Disagree. Yesterday was boring like hell. Reminded me of our possession play against poorer teams during Ole’s period. Our transition play was world class and now we almost don’t care when we have the opportunity.
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran are here to talk about a frustrating 2 points dropped at Crystal Palace. They then discuss the regeneration of Old Trafford. Finally, Nik is joined by special guest Michael Statham from the Football Oranje podcast - who gives us a more in depth look at our EL opposition FC Twente, and then runs through the (many) Dutch connections currently at United.
He got slaughtered on here and in the general media you'll struggle to find another manager criticised so heavily.
He got plenty of stick.
As you say - utter rubbish. We were good/decent for 30 minutes against Atletico. Over 180 minutes of football.
This, 100%.
I was one of the few who were against making Ole permanent boss.
I've said it before. We should've backed Jose Mourinho all the way.
eg. Summer '18 and got shot of Pogba & Martial etc
Woodward & the Glazers were having none of it though
I've said it before. We should've backed Jose Mourinho all the way.
eg. Summer '18 and got shot of Pogba & Martial etc
Woodward & the Glazers were having none of it though
You're Nostradamus, then.
I'm not saying they're good enough right now, but for sure there were times I, and many/most others, believed in (some of) these players. If you were one of the people who genuinely never believed in any of them, I don't know what to say. Either you're the most depressing fan on earth, or you're a top football scout making a lot of dough for a CL club. Or you're just Captain Hindsight.
Also; Standards. I'm sure you have the highest of standards. The rest of us are clueless and have low standards.
What a waste of time he was.
The ideal scenario in hindsight would have been to not make him permanent after the PSG tie, because it’s a cup game at the end of the day and anything can happen in it like what did happen. We somehow beat PSG just like Boro somehow beat us in the FA Cup this season.
We would have ran out of steam like we did anyway, but there would be no blame attached to Solskjaer because he was just a caretaker and he couldn’t have realistically sustained it anyway.
We would have ran out of steam like we did anyway, but there would be no blame attached to Solskjaer because he was just a caretaker and he couldn’t have realistically sustained it anyway.
I supported Ole but he has definitely left an uncoachable team of prima donnas behind.
Im sorry what? Fact is, they were key players for us in 19/20 and 20/21. Whether or not they are good enough to win a PL title is another discussion, but they were still very much key players
Also, last i checked i dont make any descisions at the club. What i think about them is utterly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things
Sancho?
My bad looked it up and it was £20m.
Funny how you can just make up numbers on the fly to back up an argument.
Sancho's resale value alone would be 100m. Our best and most exciting player for weeks now.
Good player but point is we overpayed for him, as with all the other players in the list. No one would pay £50m for him if we put him in the window this summer, absolutely no one. You can value him at 200m if you want but no one's going to pay that. We paid way over the odds for pretty much every player under Ole except for Bruno and Varane and then we wonder why we suck. For the 300m spent on that list if we had a better scouting team we could've signed 8 as good if not better 40m players the way Liverpool do.
You genuinely believe we won't get £50m for Sancho if we put him up for sale in the summer? Give your head a wobble, man.
I don't want to derail the thread, I'll ask you who would actually pay that and leave it at that. The answer: not a single club.
No one else wanted him at £70m and he's had a worse season than when he was at Dortmund. City - no, Liverpool - no, Chelsea - no, Bayern - no, Barca - no, Real - no.
Not really sure of the point of the thread as we need to move on.
that said his playing legacy is unchanged.
His managerial legacy is non existent. 0 trophies and the team left behind is in my opinion in need of the biggest rebuild of any of our teams post Ferguson. His managerial stay was a complete failure in truth.
that said his playing legacy is unchanged.
His managerial legacy is non existent. 0 trophies and the team left behind is in my opinion in need of the biggest rebuild of any of our teams post Ferguson. His managerial stay was a complete failure in truth.
Getting Sancho is one of the things it's impossible to criticize Ole for. Impossible.
