second time, unlike TFA. Reminded me of Lucas.
If George Lucas could've made a Star Wars today, I think it'd look something like this.
It just didn't feel well structured, at the very least. I know it's a film that tries to appeal to babies and old people but that also could be done much better.
Don't feel the urge to see it a second time, unlike TFA. Reminded me of Lucas.
If George Lucas could've made a Star Wars today, I think it'd look something like this.
Have you seen VIII yet, Spoons?