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Raoul said:
I don't think it is nearly enough to make us care. I've watched all nine episodes and they never went into any detail about her sexually (or otherwise) abusing him. The writing on this show is just one steaming pile of neverending dogshit.
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He said she sexual abused him, and they've constantly made references to him being tortured/surviving they Klingon prison... And the show has showed us what their torture is like. What more can they do?

They can hardly have random flashbacks in other episodes that don't focus on it, that would just be random
 
Annihilate Now! said:
He said she sexual abused him, and they've constantly made references to him being tortured/surviving they Klingon prison... And the show has showed us what their torture is like. What more can they do?

They can hardly have random flashbacks in other episodes that don't focus on it, that would just be random
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Its just a stupid narrative. No one cares about it since its not interesting and was suddenly imposed on the audience when it has feck all to do with the rest of the story. Its like you can see the machinery turning in the writer's mind - "I think I'm going to add some drama by having this character have PTSD". Very poor writing amidst a backdrop of bad casting, poorly constructed characters, and socially awkward plotlines.
 
I quite liked that episode.

The theory going around is that they've landed in the parallel universe and this wasn't an accident as the captain fed in new co-ordinates just before the jump. Building on this its being claimed the captain is originally from the parallel universe aswell.
 
Raoul said:
Its just a stupid narrative. No one cares about it since its not interesting and was suddenly imposed on the audience when it has feck all to do with the rest of the story. Its like you can see the machinery turning in the writer's mind - "I think I'm going to add some drama by having this character have PTSD". Very poor writing amidst a backdrop of bad casting, poorly constructed characters, and socially awkward plotlines.
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I mean it’s clearly going to play a big part in the show moving forward and they were just laying the ground work for it.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I mean it’s clearly going to play a big part in the show moving forward and they were just laying the ground work for it.
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Not a particularly imaginative story line. Why should the audience care about that character in the first place just because he's the possible love interest of yet another unbelievable character ("Michael Burnham"). Its all crap.
 
Raoul said:
Not a particularly imaginative story line. Why should the audience care about that character in the first place just because he's the possible love interest of yet another unbelievable character ("Michael Burnham"). Its all crap.
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To be honest Raoul every post of yours since the first episode has seemed a bit OTT negative that I’m actually surprised you’re still watching it. Of course everyone has different tastes but it’s clearly a storyline that is going to unfold in future eps. It also from the looks of it that he is going to have a big storyline beyond “the love intrest” personally I dislike the character but I’m hoping he burns out soon enough.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
To be honest Raoul every post of yours since the first episode has seemed a bit OTT negative that I’m actually surprised you’re still watching it. Of course everyone has different tastes but it’s clearly a storyline that is going to unfold in future eps. It also from the looks of it that he is going to have a big storyline beyond “the love intrest” personally I dislike the character but I’m hoping he burns out soon enough.
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The negativity is well warranted. I keep watching in the hope that it will eventually improve but every episode has been one step forward and two steps back. I'm watching Enterprise from beginning to end (currently in season 3) at the same time as the Discovery episodes are coming out and the difference in quality is enormous. Just look at how crap the captain is on Discovery. Zero character arc and basically just there so they can focus on the Michael Burnham character, who herself is completely unbelievable.
 
They made reference to her abusing him in the episode we first meet his character. He confessed as much to the captain. I thought it was common knowledge to the viewer?

Enjoyed that episode. The ending was intriguing, what was the debris meant to be?
 
RedSky said:
They made reference to her abusing him in the episode we first meet his character. He confessed as much to the captain. I thought it was common knowledge to the viewer?

Enjoyed that episode. The ending was intriguing, what was the debris meant to be?
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Klingon ships.
 
RedSky said:
Intriguing. There was a lot of them there. I guess this means if it is a parallel universe the dead captain might not be dead in this universe.
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DAMNIT! I've yet to see the last two eps.
 
i actually got quite into it. Never been a Star Trek person, but this isn't bad.
 
RedSky said:
Why are you here man! WHY ARE YOU HERE! Besides dead captain i'm referring too is the one that died in the pilot brah.
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Because I like to read the moaning from the Trek snobs.

Oh, I hope she remains dead since she was wooden as feck.
 
This last episode I think I hate than pineapple on pizza.

None of the characters' actions make any sense. Why did that guy (don't know name) insist on taking Burnham? Why did the captain agree? Why didn't the doc do his duty and his devotion to his bf instead of letting the captain do whatever with him? Why does the captain care about science suddenly?

There is no connection to the previous episode which was about communicating with a weird new species. There was no attempt to bring them and their unique peacefulness into play at all. Such unimaginative writing.

<SPD in 1930s voice> The Trek writers annoy me so much I'm going to cheer for the fascist Klingons.

The PTSD part was decent I guess.
 
