Television Star Trek
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The rubbish characters part was what I was most worried about after watching the trailers. Oh dear.
Enjoyed those two eps, better than I expected. People have oddly high expectations for a Star Trek show, it's never been premium TV, more like quirky TV that lots of people can enjoy for different reasons.
It's not high expectations that they have. It's specific expectations of show that recaptures their childhood with the same old tired formula.
Just watched the first two episodes again. Slightly better the 2nd time around, especially as these are basically just setup narratives for future episodes. The production quality is however still really annoyingly cartoonish.
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A couple of years or so ago I had nothing to do and was flicking through the channels in the middle of the night and came across The Next Generation. I never had any intention of watching any series as I always found it to be cheesy and whatnot but I watched an episode and instantly became a fan. I still haven't watched that many episodes of the series but will occasionally watch a few episodes when time allows.
It's the characters that sucked me in. I love them all and honestly can't think of one I could do without.
It's the characters that sucked me in. I love them all and honestly can't think of one I could do without.
That's what I feel. People don't want hand-held cameras, they don't want Dutch angles and lens flares, they want understated shit that's mainly propped up by it trying to tackle themes that are age-old. I'd still insist on the last bit, but people getting pissy about the wrapping and making sweeping statements about the show after a couple of episodes need to check themselves. DS9 is much-loved, that started with dramatic flashbacks of a weird and hard to relate to Sisko, meeting up with his wife on the beach, and later on... well, it wasn't subtle and slow-paced, there was a lot of stuff going on in that first episode to establish his background. If people were to take this show's opening episodes in the same spirit and show a bit of patience, they might find themselves rewarded.
If it does nothing but drag us through explosions and confrontations and leaving us at cliff-hangers, then I'll be the first to denounce this as lacking the core values, but I think a lot of people are just primed and ready to hate this new-fangledness.
A lot of people have a high bar for Star Trek since they grow up with it and therefore expect the same quality in the current version, which sadly seems to not meet the standard of past series.
Beverley Crusher, Wesley Crusher.
I like them both!
Shut up Wesley
It's Will, actually.
It's Wil, actually.
You got me - I am not the real Wil Wheaton. I was Gates all along!
Having thought about it some more I still liked it but the main character, Michael, was fracking stupid. I didn’t really know what she was. A human raised by Vulcans to be Vulcan who’s humanity was coming out after spending 7 years with humans (ie being emotional and irrational) or just a stupid Vulcan. I mean “we need to fire on that ship” yeah that’s the most logical thing to do in that situation, from supposedly the most logical race in the galaxy. Then she herself tells the captain they can’t kill tu’ran as it’ll start a merciless war... only to kill him herself! Granted she was emotional losing her captain/mother like figure but really?! Her character just felt rushed and I hope it gets better going forward.
Few minor things that bugged me. The real time holographic thing was cool when I saw it but thinking back it’s not canon. It’s been established they didn’t have holograms in tos and this is 10 years behind that. Also the Klingons got cloaking Tec from the romulans in tos.
I still think it was a good watch and there were some nods to canon. In tng we heard kalass would return from the light. which is what I think the beacon was about. Tu’ran took his return not literally but rather the unification of the empire.
Few minor things that bugged me. The real time holographic thing was cool when I saw it but thinking back it’s not canon. It’s been established they didn’t have holograms in tos and this is 10 years behind that. Also the Klingons got cloaking Tec from the romulans in tos.
I still think it was a good watch and there were some nods to canon. In tng we heard kalass would return from the light. which is what I think the beacon was about. Tu’ran took his return not literally but rather the unification of the empire.
Actually I didn't hate it, will def. be watching it but then more as a general sci-fi than Star Trek.
In retrospect those reviews I've read seems a tad too harsh.
In retrospect those reviews I've read seems a tad too harsh.
I don't care for old Star Trek TV series', but love the recent Abrams/Justin Lin films... will I like this?
Yeah you’ll probably like it then.
Ps Watch the Orville and tell me if it’s worth watching. Thanks
I'm not being funny, but the past series' never had that high a quality bar. There was plenty great about them sure and I loved them, It was all daft sci-fi nonsense for the most part though done on a cheap enough budget that they could pump out 150+ episodes on each.
Well I suppose if you considered the previous shows "daft sci-fi nonsense" then you are starting with a very low bar. The trouble with the more recent series is that they have progressively inched further and further away from the original Roddenberry ethos, especially Enterprise and this one.
Don't really have high hopes for this series. Watched both episodes and have to say, the acting was horrible and the production values very low. No likable characters, nothing. This seems to be like the shite called Stargate Universe they put out after SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis.
I thought it was quite decent.
Although they should have kept the klingons looking like klingons we have seen previously.
