But it's how they found the coder guy, how else would they have implemented that?
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But it's how they found the coder guy, how else would they have implemented that?
Yep he certainly is.Where were the Knights of Ren? Was it their week off or something?
They literally say multiple times that they have allies in the outer rim, they were spending most of the film trying to contact them.
I think the chap above has it nailed tbh. Johnson was doing what he wanted and there's clearly no overall plan for this trilogy. Disney won't care either way as it will still make money.
Keep chuckling to myself at how bad it was. Shame as well because I thought the bombing run opening was quite strong.
I think that's quite a poor comment to make. Your basically calling John a token black.
This entire trilogy though is a beginning not an end. Its the start of dozens of future Star Wars movies, shows, cartoons, books rather than the end of a 9 movie story arc that Lucas originally planned in 1978. I look at this trilogy as bridging the gap between the old Star Wars and advancing it to the point where we will see new stories for decades (or as long as they sell). I don't think the end of Epi.9 will be some grand series finale type ending but more the end of the beginning if that makes sense.
There is no chance Disney just allowed Rian to do whatever with the main characters of the movie or even gave him a complete free reign with the plot. I mean supposedly killing off Luke could not have happened without their approval and personally I don't think even Rey's parentage reveal was done without studio's approval.
Maybe. Tbh the fact they didn't just reshoot the Leia Poppins scene to have her character actually die there says it all. Now they have to write her out off screen in the last one. I mean it wouldn't have even been a big deal to reshoot and edit out her scenes after. Not like she did anything to move the plot anywhere (was there a plot aside from the rebels fleeing the first order the entire length of the movie?) but I'm guessing they thought it would be disrespectful to do so.
Did you like it btw?
Yeah I did. But I have never been a SW fan. Empire Strikers back was the only SW movie I liked. I think they botched the ending in this one and as previously said have not really established a good villain for the whole trilogy but on the whole I enjoyed this more than TFA.
Yeah they're not masterpieces by any stretch of the imagination but for me this failed as not only a decent film in its own right but also as a continuation from the the original trilogy. I've just been watching some Mark Hamill interviews on YouTube and you can tell he absolutely hates it. What they did to his character was absurd imo.
Without a doubt I agree, the trilogy was written with the 3rd movie knowing it was going to start from here, what I'm interested in is how they wrap it up. While I enjoyed both new movies it seems they have written themselves into a hole and how they get out of it is going to be interesting but no doubt they have the answer since the beginning.
Atm we have a small resistance who are clinging on, a villain who doesn't want to be a villain but kind of does. Finn has very little to do and only Rey vs Kylo remains, its kind of weird but I still loved they didn't take the obvious route. The is no way Rian just decided to do whatever plot he liked, whatever way he like and let who he wanted to live and die, live and die. It's all part of some great (or not so great) plan and the 3rd movie will make or break this one too I feel.
For what it's worth, Johnson has outright stated he was pretty much given a free reign with this film. Obviously his choices had to be approved by those above him but there were no pre-designated plot points he had to hit, the direction the characters in the film took came from him.
For example, in relation to Rey's parents he said that:
In this interview he describes just how free he was in terms of decision making from about 4.55 on:
For example, in relation to Rey's parents he said that:
he made the decision to have them be nobodies but Abrahms could subvert that in the third film if he so chooses. In other words it isn't something they had pre-planned.
In this interview he describes just how free he was in terms of decision making from about 4.55 on:
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That is actually a depressing thought, Star Wars becoming a Marvel style franchise, films every year, forgotten about 5 mins after you leave the cinema.
This underwhelmed me in so many ways. As a lot of you guys have alluded to, there was so little coherence between 7 and 8 which I felt was extremely unsatisfying.
Did anyone spot Hux reaching for what looked like a lightsaber when standing over a winded Kylo Ren after his battle against Snoke's guards? A potentially excellent twist.
But Luke Skywalker considered killing Ben Solo? Come off it. Even if the film is essentially saying there is good and bad inside everyone.
But Luke Skywalker considered killing Ben Solo? Come off it. Even if the film is essentially saying there is good and bad inside everyone.
He was reaching for his blaster wasn't he?
Agree with the second part completely. This is the guy who spent the best part of the original trilogy trying to convince the most evil man in the galaxy (successfully I might add) that he still had some good in him and we're supposed to accept that he'd kill his sister's kid in his sleep because he's been having some dark thoughts.
He was reaching for his blaster wasn't he?
Agree with the second part completely. This is the guy who spent the best part of the original trilogy trying to convince the most evil man in the galaxy (successfully I might add) that he still had some good in him and we're supposed to accept that he'd kill his sister's kid in his sleep because he's been having some dark thoughts.
It was only in ROTJ that Luke was trying to get Vader to turn, up to then he hated him because he thought he killed his Dad and would probably have been quite happy to kill him.
Plus in ROTJ he sensed good in Vader whereas in this one I think he says he only sensed darkness in Kylo (or something along those lines?). I think he also outright says he can't turn Kylo? Fairly different situations then really.
