Have you seen the Daisy Ridley clip where she is asked if she is happy with TLJ and she is like ”… ermmmm ... sure?”
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Have you seen the Daisy Ridley clip where she is asked if she is happy with TLJ and she is like ”… ermmmm ... sure?”
That looks like carefully edited snippets from a much longer (presumably more positive?) interview. Anyway, Hamill seems to get what some fans don’t. Movies aren’t written by actors, or by fans. It’s not their story to tell.
Accurate and slightly depressing. I really wanted to like this movie. I took a few days to reflect but it was just confusing and messy.
Not sure which one you are referring to specifically. I did see her on Graham Norton. Vaguely suggest she didn't understand it.
6/0, but I can't say meh since there it was 9/10 sections mixed with 3/10 stuff.
Pros:
Not a rehash of Empire or Jedi
The 'force' arc (Luke/Rey/Ren) was great, I liked what they did with all 3 including Luke.
Some of the space battle scenes were new and good.
The ending was terrific.
Cons:
Too many characters/arcs/smaller plots.
Too many 'surprise'/twist moments in the action. IIRC the original had only 1 fake-out, when Han blows Vader's friends out of the sky and lets Luke destroy the Death Star when all seems lost.
The humour sucked. Wtf are the birds.
Now I've to watch Redlettermedia and find out what I should think about it
Edit: I think the RLM criticisms were correct but they didn't give he good parts enough credit.
Pros:
Not a rehash of Empire or Jedi
The 'force' arc (Luke/Rey/Ren) was great, I liked what they did with all 3 including Luke.
Some of the space battle scenes were new and good.
The ending was terrific.
Cons:
Too many characters/arcs/smaller plots.
Too many 'surprise'/twist moments in the action. IIRC the original had only 1 fake-out, when Han blows Vader's friends out of the sky and lets Luke destroy the Death Star when all seems lost.
The humour sucked. Wtf are the birds.
Leia's miraculous survival was cringey af
Now I've to watch Redlettermedia and find out what I should think about it
Edit: I think the RLM criticisms were correct but they didn't give he good parts enough credit.
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I just spent sometime reading the Reddit review thread on the movie
I wish I hadn't... some of the complaints are... mind boggling. I mean, people are complaining that Snoke didn't put up a fight in his death. As if he's some storied character who deserved some grand death.... the fecker had been in about 6 Scenes across both movies, why exactly does he need to put up a fight? It's ridiculous.
Other silly criticisms (that legitimately make this film AWFUL in peoples eyes) include... Yoda setting a tree on fire, Admiral Akbar dying off screen, Luke dying without a fight (despite the fact that he literally got involved in a fight... i could go on, but you get the point
I wish I hadn't... some of the complaints are... mind boggling. I mean, people are complaining that Snoke didn't put up a fight in his death. As if he's some storied character who deserved some grand death.... the fecker had been in about 6 Scenes across both movies, why exactly does he need to put up a fight? It's ridiculous.
Other silly criticisms (that legitimately make this film AWFUL in peoples eyes) include... Yoda setting a tree on fire, Admiral Akbar dying off screen, Luke dying without a fight (despite the fact that he literally got involved in a fight... i could go on, but you get the point
Essentially all doors that led right into the path of the first order troops do not really escape paths. Honestly I don't remember what door/doors the ski-speeder things came out of. The guys in the trenches, did they show where they came out of, don't remember.
There's basically a cottage industry of that at the moment.
What are they talking about? He acts like Yoda does after the reveal, except more amiable and less grumpy.
Dude, you’ll find a few of those exact criticisms in this very thread.
Speeders came out of little ports above the Bigass(tm) door. Guys in trenches came out of tunnels from the main base (but there were no tunnels leading out the back side because reasons)
They're saying the opposite of you and how goofy and un-jedi master-like Yoda is in TLJ. If you really don't see it, then I'm afraid...this means war. #Holds out hand to Ubik a-la Kylo to Rey.
But he does act the same... cane bashes, laughter, bravura force demonstration and all. Or did I miss the part where he rummages through Luke's food supply?
I don't know. His portrayal in TLJ was close enough to borderline that I can see both RLM and your reaction to him except for 'bravura force demonstration'. Yoda only demonstrates his 'power in the force' when Luke claims such a thing is impossible. But also enough on their side of the line that their reaction is the same one I had watching it in the theater.
Clip of the rummagery:
Clip of 'real yoda':
I made the same point earlier on as RLM with Back to the Future.
Sign me up, Im a psychic wizard
Sign me up, Im a psychic wizard
So as my first sentence said any known route out led right into the teeth of the enemy, not an escape path at all.
Basically paths to the defenses were built but not doors to nowhere.
I can’t get the mental image out of my head of a group of giddy children skipping out of the cinema full of joy, only for a 40yo neckbeard to start screaming in their faces “What are you so happy about!!? They ruined Star Wars! They made jokes and didn’t respect the original characters! You just don’t understand! Waaaah!!”
Some people complaining that it’s like a Marvel film. Of course it is! That’s whats en vouge with the kids these days, and these movies are for them. Why would you make a knock about family Sci-Fi adventure film in 2017 for early middle aged men? And why would you make it the same style as a film from the 1970s? And besides, they already kinda did that with the last one (and everyone complained then) That one was for you. This one was for them.
Thats why the whole point of the sodding film was the older generation realising they needed to let the younger take the reigns and do their own thing (or have it taken by force.) It wasn’t even the subtext of the film, it was the bright neon fecking text.
Some people complaining that it’s like a Marvel film. Of course it is! That’s whats en vouge with the kids these days, and these movies are for them. Why would you make a knock about family Sci-Fi adventure film in 2017 for early middle aged men? And why would you make it the same style as a film from the 1970s? And besides, they already kinda did that with the last one (and everyone complained then) That one was for you. This one was for them.
