Watched this yesterday. Loved it.
Cinema was half empty though which I found strange.
Cinema was half empty though which I found strange.
Film Star Wars: Episode VIII
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i love star wars, ive posted on a star wars message board like this since 1999 fgs
but i didn't like this movie. i really don't understand the overall theme, if it's to do with ren's redemption then i don't care. it's the same story. what's the overall story? chasing a handful of rebels seems a waste of time. there were some good bits, and luke was great, but rey is still too perfect, and the story a bit all over the place. i thought this was going to be the esb dark equivalent and it was far from that. too much action, too.
but i didn't like this movie. i really don't understand the overall theme, if it's to do with ren's redemption then i don't care. it's the same story. what's the overall story? chasing a handful of rebels seems a waste of time. there were some good bits, and luke was great, but rey is still too perfect, and the story a bit all over the place. i thought this was going to be the esb dark equivalent and it was far from that. too much action, too.
Struggle to see it being about Ren's redemption now; that ending pretty much solidified him as the overall big villain.
ill be glad it isn't that, but then what is the overall story then? i have no clue. its too late now for anything to happen to rey, besides her fall in love with poe.
The reviews from the actual audience on imdb so far has been quite amusing.
I'd imagine the last one will just be the rebels overcoming the First Order, and Rey overcoming her own inner conflict while fighting Ren. Hopefully with an interesting twist so it's not just a rehash of ROTJ.
You know those are completely unreliable though right? On both IMBD and Rotten Tomatoes, people can review/rate the movie without having even seen it yet. Audience metrics are generally extremely unreliable.
The theme seems to be the sins of the father coming to fruition in a new generation.
This is the key though; the people who like this new trilogy (myself included) like it because they like the new characters. If you don't like Rey, Finn, Poe, or Kylo Ren, this trilogy will never work for you. If you do like these characters, the new trilogy is a real delight. I for example fundamentally disagree with you about Kylo, I think he's a very compelling character. But I understand why he doesn't work for everyone, and that's fine. This stuff is subjective, and we shouldn't be invalidating each other's opinions to the extent that we have over the last few days (not saying you are at all, just using your comment to point this out).
I know people for instance that never liked the original Star Wars trilogy because they found Luke and Leia to be whiney and bratty respectively.
Its worth noting that as they haven't given Snoke any sort of backstory, you can completely believe he is Plagueis if you want to. I always liked the theory, so now in my headcanon (which is perfectly legitimate for each individual IMO), Plagueis is Snoke. Adds an extra layer to the trilogy plus a nice bit of dramatic irony; just as Plagueis died was mortally wounded because he underestimated his apprentice Palpatine, he was defeated again because he underestimated Kylo.
It seems like this film splits opinions straight down the middle.
I didn't love or hate it. It was just alright like 7. Though, unlike them two, 9 won't have any of Luke, Leia or Han who were still the only interesting characters in this trilogy so, whilst I'm still interested in said movie, I don't have the highest of expectations.
I think @2 Man Midfield 's way would've been the better way to go. Plus we might've got Katarn in that scenario
I didn't love or hate it. It was just alright like 7. Though, unlike them two, 9 won't have any of Luke, Leia or Han who were still the only interesting characters in this trilogy so, whilst I'm still interested in said movie, I don't have the highest of expectations.
I think @2 Man Midfield 's way would've been the better way to go. Plus we might've got Katarn in that scenario
The cinema was barely a quarter full when I went on Thursday.
This was the worst Star Wars film ever made. The plot was beyond ridiculous with at least 10 truly bizarre scenes. Admiral Holdo crashes the rebel ship into the Star Destroyer at light speed and Finn and Rose manage to survive that but everyone around them is dead?! That was beyond ridiculous. What did you lads think of that?
And Luke wanting to kill Kylo when he was a kid didn't make any sense. He didn't want to kill Vader, instead he wanted to bring him back to the light side. But he wanted to kill Kylo who hadn't done anything wrong at that point and was just being seduced by Snoke?! Senseless!