Raoul said:
The negativity is well warranted. I keep watching in the hope that it will eventually improve but every episode has been one step forward and two steps back. I'm watching Enterprise from beginning to end (currently in season 3) at the same time as the Discovery episodes are coming out and the difference in quality is enormous. Just look at how crap the captain is on Discovery. Zero character arc and basically just there so they can focus on the Michael Burnham character, who herself is completely unbelievable.
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It's a 6 out of 10 tv show that would have bombed on old school tv. Netflix has a lot of shows like that.

I don't think people would have routinely tuned in for it 20 years ago. But now the quality simply doesn't need to be as high for people to consume masses of content.

It's an ok show. The highlights are great. The premises are often good. The execution is slapdash and character development is up and down.
 
This guy hits the nail on the head on everything that is wrong with Discovery. Going to have a look at Orville next...

 
berbatrick said:
This last episode I think I hate than pineapple on pizza.

None of the characters' actions make any sense. Why did that guy (don't know name) insist on taking Burnham? Why did the captain agree? Why didn't the doc do his duty and his devotion to his bf instead of letting the captain do whatever with him? Why does the captain care about science suddenly?

There is no connection to the previous episode which was about communicating with a weird new species. There was no attempt to bring them and their unique peacefulness into play at all. Such unimaginative writing.

<SPD in 1930s voice> The Trek writers annoy me so much I'm going to cheer for the fascist Klingons.

The PTSD part was decent I guess.
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1. Burnham had been onboard the ship before and therefore knew at least some of its layout (to a degree, see pilot).
2. Captain agreed because it made sense. She was most qualified and therefore had the best chance for the mission to succeed.
3. The Doctor went with the greater good, to save a species and an attempt to hit a decisive blow to the Klingons, or to succumb to love. He followed rank and his starfleet training.
4. We aren't sure if the Captain does or doesn't care about Science as we're not 100% sure what his motives are. The first few episodes he bangs the war drum, but we've seen a darker side to his character since the Admiral sacrifice episode and some of his actions this episode seem weird. I can't remember if it was the Captain or the Chief Engineer who suggested the last jump. I think it was the Chief Engineer, which begs the question, did he know that by doing one last jump he'd activate the 'jump'.
5. Agreed about the lack of connection to previous episode, given it was a 2 parter it seemed a bit odd that the only connection we had from that episode to this one was "they're peaceful and can't protect themselves".
 
I actually like "The Orville" more than this.

I like Discovery as well, but Orville is more entertaining, should also be more satisfactory for the trekkies.
 


Agreed with Rich at the end about the last episode - that response was NOT the Federation response. And agreed with Mike- the problem isn't timeline continuity but the war plotline being not Trek/Federation.
 
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So its pretty much confirmed that he's a klingon, it was surprising they killed of the doctor unless he's not dead ?

Wasn't the defiant in hoshi's command ? if it is the same ship that was shown in enterprise which i think it is.
 
VidaRed said:
So its pretty much confirmed that he's a klingon, it was surprising they killed of the doctor unless he's not dead ?

Wasn't the defiant in hoshi's command ? if it is the same ship that was shown in enterprise which i think it is.
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Is there a new episode? Dammit. No time to watch, wasted it watching this review!
 
Binged this the other day, Tyler is clearly Voq having been altered in appearance but one thing I don't understand is that this show pre dates the original series, yet they're using experimental technology never alluded to in any Star Trek tv show or film. It seems to me that if you're going to set your show in the past, it needs to have technology that we're familiar with at the time. Not introduce technology that we're supposed to believe ends a war, but is never used again after that in any war that the Federation take part in. Also is it confirmed which Spock they refer to in the show, the original series universe or Chris Pine's films universe?
 
George Owen said:
how did you guys got to that conclusion?

when and where was the last time we saw that first white klongon?
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The show hints at it the entire way through. That Klingon woman comes back to him early on and tells him she's has a way to make sure they can hurt the federation but it's going to require him to give up everything. He then vanishes and is never seen again. Then Tyler arrives pretty much immediately from nowhere, he even makes a comment at one point 'I miss having thicker skin' which is probably the writers making a joke about him having been Klingon, since he apparently doesn't remember anything. Then the Klingon woman (L'Rell) is shocked to see him on the Klingon ship at the end, he starts getting memories of her slicing him up. They have an entire scene with the doctor where he tells him that all of his bone structure has been completely changed, yet he still looks like a normal human. If I rearranged all of your bone structure then you wouldn't look human anymore. Hinting at him being changed from Klingon to human. She triggers him with a chant and he goes into his daze and starts repeating Klingon back to her in Voq's voice. She then says 'you have another name, say it' so it's painfully obvious at this point that he isn't Tyler, he's somebody else. The doctor then has a scene with him where he explains how it's possible he has another personality (Tyler's) on top of his own (Voq's) and then we get flashbacks of them both having sex.

At this point, any other reveal that he's really just some random Klingon or some other random human we haven't met yet would be completely pointless and the audience wouldn't have any connection to them enough to care. Plus Voq disappears and Tyler appears immediately after she tells him that she has a way they can get back at the federation but it requires him to give up everything. They go out of their way to spell it out so it won't come as a surprise, they could a.) have hidden it better and b.) built Voq up more because right now he's just a little bitch that had his ship taken away by someone who gave his crew food. Why should we care about him. Plus this plot has been done already in the original series on the episode The Trouble with Tribbles.
 