Thats why the whole point of the sodding film was the older generation realising they needed to let the younger take the reigns and do their own thing (or have it taken by force.) It wasn’t even the subtext of the film, it was the bright neon fecking text.
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It would have been great if, for once, Kylo's offer would have been accepted by Rey. The way the film has set up her character to that moment it wasn't implausible. And something genuinely different.
Nah, whilst you would have thought that would be great, it's clearly not the story being told here, or the way the films are going.
Personally I'd have hated that, she's such a positive dreamer that her turn would not have been earned
I think they had done enough to suggest a conflict, esp when
her parents are said to have left her - that was the core of her optimism from the last movie.
I think one of the signs of how crowded the movie was was the music. Each character had a theme, and same for battles and places and moods. The music was constantly changing and never settled. It only fit properly at the end for a very fitting scene involving Luke.
I wouldn't say so, in the last movie she wanted to do what's right because she's a good person... She was optimistic about finding her parents, but it never drove her actions.
Joining the guy who killed Han Solo though? Nah, wouldn't work for me.
I guess that's why these films can't win... For everything that happens, people will always want something else to have happened instead.
Sure, but then the point surely was (and I can’t believe that I’m defending the dramatic integrity of Star Wars FFS) that they both lose their mentor figure (who was only really holding them back) and step up to replace them as the main representatives of light & dark going into the last film.
One of the things I disagreed with RLM about, was Jay saying this should’ve been the finale. That defeats the entire purpose. What wide eyed child wants to see a trilogy where a 60 year old man wins out the day and is the big hero? That’s what old trilogy fans want. A continuation of their films. But they’ve had their films. This one is for their kids.
This whole furore has only cemented my perception of Star Wars and it’s fans. I’m pretty sure I said in the Force Awakens thread that a lot of people are going to be really annoyed when they find out it isn’t high art, and essentially just the Harry Potter franchise in space.
@Mockney do you like Star Wars?
It's just fun entertainment for children. The difference is back in the old days...it looked so much better than other movies set in space with furry aliens. Anyway, I used to think Empire was the best of the lot but I decided a few years back that ROTJ is the best of lot. It's just so much fun and it's got cute midget creatures that kick arse.
I don’t dislike it, but I’ve long been of the opinion it’s the most overrated thing in popular culture. People have been taking it far too seriously, and imbuing it with far more profundity than it deserves for decades, largely because it was the first zeitgeist movie for the current generation of cultural arbiters.
So while this film undoubtedly has a lot of flaws (and is criminally long) the unbridled hate towards it is more a projection of their own sense of loss than an accurate appraisal of its quality.
Or something.
That’s exactly what they are though. That’s why those characters are in the films and that’s why it’s made as much money as it has. If it was only for the new generation then they would’ve used a different story. But of course profits would’ve suffered.
Indeed. And this is a perfectly good modern version of “fun entertainment for children”...So the slew of (largely white and male) over 35s spewing bile into the ether because it didn’t give a ropey looking fish-man most famous for a meme an epic, fitting death scene (or my personal favourite, that a character had purple hair*) is ludicrous to the extreme.
* There’s genuinely a Collider video where one of their panelists insists they need to explain it in a tie in novel, because, you know, the world is mad.
They’re in there to provide continuity, and yes, something for the dads to shell out coin for. But their ultimate purpose - as made explicitly clear in this one - is to give narrative support to the new cast. The cast modern kids are going to be dressing up and running around the playground as.
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Off-topic, so apologies, but I finally saw the Thin Red Line Spoons, fantastic it was as well.
Have yet to see this Star Wars but the inevitable arguments always give me a good laugh.
That’s the choice made by this film and one of the things people are criticising though. I’m sure a lot of kids will enjoy it but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a continuation of the old films when it blatantly is.
Ok I’m lost
What’s with the white male comment, I’m completely out of the loop here?
For me, I’d consider myself a huge fan of the movies and have seen them all multiple times. Very much enjoyed Disney’s efforts until this one.
But I don’t think there is any narrative to my dislike. I just thought it was significantly worse then the previous 2 movies
Mockney debating Star Wars is a sure-fire sign it's Christmas, that and all the Christmas stuff about I guess.
You can’t have a Star Wars thread without mockney. He fecking loves talking about it
It's a continuation with the conscious choice to make the old protagonists supporting characters. Luke is not the hero of this series of films, it's not his story. Therefore he can't be the one to save everyone at the conclusion of a trilogy. He isn't supposed to be the one driving the narrative forward.
It’s not his story but the storyline of the first film was the quest to find him and he was the main character in the second one. If these films are supposed to be all about the new characters then it’s just another stick to beat them with because the old characters have dominated the first two films and the new characters only have one film left.
He is totally right.
It is up to them to determine whether it was a steaming pile of shite or not though.
He's a plot device in the first film, and a supporting character in this one. Rey, Finn and Poe are clearly the primary characters driving the plot. He gets an extra act tacked on at the end to give his character a fitting exit.
In what way did Finn or Poe drive the plot? Nothing they did had any bearing on the plot at all. Perhaps Poe at the start. Finn literally did nothing. Even Rey played very little part in the plot. In no way was Luke Skywalker a supporting character.
Anyone else think the casino scene was pointless?
Yes many. But it gives Finn something to do..
The biggest moment in the movie for me was Laura Dern's character sacrificing herself. I watched that scene thinking it would've made more sense had Leia been the one to do it. I also hated the way they told Luke about Han's death. Where's Han?..... CUT.....
Just few of many things I just didn't get.