And Luke wanting to kill Kylo when he was a kid didn't make any sense. He didn't want to kill Vader, instead he wanted to bring him back to the light side. But he wanted to kill Kylo who hadn't done anything wrong at that point and was just being seduced by Snoke?! Senseless!
Kylo is just a petulant child who's slowly maturing into his role of power - which more or less explains his general flaws, you know like "losing" to an untrained Rey, because he clearly sees it as no challenge. He doesn't just oddly accept being a bitch - which seemingly Vader among others in the series have done mostly, pure pawns. Snoke hasn't really been touched upon other much because he's mostly just there to develop Kylo's story and development.....pretty much as suggested in the above spoiler. Though I'm not overly sure how they close that in a third film....needs more....watch this space.
Just like Poe, the character are making genuine flaws. Which is why both are the stars, also helps that the best two actors are playing them - if you excuse minor roles getting played by the always superb Laura Dern.
Just like Poe, the character are making genuine flaws. Which is why both are the stars, also helps that the best two actors are playing them - if you excuse minor roles getting played by the always superb Laura Dern.
Anyone noticed any new music in this one? Might notice more on a rewatch but nothing really stood out to me.
I find fin a big distraction and a waste of time.
We got kylo ren, leia, rey, luke, han, dameron, and even chewie and han lacking character development and they spent it all on a storm trooper gone good.
The original trilogy keep it focused on han leia luke and it felt it got characters.
This new trilogy tries to cram so many charactets at once, 2 movies 5 hours onwards and we we have a much fin screentime than the rest of the original cast
We got kylo ren, leia, rey, luke, han, dameron, and even chewie and han lacking character development and they spent it all on a storm trooper gone good.
The original trilogy keep it focused on han leia luke and it felt it got characters.
This new trilogy tries to cram so many charactets at once, 2 movies 5 hours onwards and we we have a much fin screentime than the rest of the original cast
Unfortunately this trilogy happens to have a history which they couldn't ignore, but that history of characters has been used quite well to develop your core 4 characters. At no point have I seen Luke, Leia or Han being there other than to develop one of the four core cast really.
You probably see Finn as a distraction because well - he's away from most of it and well, his time in TLJ is essentially endless merch baiting and mostly horrendous.
Luke, Leia, Han and Vader is now Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo.
You probably see Finn as a distraction because well - he's away from most of it and well, his time in TLJ is essentially endless merch baiting and mostly horrendous.
Luke, Leia, Han and Vader is now Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo.
The only thing I've managed to think about the dreadnought scene was that Rise and Fin were kneeling when it hit so somehow avoided a blast that took out 250,000 storm troopers who were all stood up...
Yeah, I didn't say I put stock in the opinions, I said they were funny, for example one titled; "So this is how Star Wars dies, with Disney shareholders thunderous applause. "
Some of them have some genuine wit about them, rather than the tedious moaning you see here on the United section of the forum.
Contemplating on going for this today. However I haven't watched the last movie and anyone here could tell me how much I am going to miss not knowing what the last one's storyline was ?
Heh. Fair point.
Everyone around them wasn’t dead. There were a shit-load of stormtroopers and yer wan from game of thrones still alive. Obviously helped that they were lying down at point of impact. Seems a strange plot contrivance to get worked up about.
As well as that you saw people flying Tie Fighters out of there.
Last Star Wars I watched was the one in which they showed how Anakin became Darth, I don't even remember its name 
Never been a huge fan of this, I've always found it a bit pathetic seeing grown people dressed up as troopers or wiedling laser swords but that is another debate
I just wanna know if it's worth it getting back into it and watching the Star Wars movies I've missed.
Never been a huge fan of this, I've always found it a bit pathetic seeing grown people dressed up as troopers or wiedling laser swords but that is another debate I just wanna know if it's worth it getting back into it and watching the Star Wars movies I've missed.
Did anyone understand how Leia
survived the attack on the bridge when she got blown into space. That was one plot point that generally had me
Dunno what “force sensitive” means but she’s Luke Skywalker’s sister and he’s a shit hot jedi. So it kind of made sense that she can also do magic stuff. It was quite a cool scene, visually, too.
