It's possible they clear it up in the next one.
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It's possible they clear it up in the next one.
Rian Johnson has said:
That as far as he's concerned Kylo Ren was being honest, that's actually what he saw. At the same time, he also said it's really up to JJ Abrahms now if he wants to follow through on that in the next film.
Johnson said Rey's parents being nobodies made sense to him because, as with Luke finding out Vader is his father in ESB, it's the worst thing Rey could hear at that point in the story.
Johnson said Rey's parents being nobodies made sense to him because, as with Luke finding out Vader is his father in ESB, it's the worst thing Rey could hear at that point in the story.
Rian Johnson talks sense.
That's one of the problems I have with this trilogy. There doesn't seem to be a plan in place across the three movies. Who Rey's parents were should have been known when they wrote it as a mystery in TFA. Feels like Johnson was able to answer some really key questions entirely on his own and now it's up to JJ to pick up the pieces for the next one. Even now he's talking as if JJ has the option to change it. This should have been set in stone since the beginning.
The same is equally true of the original trilogy though. As far as I'm aware they didn't decide Vader was Luke's father until the second film either. It's not like it was part of a great masterplan from the outset.
Yup. But the excuse they had back then was no one knew if they would get to make another. And it was all from the mind of one person, not a story committee.
It's certainly a strange way of doing it, I agree. Especially when you consider that JJ Abrahms wasn't originally going to direct the third film either. It's interesting that the next trilogy has been handed to Johnson in its entirety. That makes more sense to me, though maybe they thought someone like JJ was a safer pair of hands to kickstart the franchise again.
It's clear Rian wants to move away from limiting the story to just being a glorified family soap opera. The last scene pretty much spelt it out. JJ Abrams don't really have that many options anyway, you can't retcon Rey being a Skywalker now. Only available route is introduce new characters of some importance to be her parents. I think her character is something that SW fans are right to be grump over, it has been mishandled in both the movies. I was half expecting her to be stronger than Snoke too.
Rose is indeed a terriblely pointless character. I also felt that casino felt very out of place
Went to see the new one in (full to capacity) IMAX 3D last night - that's the best way to see these movies. I'm a Star Wars fan without being an uber geek. Loved it. It hit so many Star Wars buttons and was just a really enjoyable fun movie.
It is Disney now. You can't expect them to buy the franchise and not put their mark on it. Not exactly a bad thing either.
One thing I wasn't sure of - are they hinting that Poe is also a Jedi? At some points he was "seeing things" from far away, that's a Jedi power / the Force right?
No that’s elves from LotR’s
I kind of feel like they couldve made a great film about Kylon Ren's training and his turn.
He did want to kill Vader, until he found out he was his father. Then he tried to kill the emperor when the chance arose, because it was pointless trying to save him. And what I've always got out of the Vader of the originals is that finding out he had a son reawakened the tiniest spark of humanity in him, which Luke saw and clung on to. But this time, according to Luke, Ben was completely gone to him at that moment (and that's an important qualifier), and he panicked for a split second. He'd known what happened with Anakin and Obi-Wan and saw history repeating. The point of Luke's story in this is that the greatest of heroes, living legends, are still fallible and capable of learning painful lessons.
I’d say it adds quite a lot to Star Wars actually. I really liked seeing that planet.
The casino planet sequence felt like a detour at the time but it did play a big part in Finn's character arc, along with introducing us Del Toro's character (who I assume we'll see again) and set up the force sensetive kid at the end (which seemed thematically important).
It really would not be retcon if it turned out Kylo was either lieing or had seen a false image fed to him by Snoke. After all Ren and Rey each had a different vision of how the meeting with Snoke would go or at least Ren claimed to.
They fulfilled the diversity quota and we all know that's what films are about now. Finn doesn't even feel like he's part of the storyline now, like he's an after thought they have to keep in.
Don't think there is any plausible excuse for either Leia or Luke abandoning here. After showing so much power, Luke never once brings up her as possibly related to their blood line some how. It would be a retcon IMO since they clearly meant the Rey parentage realisation scene to be this movie's "I am your father".
You are right that if they are intent on making her one, they could come up with a plan after doing some mental gymnastics.
