Television Star Trek

Based on
Lorca's smile at the end of the episode

looks like the RLM prediction is correct (and Trek is redeemed as a utopian universe!)
 
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Raoul said:
:lol: Haven't watched any of the Jan episodes but I'll take your word for it.
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Series should be called Star Trek-ish: Discovery.

Star Trek was always about looking into the future. Ever since Voyager ended we've been navel gazing into the past. Good grief guys figure it out.
 
Twisted_Woody said:
Series should be called Star Trek-ish: Discovery.

Star Trek was always about looking into the future. Ever since Voyager ended we've been navel gazing into the past. Good grief guys figure it out.
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Yeah they shouldn't have gone backwards in the timeline and created klingons that look more futuristic than any before.

My main problem with the show is the characters, casting, and storyline - followed closely by the heavy CGI influenced production design (the show is entirely shot in Toronto).

Also problematic is the hypesensitive/PC nature of the gay characters. I don't have any issue with gay narratives in Star Trek but FFS at least try to be a bit less clumsy an PC about it so it doesn't completely kill the artistic merit of the broader plot.

The producers apparently even consulted with GLAAD to make sure gay viewers wouldn't be offended by the recent storyline.

https://trekmovie.com/2018/01/11/st...cers-consulted-with-glaad-over-culbers-story/
 
I'm quite enjoying it as it is a modern darker version of the original show in many ways. Better than any of the Star Trek TV since the original IMO (not that I've seen much of some of it) but Next Gen left me cold. Light entertainment that requires a suspension of disbelief but it is Star Trek FFS.
 
I'm enjoying this too Wibble.

That Lorca theory also makes a lot of sense. Is it the assumption he's come from the universe they're currently in? If thats the case then what happened? How did he travel across universes and wheres the missing Lorca from the good universe and the Michel from the bad one?
 
RedSky said:
I'm enjoying this too Wibble.

That Lorca theory also makes a lot of sense. Is it the assumption he's come from the universe they're currently in? If thats the case then what happened? How did he travel across universes and wheres the missing Lorca from the good universe and the Michel from the bad one?
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There was an earlier plot point that Lorca (in the original universe) sacrificed his crew and emerged a changed man. So the "crossover" could have happened then. It would explain why he was brutal, unlike most Starfleet captains we have seen on previous shows. Evil universe Michael is a good question, we haven't seen her. But it is known that she was a terror, who was hunting Lorca. So I'm imagining something to do with that.

At least I hope this is true. I wouldn't like a canon Trek show where the main captain is a warmongering asshole with no redeeming qualities (does he even want to explore the galaxy and seek out new life etc etc)
 
berbatrick said:
There was an earlier plot point that Lorca (in the original universe) sacrificed his crew and emerged a changed man. So the "crossover" could have happened then. It would explain why he was brutal, unlike most Starfleet captains we have seen on previous shows. Evil universe Michael is a good question, we haven't seen her. But it is known that she was a terror, who was hunting Lorca. So I'm imagining something to do with that.

At least I hope this is true. I wouldn't like a canon Trek show where the main captain is a warmongering asshole with no redeeming qualities (does he even want to explore the galaxy and seek out new life etc etc)
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How many previous captains fit the warmongering asshole mold ?
 
Raoul said:
How many previous captains fit the warmongering asshole mold ?
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In that 1 episode with Sisko and Eddington, Siskotreads the line (and goes the other side IMO). There were random other captains, like the guy in the TNG episode with the Federation cloaking device, who were usually Starfleet but the villain of the episode where they appeared. A couple of insane old captains were TOS villains too.


OneUnited24 said:
I’ve watched it back and it doesn’t look like he’s smiling
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Don't spoil my dreams :(
 
Really don't like the show at all. Lorca is the only character I like and care for, the rest just seems hollow. I'm re-watching DS9 at the same time and it's like day and night. Far superior cast and story-telling.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
Really don't like the show at all. Lorca is the only character I like and care for, the rest just seems hollow. I'm re-watching DS9 at the same time and it's like day and night. Far superior cast and story-telling.
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DS9 was pretty terrible in Season 1. Took a while to really get going, basically it got great once they brought Klingons into the show and made Garek a higher tier character.
 