Not only that, he gives him a proper good thrashing in the throne room until he cuts the hand off and remembers his own. The great thing about Luke was he went to the edge and stepped back. He has the temptation and it fades. Same case here, but the consequence differed.
Well that's semantics and my post was exaggerated for dramatic effect. Point being that there's no way I'm buying that as a realistic character arc for Luke and neither clearly is Mark Hamill.
Well anyway I think we can all agree that in the battle of Star Wars Vs Star Trek, Stardust is better than both.
It was a fairly crap story, but also thoroughly enjoyable spectacle. I liked the big stuff like the battles and the little stuff like the creatures that persuade Chewie to flirt with vegetarianism. The glue that held this stuff together? notsomuch. Luke was good, as was Leia, Holdo and Ren. Still not keen on Rey - relieved about her parentage though. Felt the entire casino storyline was a waste of time and effort designed only to provide Finn with a point. Wasn't particularly fond of the lectures surrounding that sequence either - just show folk for Christ's sake. Didn't particularly mind the Mary Poppins moment - felt a bit out of place but ok - One of the main points of this trilogy is to demonstrate the independence of women so it seemed kind of natural to give the matriarch some sort of superpower that she can activate to save herself at a moment of crisis.
Loved Holdo's choice (and mini character arc)- good lesson in heroism and the cinematics were absolutely spectacular for that final sequence. Thought the scene in Snoke's chamber was also excellent - as was the beginning segment, Rey's Falcon run and Luke's meditation. In fact I thought all the big set piece stuff worked brilliantly and because of that I had a good enough time in the theatre. That and the constantly charming bit part characters certainly allowed me to better cope with a story that I felt took a back seat to planning the next wowza moment.
6 (and a couple of crumbs)/10
Loved Holdo's choice (and mini character arc)- good lesson in heroism and the cinematics were absolutely spectacular for that final sequence. Thought the scene in Snoke's chamber was also excellent - as was the beginning segment, Rey's Falcon run and Luke's meditation. In fact I thought all the big set piece stuff worked brilliantly and because of that I had a good enough time in the theatre. That and the constantly charming bit part characters certainly allowed me to better cope with a story that I felt took a back seat to planning the next wowza moment.
6 (and a couple of crumbs)/10
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Not read all the comments but just been to see it.
Loved it, did anyone else pick up on the Jedi force in the little boy at the end....that broom definitely moved before he picked it up!
Loved it, did anyone else pick up on the Jedi force in the little boy at the end....that broom definitely moved before he picked it up!
Yeah, I saw that. Subtle enough that you doubt yourself, but definitely there given everyone who mentions it.
Saw it yesterday and while it may be a good, better than good, stand alone film, in terms of continuity in the main Skywalker films, I don't like it.
There is a lot that is done well:
Strong performances from new and old cast alike. The set pieces are all well done - it's easy to take these things for granted but you would notice if they were poor. Proper, ESB Yoda - brought a year to my eye. As did R2 playing Leia's original holo recording to Luke. Interesting take on what force ghosts can now do. Chewie getting to show what a badass pilot he is.
But I can't see past Luke's plotline. I've been waiting years to see him go full on Jedi master - when he strolled out on Crait to confront the First Order, I thought here we go...except he never really does anything. What an awful way to go out. Not to mention his years in isolation. He panics and nearly tries to kill Ben when he senses darkness within him? Then hides away for years? I'm not buying it - this was the young man who risked everything to save his father, Vader. Hamill was right to question Luke's arc. I think it's awful.
There's other things I could moan about: Rey's adeptness withe Force with little/no training; Snoke; Hux. The film seems to go out if it's way to defy your expectations just because it can. I have no idea where they are going in the final part of the Trilogy. This may be a good thing but I'm also worried that this is because Disney have no idea either.
I apologise if this has all come across as the rantings of a fanboy which I admit I am. I'll see the film at least one more time and maybe it will change my mind. Most of my friends and family loved it, as do many posting in here, so maybe the biggest problem is that the film didn't deliver what I wanted.
There is a lot that is done well:
Strong performances from new and old cast alike. The set pieces are all well done - it's easy to take these things for granted but you would notice if they were poor. Proper, ESB Yoda - brought a year to my eye. As did R2 playing Leia's original holo recording to Luke. Interesting take on what force ghosts can now do. Chewie getting to show what a badass pilot he is.
But I can't see past Luke's plotline. I've been waiting years to see him go full on Jedi master - when he strolled out on Crait to confront the First Order, I thought here we go...except he never really does anything. What an awful way to go out. Not to mention his years in isolation. He panics and nearly tries to kill Ben when he senses darkness within him? Then hides away for years? I'm not buying it - this was the young man who risked everything to save his father, Vader. Hamill was right to question Luke's arc. I think it's awful.
There's other things I could moan about: Rey's adeptness withe Force with little/no training; Snoke; Hux. The film seems to go out if it's way to defy your expectations just because it can. I have no idea where they are going in the final part of the Trilogy. This may be a good thing but I'm also worried that this is because Disney have no idea either.