I don't think for one minute that JJ had complete control over 7's story, same with Johnson for this one - there's may be parts they have written or had input into but the idea that all the films will have only been thought about in isolation is almost certainly incorrect.
The Rey thing with her parents I don't really get either...the whole her being a Skywalker or Kenobi is not at all mentioned in the films. Same with Snoke's backstory...it seems more and more like the people complaining are bashing it because they'd built themselves up to thinking something would happen based on Internet fan fiction.
The whole thing about Rey's parentage doesn't make sense from the characters perspective. Why would she care that they're nobodies?
She's spent the last two films looking for parent/parent-figures, partly as a way of trying to figure out who she is. I think Ren even points to this as her great weakness? In fact when we first meet her she's still waiting for them to come back for her. For her to find out they're unimportant nobodies who willingly sold her is pretty harsh given their identity is so central to her character.
Because she (and the viewer) assumes her talent/skills must come from somewhere special. It's also likely she's (and everyone else) heard stories of Luke's rise from farm boy to savour of the Galaxy etc and she's fantasised that she's destined for similar greatness. It's not a leap to understand why she isn't thrilled at her origin.
Her origin isn't set in stone yet. Kylo might be lying.
Who knows... My bet is rey im your mother/father all over again.
Maybe Luke banged some random who was Rey's mom. It does seem highly unlikely she is a sky walker. It seems they did suggest that Snote supposedly gave her and Ren the visions he wanted them to see.
Well not everyone on the ship was dead though were they, you might want to watch it again.
Luke wanting to take out Ren when he realized he was a HUGE danger, yeah why would he do that? Oh wait he to had his own struggles with the dark side even explaining in that moment that he was blinded by anger and fear before realizing he should not do it. Only to have Ren wake up at the wrong time. Not really difficult to grasp, unless you just don't want to.
It wasn't just him, she sensed it too. I think we have to assume that this it's true - anybody who spends a further few years hoping/believing that Snoke will get explained, her parentage changed, Luke back as a force ghost etc to appease fans is on a course for yet more disappointment.
We'll see but this film was clearly an attempt to step away from the original trilogy (a film too late IMO) and any attempt to go back to repeating the original trilogy would be a big mistake IMO. It's difficult to gauge if it's the usual minority of Internet nerds complaining or there really are a lot of people who hated it.
Either way, the painful part has been done - I don't think it was perfect and understand why people might be disappointed but it's time to accept it or just don't watch it. If you (not aimed at you) don't like it, enjoy the original trilogy and stop watching the new ones.
Well that was as bad as I was expecting. Not sure which was more cringe - Leia force flying through space or "that's why we do the things we do" kiss scene near the end. Shame because the bombing run at the start was quite promising.
Doesn't even work as a kid's film either as my 9 year old stepson was bored to tears for most of it.
Makes Attack of the Clones look like Citizen Kane.
Doesn't even work as a kid's film either as my 9 year old stepson was bored to tears for most of it.
Makes Attack of the Clones look like Citizen Kane.
Did anyone understand how Leia
survived the attack on the bridge when she got blown into space. That was one plot point that generally had me. I understand she is Force-sensitive, but come on now.
Nah. I dont care either way. For me it's just a movie, i dont have a theory champion.
I just think it's too simple and unlikely her parents is a nobody. The 2 movies kinda built up her lineage as the main mistery, it'll be illogical from movie perspective to finish that arc with one statement from kylo ren.
I think the best thing for moving the series forward is exactly what Johnson did with Rey - her parents were nobodies. I was very happy to see that. Its ultimately the best for the long term future of the series if the galaxy expands beyond just this genetic dominance of one family. I really hope they go with that and Ren was not lying. If she becomes a Kenobi or Skywalker I would be very disappointed as its just too neat and tidy and shrinks this immense galaxy too much.
One of the main themes of the film is that people from anywhere can rise up to be heroes, would be dumb to change the parentage thing just because fans are sulking.
The selling her part i'm totally on board with, but are you also saying she's also devastated to find out she's not the daughter of celebrities?
Ha, I more meant they're nobodies in terms of her own identity. Though I'm sure finding out that you're not a long lost space-Kardashian is a devestating moment too.