They cancelled Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis to bring trendy shite fest called Universe, now they are doing the same with this shite called Star Trek Discovery. Everything about this show is crap. Cannot wait till it gets cancelled and they bring back a proper Star Trek.
 
ghagua said:
They cancelled Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis to bring trendy shite fest called Universe, now they are doing the same with this shite called Star Trek Discovery. Everything about this show is crap. Cannot wait till it gets cancelled and they bring back a proper Star Trek.
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And just like stargate we'll have no more trek for another decade.
 
ghagua said:
They cancelled Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis to bring trendy shite fest called Universe, now they are doing the same with this shite called Star Trek Discovery. Everything about this show is crap. Cannot wait till it gets cancelled and they bring back a proper Star Trek.
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SG Universe was terrific! Although granted, it was a slow start and it could have done without the body swapping element.
 
parkthebuslads said:
SG Universe was terrific! Although granted, it was a slow start and it could have done without the body swapping element.
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I liked it a lot too. Science fiction element was more present in it than other series, and the worst episodes of it were most alike usual episodes from other series.

I did like Stargate: SG 1 and Atlantis too. But I prefer Universe.
 
So the thing about Lorca and the other universe was correct. Two out of two for theories posted so far.
 
ghagua said:
They cancelled Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis to bring trendy shite fest called Universe, now they are doing the same with this shite called Star Trek Discovery. Everything about this show is crap. Cannot wait till it gets cancelled and they bring back a proper Star Trek.
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Hey, I'm no trekkie or star warsie who might grow their body hair to go a convention so they look like a natural ewok but this was a brilliant twist.

What is exactly not star trek about it, putting aside the fact tjey went back in time. Maybe there's another brilliant
RedSky said:
Eh? Weird, one I watched was 37mins 53 seconds.
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I'll double check when the wife goes to bed as she hates the stuff. Are you discounting the intro music etc as I just look at Netflix as a whole (excl. the "recap")
 
The emperors ship makes no sense. How are they harvesting energy from a sun which according to canon they cant do even in voyager which is set 300-400 years in the future.

The ship looked like it belonged to the bsg or babylon 5 universe.
 
VidaRed said:
The emperors ship makes no sense. How are they harvesting energy from a sun which according to canon they cant do even in voyager which is set 300-400 years in the future.

The ship looked like it belonged to the bsg or babylon 5 universe.
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The discovery makes no sense either, due to the technology they have too.

I've not seen the latest episode yet, but I'd assume the tech on the emperor's ship can be explained away due to being from another dimension, no?
 
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It's basically a dyson sphere ship.

It's not exactly a stretch to think it's possible. The Federation isn't a military dictatorship. The entire economy of the Federation isn't subject to the whims of the military. The Terran whatever however is a military dictatorship, and every single dime can be squeezed into military based R&D.

The whole discovery spore drive thing, can be pretty easily explained as experimental technology that is going to end up being too dangerous, both to the crew, and the universe at large, and the whole thing will eventually be black boxed and classified. Which is why there is no mentioned of trans dimensional FTL travel in any of the more modern shows chronologically.

I'd honestly be kind of surprised if they keep the whole spore drive thing going beyond a season or two (if the show makes it). The only way I can see them keeping it going, is if they are stuck in the mirrorverse for the entire duration of the series, and the show ends when they get back. It's clearly detrimental to the crew, and the whole plot now seems to be that using the mycellial network is damaging to the fabric of reality.
 
I wonder if Discovery is going to be a backdoor reboot for the whole Trek universe? Spock is already heavily featured in the spin-off novel Desperate Hours.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
The discovery makes no sense either, due to the technology they have too.

I've not seen the latest episode yet, but I'd assume the tech on the emperor's ship can be explained away due to being from another dimension, no?
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Light is 'different' in the mirror universe. It's one of the first things mentioned by Burnham when she landed in the alternate reality. It's possible the differing quantum signatures makes the harvesting of quantums of energy more feasible.
 
Ian Reus said:
Is this actually worth a watch? I was put off by the premise from what I read.
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It's not as camp or hammy as previous Star Trek series.

Discovery is more in the vein of The Dark Knight or Game of Thrones, rather than Batman Returns or Xena Warrior Princess. It's very much an interpretation of heavy sci-fi, with serious themes, dark storylines and realistic reactions. Star Trek series of old were far more kitsch and light (but fun in their own way).

Let's put it this way. There are themes of incest and cannibalism in the current series. The original series had this:

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You'd never get one in the other. Take that whatever you see fit.

I personally love Discovery. I think it's the best show currently airing.
 
padzilla said:
I wonder if Discovery is going to be a backdoor reboot for the whole Trek universe? Spock is already heavily featured in the spin-off novel Desperate Hours.
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Let's hope it is part of a reboot that doesn't any more seasons so that we can return to proper Star Trek casts.
 
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