And I do believe most of those clubs you mention would pay 70m for Sancho, never mind 50m. How do you know no one else wanted him? Can it be he simply wanted to play for Man United?
I'm excited for the upcoming transfer window. Who can Rangnick attract? Can his project convince any big guns to play for us? Will he fix the midfield? Will our rebuild finally end this summer?
I hope you can chime in with your evaluation of every signing before they play for us. You seem to be very knowledgable with the highest of standards, so I'll be very interested in your opinion. No hindsight, but before they make their debut.
Rangnick came in and exposed just how rotten, from a mental and application perspective, Ole had allowed things to deteriorate to. However Ole isn't to blame for the way the season has ended, that falls on Murtough and Fletcher who hired an architect to repair a roof leak albeit a major one. Rangnick's terms of reference should have been more to do with long term team building and an interim hired for short term results.
Leadership, take the Greenwood shit for example, this would have never blown up under Fergie. Yes some of his players were shit bags like Giggs but there is no way he would have let the Greenwood situation escalate to a point where we lose him in the middle of the season - he would either be gone already or he would have nipped it the bud early on. Instead we had Ole and Woodward pampering and feeding into over inflated ego.
Ironically we brought in the man we needed in 2018 as DOF to be manager and now the failure of this season will limit the amount of influence he will have going forward. Whoever thought that bringing Rangnick, a renowned longterm builder, for a short term fix was a good idea deserves to be sacked. The idea to have Rangnick in the building isn't bad but having him in the dugout for six months was never going to work.
Genuinely the worst manager in the history of the football club if you factor in money spent, time wasted, lack of success, unbecoming/cowardly football, lowering of the standards/expectations and shite legacy left behind.
A win against Watford and the cult might have lasted the season, doing even more long term damage.
A win against Watford and the cult might have lasted the season, doing even more long term damage.
Are you serious? The state of this.
No one - and I mean literally no one - could've foreseen Greenwood doing this. Sir Alex accepted Giggs as being a shitbag, why wouldn't he accept the same with Mason? Ole and Woodward pampering him turned him into a sexual predator?! G T F O. That is all on Greenwood. 100%.
"No way he would have let the Greenwood situation escalate to a point where we lose him in the middle of the season".
Do you honestly believe Ole knew the lad is a predator? Do you think Sir Alex would've just "nipped it in the bud"? How?
"Listen, Mason. You have to stop raping and punching your girlfriend right now, we can't afford to lose you in the middle of a season."
Come on. Do you think Ole or anyone at the club had any idea this was happening? This isnt a case of a player repetedly going on public benders and not getting disciplined, this happened in private and considering the reaction from his team mates and the club its pretty clear this was unknown to them
What an awful take. Clubs dont just buy players "because". They buy because of needs and this is especially true for marqueè signings like Sancho was. City didnt have a need, Liverpool didnt have a need, Bayern definitely dont have a need, Barca werent buyers and Real was after Mbappe. And lets not forget Chelsea just came off a colossal spending spree.
We had a a free reign at Sancho because we were the only realistic buyers.
I agree with the idea that Mou should have been backed. He wanted everything his own way but people who knew far less about football than him overruled him and undermined him. He would have cleared out these lightweights and would have won a lot more, surely. Having said that, some of the football we played under Ole was by far the most enjoyable since SAF.I was one of the few who were against making Ole permanent boss.
I've said it before. We should've backed Jose Mourinho all the way.
eg. Summer '18 and got shot of Pogba & Martial etc
Woodward & the Glazers were having none of it though
Think he might have set us further behind than any other manager in recent memory.
A win? I honestly believe if lost only 2-1 that day Ole would have lasted, that's how low the standard was for him
The whole league cursed Ranieri that day for that scoreline
When it comes to Manchester United and what we expect from them then yes I do, and you should too.
I guess lets just support the manager no matter how bad he is or destructive to the team he gets, because thats what proper fans do eh?