I saw it early this morning, I really enjoyed it, I liked the Force Awakens but this was a lot better, I don't know if anyone else thought this but it had a bit of an Empire Strikes Back vibe about some of it. The characters have a lot more personality in this film, I thought Kylo Ren would be a bit more mature than he was, he's still a bit of an emo kid, not a strong enough bad guy still.
I only watched two trailers in the build up to the films release so I didn't have an awful lot of insight into what was going to happen. I was left slightly underwhelmed that Rey's parents are just "Nobodies". I had a feeling that she was the child of Han and Leia but at the same time they never mentioned anywhere about them having a daughter.
I wasn't expecting Snoke to be killed off, it was a bit of a shame really because I would've liked to have heard a bit of background story to him.
People complaining about the casino scene I find a bit unnecessary and a tad bit cynical, it takes nothing away from the film and it doesn't look in any way out of place.
I only watched two trailers in the build up to the films release so I didn't have an awful lot of insight into what was going to happen. I was left slightly underwhelmed that Rey's parents are just "Nobodies". I had a feeling that she was the child of Han and Leia but at the same time they never mentioned anywhere about them having a daughter.
I wasn't expecting Snoke to be killed off, it was a bit of a shame really because I would've liked to have heard a bit of background story to him.
People complaining about the casino scene I find a bit unnecessary and a tad bit cynical, it takes nothing away from the film and it doesn't look in any way out of place.
I'm almost wondering if this Rian guy has beef with JJ.
It's like he fecked off most of the interesting stuff from force awakens and has left him with a fecking right shit show of an ending to try and close off a trilogy.
There's only 20 rebels left in a relatively tiny ship. How are you supposed to finish off a trilogy with that? That's the kind of thing that would be a good start point to a trilogy not a finale.
It's like he fecked off most of the interesting stuff from force awakens and has left him with a fecking right shit show of an ending to try and close off a trilogy.
There's only 20 rebels left in a relatively tiny ship. How are you supposed to finish off a trilogy with that? That's the kind of thing that would be a good start point to a trilogy not a finale.
It's just shit though. That part is just a shit storyline.
Finn in general for me just didn't really work as a character in this one.
I like Boyega and he was very good in TFA but he didn't really serve any point in this one. His transition from First Order to hero was already complete, meaning there wasn't much to build on beyond that.
I like Boyega and he was very good in TFA but he didn't really serve any point in this one. His transition from First Order to hero was already complete, meaning there wasn't much to build on beyond that.
I must be weird, I'd have it in my top 3 SW films. Behind Epi 4 and 5 and on a par with 7.
I quite like the fact they just did what they wanted and pretty much every fan theory was wrong (which I believe is why most (not all) of the hardcore critics are coming from.) Thought it was hilarious.
All that predicted Kylo would turn (though I'm still unsure in the long run but more than likely not as he's the only villain left bar that annoying guy), that Rey would turn, that Rey's parents were important. It's like they took every fan theory, flirted with it and then said "feck you". I thought it was great, the Leia scene was about the only one I left really disappointed with. Seemed like something the walking dead would do or something.
Really like the fact Poe had such a big part in this one, easily my fave of the new characters. Also didn't find Kylo nearly as annoying as the last time, he's still a My Chemical Romance fan for sure but he just seemed to act it out better. It was easily the least predictable SW movie and everything I thought was gonna happen didn't.
I quite like the fact they just did what they wanted and pretty much every fan theory was wrong (which I believe is why most (not all) of the hardcore critics are coming from.) Thought it was hilarious.
All that predicted Kylo would turn (though I'm still unsure in the long run but more than likely not as he's the only villain left bar that annoying guy), that Rey would turn, that Rey's parents were important. It's like they took every fan theory, flirted with it and then said "feck you". I thought it was great, the Leia scene was about the only one I left really disappointed with. Seemed like something the walking dead would do or something.
Really like the fact Poe had such a big part in this one, easily my fave of the new characters. Also didn't find Kylo nearly as annoying as the last time, he's still a My Chemical Romance fan for sure but he just seemed to act it out better. It was easily the least predictable SW movie and everything I thought was gonna happen didn't.