Although they should have kept the klingons looking like klingons we have seen previously.
Liked it.
No idea where they are going to go from here.
No idea where they are going to go from here.
I've enjoyed it so far. I'm not too keen on the main character atm- she is basically just Chris Pine's Kirk, right? I'll probably warm to her though as I imagine it's a series I'll keep watching.
Also when is the next episode up on Netflix?
Also when is the next episode up on Netflix?
New episodes every Sunday night here on our streaming service so likely a similar time for International Netflix viewers.
Well tbh I watch through a US proxy as Netflix Timor-Leste isn't as as bursting with content as you might think.
Its not on Netflix in the US - just international. The only way to get it here is on CBS All Access, which is a paid streaming service.
Basically, except even more annoying
I liked SG-U! (most of the time)
They brought science fiction back into Stargate.
I feel sorry for you
I kept on watching it, but was bored out of my mind. Was glad when it got cancelled as I would not have to continue watching it. I am stilled pissed off about Stargate Atlantis being killed off. Want MGM to bring that show back.
I watched the first episode and found it watchable enough.
I don't find the characters very interesting so far but maybe that'll change as it goes on.
Voyager had the best crew/characters imo.
I don't find the characters very interesting so far but maybe that'll change as it goes on.
Voyager had the best crew/characters imo.
I think they said there will be a new episode every Monday. Watched the first one this morning. Definitely watchable but lilke many series you need a few episodes to get to know the characters. Like you, not overly keen on the captain at the moment - bottled it at the end.
I feel sorry for you
I kept on watching it, but was bored out of my mind. Was glad when it got cancelled as I would not have to continue watching it. I am stilled pissed off about Stargate Atlantis being killed off. Want MGM to bring that show back.
At the time they said they would make a couple of movies.
I feel sorry for you
I kept on watching it, but was bored out of my mind. Was glad when it got cancelled as I would not have to continue watching it. I am stilled pissed off about Stargate Atlantis being killed off. Want MGM to bring that show back.
Fair enough.
As I mentioned, series felt much more *science fiction-y* than its two predecessors, and that was something I appreciated. Less action, more Robert Carlyle also helped.
Saw the first two, thought they were okay, reminded me of JJTrek a bit, sort of more generic sci-fi than standard Star Trek... not that I particuarly enjoy regular Star Trek either mind.
A couple of friends who're longtime fans of the franchise both hated it, but they both hated JarJar Abrams reboot stuff also so it's to be expected I suppose.
A couple of friends who're longtime fans of the franchise both hated it, but they both hated JarJar Abrams reboot stuff also so it's to be expected I suppose.
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I respectfully disagree. I rewatched Encounter at Farpoint (TNG pilot). There was nothing hugely special about it. I'd even argue TNG didn't hit its stride until season 3.
I'm not saying Star Trek Discovery is currently good or great, I'm saying writing it off after 2 episodes isn't rational. Even more to the point is that the writer who wrote those episodes is gone so the subsequent episodes will likely have a different feel. My judgement is reserved until after the first season.
My problem isn't just the weak plot, its the time line (doing the articstically safe thing by going backwards instead of forwards), its the cartoonish CGI that looks like a video game, its the fact that its only available on a paid streaming service (which doesn't bode well for its exposure). All things said, its not impressive. That may change if the writing changes, but the other issues would still be a problem.
As for the Encounter at Farpoint episodes, I think we can safely say this chick is not going to be better than Patrick Stewart.
I agree about the going backwards instead of forwards. I wish it took place after Voyager. I also had a beef that the Stardate had a real date associated with it. The point of Stardates was to not put it in a place in 'our' time but keep it open ended (e.g. the 23rd century, sometime). The CGI I agree with as well. I wish they had a model, at least for the main ship (which we haven't seen yet). Alas the CGI seems to be par for the course these days. The paid streaming service is a horrendous call by CBS. I can't believe they pulled that stunt. Ridiculous IMO.
I still have hope that it will move to over-the-air television. Being in Canada we get it on network television with a cable subscription and on a streaming service if we choose.
Patrick Stewart/Captain Picard would be tough to match but I can hope she grows into the role. The one thing you said that I disagree with is that I don't think anyone can safely to say anything at this point. Too early on IMO.
This might my favourite new show in a while. If it didn't have the term 'Star Trek' in the title, it would be held in much higher regard and without the baggage of being camp or hammy.
The title is also a double edged sword in terms of the audience it attracts/repels. The producers probably should have called it something entirely different. Would have been for the best from all perspectives.
The title is also a double edged sword in terms of the audience it attracts/repels. The producers probably should have called it something entirely different. Would have been for the best from all perspectives.
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