It's a wierd perspective fella. Ralf isnt a top level coach. Barely even qualifies as a coach. Ole didn't have any say in his hiring. Mentioning ole as the person responsible for his hiring is an agenda driven gaping hole in logic. Made me laugh though so all good
More like exacerbated them. It's part of a managers job (especially an interim) to create harmony in a squad, engender confidence and motivate his players, Rangnick sadly seems to have failed on all three counts with most of them.
There's a difference between high and low standards - and entitlement. And you seem to be more entitled than having any sort of "standard".
And if you read my posts, you should know your last part is not me at all. As I said, getting rid of Ole was 100% the right decision.
He never mentioned Ole having his say in hiring Ralf. If it wasn’t for Ole’s full meltdown this season and him being found out big time, we wouldn’t be so desperate in the market for an interim manager. That’s a fact
Ole isn't responsible for hiring Ralf. It is ridiculous to say so
That's because of how spoilt the whole lot of them are, the only real way to solve it is to get rid of most of them and let them realise that they're not bigger than the club.
„Ole’s failures led us to appointing Ralf” is a correct statement though
Sorry, should have been clearer but I was talking about the reaction after the appointment of Rangnick, so I’m talking about his press conferences. People were licking their lips because finally someone competent was at the helm.
That's how an average manager who is poor at man management would handle it yes.
But newsflash mate, circa 2022 all top footballers are rich and spoiled. Good managers can bring a squad together and get them motivated, playing well and getting results. We can't replace the whole squad or even a significant amount of it overnight so we have to hire a top manager capable of managing these players and this team.
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I don't think this is completely fair, because it's not Ole's fault that Rangnick is more of a classroom teacher than a top level football manager. That's why the players don't buy into his methods, which are probably from a different era. I mean, there's a reason why Spurs, Everton, Arsenal, Milan all passed up on him, even though they could all benefit from his experience in building clubs and making a profit in the transfer market.
Yes that different quote is true as it's an extremely broad statement.
"His legacy is the lowering of standards. He lowered expectations in the fans & lowered them so much at board level we hired a man that hadn’t managed for years."
The above is ridiculous. It is feeling like a fool after Ralfs terrible performance as coach and working out ways to blame ole 5 months after he is gone. It is blaming ralfs appointment on oles influence at the club weeks after he had left. It is conspiratorial.
You can put other quotes in front of me if you like, I can tell you one by one of I agree or disagree with them, if you like
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So you don't want Manchester United to have a core of British players?
We could have SAF back and we'd still be shit with who we have currently in charge, I know people have a misconception of what a manger does based on how SAF operated but how are people blaming Ole for transfers and contract renewals when clubs should have a structure where those responsabilities are take care off by others while the manager focuses on managing? He was the wrong appointment from the moment he turned into the permanent manager, but when different managers change every year and the results and performances stay the same it tells you something about who's at fault.
Why does it matter where they're from though? If they're talented and have the right mentality thats all that matters. What kind of passport they have shouldn't even be brought into the equation.
And tbh its most of the British players in this current setup are the ones dragging the club down i.e Maguire, Rashford etc.
It’s not a perspective lad because I didn’t say OgS had a hand in picking the manager did I? What happened was you read a critique of OgS & got her up so as you’re hard of reading let’s do this again. . . OgS’s failure led to him being sacked, that in turn led the club to need to search for a manager mid-season, which in turn led to RR. If OgS does even the bare minimum his apologists like yourself would have kept him in the job. ‘Ole didn't have any say in his hiring.’ no sh*t Sherlock.
The fact you’re using the word agenda in the same way that Sadler lad does in a Maguire thread is comical. Get over yourself & our former manager. Calling out his failure isn’t agenda driven, it’s stating the obvious, wind your neck in.
RR is a poor coach & has been underwhelming. OgS was a poor coach & underwhelmed. I’ve defended neither. Bad decisions led to bad decisions.