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Zarlak said:
The show hints at it the entire way through. That Klingon woman comes back to him early on and tells him she's has a way to make sure they can hurt the federation but it's going to require him to give up everything. He then vanishes and is never seen again. Then Tyler arrives pretty much immediately from nowhere, he even makes a comment at one point 'I miss having thicker skin' which is probably the writers making a joke about him having been Klingon, since he apparently doesn't remember anything. Then the Klingon woman (L'Rell) is shocked to see him on the Klingon ship at the end, he starts getting memories of her slicing him up. They have an entire scene with the doctor where he tells him that all of his bone structure has been completely changed, yet he still looks like a normal human. If I rearranged all of your bone structure then you wouldn't look human anymore. Hinting at him being changed from Klingon to human. She triggers him with a chant and he goes into his daze and starts repeating Klingon back to her in Voq's voice. She then says 'you have another name, say it' so it's painfully obvious at this point that he isn't Tyler, he's somebody else. The doctor then has a scene with him where he explains how it's possible he has another personality (Tyler's) on top of his own (Voq's) and then we get flashbacks of them both having sex.

At this point, any other reveal that he's really just some random Klingon or some other random human we haven't met yet would be completely pointless and the audience wouldn't have any connection to them enough to care. Plus Voq disappears and Tyler appears immediately after she tells him that she has a way they can get back at the federation but it requires him to give up everything. They go out of their way to spell it out so it won't come as a surprise, they could a.) have hidden it better and b.) built Voq up more because right now he's just a little bitch that had his ship taken away by someone who gave his crew food. Why should we care about him. Plus this plot has been done already in the original series on the episode The Trouble with Tribbles.
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cheers. yep, I'm sold that's what's going on after the last episode.

Solid last episode btw.
 
Still watching this to punish myself for thinking this might turn out to be decent.
 
Raoul said:
Its just a stupid narrative. No one cares about it since its not interesting and was suddenly imposed on the audience when it has feck all to do with the rest of the story. Its like you can see the machinery turning in the writer's mind - "I think I'm going to add some drama by having this character have PTSD". Very poor writing amidst a backdrop of bad casting, poorly constructed characters, and socially awkward plotlines.
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It is going to end up having a lot to do with the story. It's the start of his awakening and remembering that he's actually Voq. It's not just random PTSD, though I agree noone really cares because Voq isn't anyone worth caring about, he's just been billed as a little bitch.
 
I started watching Enterprise as people on here said it was much better than Discovery but does it get better? Because it was a struggle to get through the first episode and I’m not even sure if I want to watch the rest, is it really worth grinding out?

I can see tho why people who loved Generation and Enterprise wouldn’t like Discovery as they look very different and both Enterprise and generation use the same shocking sound effect when some one gets punched, the Adam West Batman sound effect. It’s atrocious..

Discovery has a much darker tone to it and bridges on more adult themes and in terms of character stories and development seems a lot more realistic
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I started watching Enterprise as people on here said it was much better than Discovery but does it get better? Because it was a struggle to get through the first episode and I’m not even sure if I want to watch the rest, is it really worth grinding out?

I can see tho why people who loved Generation and Enterprise wouldn’t like Discovery as they look very different and both Enterprise and generation use the same shocking sound effect when some one gets punched, the Adam West Batman sound effect. It’s atrocious..

Discovery has a much darker tone to it and bridges on more adult themes and in terms of character stories and development seems a lot more realistic
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If you like darker themes, watch DS9. Particularly using this guide
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Especially S3 onwards.


However, I would say that if you're looking for gritty dark stuff, Trek isn't sci-fi thing to start with. Its hallmark (TNG especially) is the optimistic future and """perfect""" humanity. Also a disclaimer: I've not seen Enterprise much.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I started watching Enterprise as people on here said it was much better than Discovery but does it get better? Because it was a struggle to get through the first episode and I’m not even sure if I want to watch the rest, is it really worth grinding out?
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Enterprise had very good seasons 3 and 4.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I started watching Enterprise as people on here said it was much better than Discovery but does it get better? Because it was a struggle to get through the first episode and I’m not even sure if I want to watch the rest, is it really worth grinding out?

I can see tho why people who loved Generation and Enterprise wouldn’t like Discovery as they look very different and both Enterprise and generation use the same shocking sound effect when some one gets punched, the Adam West Batman sound effect. It’s atrocious..

Discovery has a much darker tone to it and bridges on more adult themes and in terms of character stories and development seems a lot more realistic
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DS9 and enterprise is where its at (ignore the first two seasons of both of them).

Babylon 5 is more realistic than the idealistic scifi that trek is so you can try that out aswell although the cji looks dated now.
 
They've improved the appearance of all the alien races except the klingons. I wasn't surprised that captain georgiou (hoshi's grand daughter?) is the emperor.

How did discovery know when to beam out tyler/voq ?
 
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