I apologise if this has all come across as the rantings of a fanboy which I admit I am. I'll see the film at least one more time and maybe it will change my mind. Most of my friends and family loved it, as do many posting in here, so maybe the biggest problem is that the film didn't deliver what I wanted.
A completely different story would be a good start.
And they also said that they'd read the messages and left them to it. Some friends.
Yeah, but that was without a Jedi to rally round.
Disney clearly have no plan for the trilogy. They are just making it up as they go, trying to wing it. They know the films are going to make at least $1 billion each if not much more.
Leia should have been the one to crash the rebel ship into the dreadnought, instead of the new character Admiral Holdo. That would have made it much more meaningful and would have been an emotional way for the character to end.
Also Kylo turning after killing Snoke would have been a good character arc. Instead neither he nor Rey turn which reduces interest. It is obvious Hamill hates the movie, he seems less than enthused in every interview he does. Absolute rubbish way for Luke to go. I was sat in the theatre after the first hour surprised at how bad it was. The opening scene was good and then it rather fell apart. They didn't show anything about the Jedi Order or show any significant scenes of Luke training Rey.
Rian Johnson is obviously not capable of directing a SW film. JJ must be furious. What's he going to do for the next one? Most of the interesting teasers he had introduced in TFA have been done away with by Johnson.
Leia should have been the one to crash the rebel ship into the dreadnought, instead of the new character Admiral Holdo. That would have made it much more meaningful and would have been an emotional way for the character to end.
Also Kylo turning after killing Snoke would have been a good character arc. Instead neither he nor Rey turn which reduces interest. It is obvious Hamill hates the movie, he seems less than enthused in every interview he does. Absolute rubbish way for Luke to go. I was sat in the theatre after the first hour surprised at how bad it was. The opening scene was good and then it rather fell apart. They didn't show anything about the Jedi Order or show any significant scenes of Luke training Rey.
Rian Johnson is obviously not capable of directing a SW film. JJ must be furious. What's he going to do for the next one? Most of the interesting teasers he had introduced in TFA have been done away with by Johnson.
Finally was able to see it, even was able to avoid spoilers.
Good, bordering great movie, but didn't like how dragged out the Finn-Rose arc felt.
Did feel like a shot from one director to the former when they mentioned that Rey had no lineage, but it did seem like a plausible lie from Ren in order to try and force her to feel the need to accept the proposal in order to have a place to belong.
Good, bordering great movie, but didn't like how dragged out the Finn-Rose arc felt.
Did feel like a shot from one director to the former when they mentioned that Rey had no lineage, but it did seem like a plausible lie from Ren in order to try and force her to feel the need to accept the proposal in order to have a place to belong.
Don't think they're gonna turn their noses up at their help! Let's be honest, getting a message saying they've lost their entire fleet because of strategic blunders and facing a far superior force, you wouldn't rush over without a second thought.
One thing this trilogy has benefited from is the fact George Lucas is only a consultant. If he had a bigger say on these films like the other ones they would be a complete disaster.
Loved it! No need for some of the funny stuff but otherwise I thought excellent.
Jeremy Jahns has a fantastic breakdown of it thats just went up.
I wont post it cause Im a fan and want him to have the views so go search on Youtube!
I wont post it cause Im a fan and want him to have the views so go search on Youtube!
That's not what I was getting at. I thought he was very good in TFA and was one of the best parts of that film. I wouldn't suggest he was cast because he's black at all.
I'm being old and cynical about how Disney seem to be a bit ham fisted with diversity. Diversity is a good thing, but something feels off about how Disney handle it.
I'm thinking not. Far too much effort to.watch a YouTube gobshite.
Why is everyone assuming that Rey's parents are "nobodies" just because Ren said so?
Only two minutes in, but the lightsaber was the one Ben had at the academy, right? That's why he goes "that lightsaber belongs to me!" in TFA.
It makes more sense thematically, and Ren has little reason to say that as a lie (I'd have thought "we're cousins!" would be a better lie to convince her over).
Luke dusting off his shoulder after walking out of the dust-cloud from heavy gunfire summed up the movie for me.
A perfect example of the multitude of decisions that butchered this movie would be vice admiral holdo's? character.
If you swapped her out completely with admiral ahkbar in her role, it becomes a much better plot point. Because it gives a send off to a much loved fan favourate, who got killed off bloody screen for feck sake.
Akhbar sacrifising himself for the fleet would have been a damn sight more epic and meaningful than introducing a new character nobody has any attachment to, or gives a shit about. They managed to kill 0 birds with 2 stones.
If you swapped her out completely with admiral ahkbar in her role, it becomes a much better plot point. Because it gives a send off to a much loved fan favourate, who got killed off bloody screen for feck sake.
Akhbar sacrifising himself for the fleet would have been a damn sight more epic and meaningful than introducing a new character nobody has any attachment to, or gives a shit about. They managed to kill 0 birds with 2 stones.
Got to say, that shot
was the most breathtaking thing I've seen on a cinema screen, even if it was a little silly. Beautiful.
This is where it fell down, bigtime. Imagine a film where the beginning, middle and end are all written and directed by different people. Ridicuous.