I mean rey and kylo is a given.
But damian and finn? They should just erase fin and lump it all on damien, as a replacement for han solo.
And finn looks alot like young denzel Washington it distracts me alot.
I guess they could do that? If they really wanted to? Shit super power though. She seemed to be nearly dead afterwards.
I do feel like Poe and Finn could be merged into one character and we wouldn't miss much. Finn's story line in this one was largely pointless and inconsequential. Hope he's paired up with Rey in the next one.
Thanks.
Did anyone understand how Leia
survived the attack on the bridge when she got blown into space. That was one plot point that generally had me
You could save yourself in space for a few minutes. The actual power to move through a zero g space like that would be barely anything. It looked crap I agree but would be easily enough to do.
I went at 1pm so maybe that's why?
It was a Saturday though. I don't think the cinema is popular these days, not like when I was a kid.
Saw it yesterday - cinema was busy but not packed.
That kid at the end used the force right?
That kid at the end used the force right?
With the Leia thing
Isn't it entirely possible that Ren saved her since he dicking about in his spaceship near her? I know it doesn't really make sense with Leia's hand movement, but that could have always been done for misdirection.
Fair enough, i thought he did!
And are we buying that Rey's parents are nobodies?
He definitely did. When he picked up the broom. That seemed a fairly clear plot point to me.
One other thought: I’ve seen people defending the disregard for the previous film and many fans’ expectations, by quoting the Ren line “burn it all to the ground”. As if that is the thematic message of the film.
To me that communicates how TLJ fails, because that very much isn’t its theme. Rey rejects it because, yes, whilst traditions and organisations can become corrupted, there is always some truth, some fundamental goodness or hope, worth holding onto.
It’s there in the film: Rey holding on to the texts, “I won’t be the last Jedi”, etc… but because Rey never rebuts Kylo, it’s not communicated clearly enough (IMO).
I will say that in comparison to TFA there is much more to discuss and mull over in this film, for good or bad. It doesn’t deserve to be ripped apart; but nor did it deserve the embargo lift “best Star Wars ever” response.
I mean it’s a great way of understanding how the internet has fecked politics when you see how polarised the discussion about a film can become.
To me that communicates how TLJ fails, because that very much isn’t its theme. Rey rejects it because, yes, whilst traditions and organisations can become corrupted, there is always some truth, some fundamental goodness or hope, worth holding onto.
It’s there in the film: Rey holding on to the texts, “I won’t be the last Jedi”, etc… but because Rey never rebuts Kylo, it’s not communicated clearly enough (IMO).
I will say that in comparison to TFA there is much more to discuss and mull over in this film, for good or bad. It doesn’t deserve to be ripped apart; but nor did it deserve the embargo lift “best Star Wars ever” response.
I mean it’s a great way of understanding how the internet has fecked politics when you see how polarised the discussion about a film can become.
Apparently you can here the music from Episode 3 when Palpatine talks about Plagueis in Snoke's Throne Room scene. Can't remember it but that would be pretty cool even if the shock for hardcore fans might be even bigger after that and that might be the reason why they did it
An article about the ending.
http://ew.com/movies/2017/12/16/the...son-mark-hamill-luke-skywalker-revelations/2/
http://ew.com/movies/2017/12/16/the...son-mark-hamill-luke-skywalker-revelations/2/
I thought it was excellent. This trilogy is head and shoulders above Lucas' second efforts. Can't wait for the next one.
Another thing is that finn and Rose storyline detracts the sw experience, the whole casino stuff feels alot like disney instead of star wars.
Yeah that music is definitely in there. I don't think its enough to consider that theory canon though, maybe just enough to be a nod to the fans. But that was my point, it doesn't matter anymore. Snoke is dead, and we don't have a backstory for him, so he can literally be whoever or whatever you as a fan want him to be. And for me, the best way to add meaning to his presence in the sequel trilogy is for him to be Plageius, so in my personal headcanon, that's who he is.