So much money spent on such dross that will be so difficult to move on. That's potentially years wasted.
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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Woodward was too eager to hire Ole permanently when it was obvious that he was quite clueless at the end of his first season losing to Huddersfield. Then overpaying for English players based on a ridiculous idea of a British core. Salah, Mane, de Bruyne were scouted and developed.
But we kept being told to be patient. That Rome wasn’t built in a day. 3 years later, here we are.
Don't forget the Mata and Jones contracts as we as signing Telles. He's left this squad in a fecking crap state
Ole was the equiv of first violin but the conductor was Woodward, he had no idea over his whole tenure as CEO, mind boggles that a merchant banker was left basically in charge of everything from player recruitment, manager hires, stadium updates etc.
Add the Glazers indifference to anything but dividends, and watch as they sell off their non voting shares and buy more cigars and Tampa Bay apparel and it’s easy to understand how far Man Utd has fallen.
Here in Oz, the kids that wear soccer shirts , dont seem all that enamoured with Man Utd , as Barcelona and Liverpool are far more visible. The slippery slide needs to be stopped, not sure the personnel is in place to do it.
Add the Glazers indifference to anything but dividends, and watch as they sell off their non voting shares and buy more cigars and Tampa Bay apparel and it’s easy to understand how far Man Utd has fallen.
Here in Oz, the kids that wear soccer shirts , dont seem all that enamoured with Man Utd , as Barcelona and Liverpool are far more visible. The slippery slide needs to be stopped, not sure the personnel is in place to do it.
I was always sceptical about Solskjaer’s managerial abilities but hoped he’d have at least left a decent squad behind for the next guy to build off on.
But wow, I honestly think this is worse than what Jose left behind.
But wow, I honestly think this is worse than what Jose left behind.
I wonder that too. But the idiots in charge had already agreed on a new contract with him before the Villareal game. To them, he had already achieved their only football objective: top four.
You're not wrong. I still stand by my opinion that Ole is the worst manager we've had after Fergie. Moyes was diabolical, but at least he didn't stay long enough to cause further damage.
Look few posts up, get yourself reminded of how our match going fans clapped at him following the most embarrassing of losses, take a look back at the period when plenty of our fans claimed it’s more important to back the incompetent former legend than to give ourselves a chance to be run like a professional club.
Oh, or just look at where we are now. After all these “he was shit but at least left us in a better spot”
How long in the past should I go?
Was that PSG game the worst thing to happen to us? I mean the rot runs deep but I feel at least this cycle of malaise started then.
Ole was the PR/Yes man to hide the incompetency at the club and sell it to the fans, I bet 99% of the decisions had nothing to do with him.
Yeah half the eejits in here moaning every day were convinced all we needed to do was sack Solskjaer and get a 'proper' manager in and we'd be flying. That narrative changed quickly didn't it.
Oh don’t get yourself digging, if you don’t remember that - even better for you. Wouldn’t take you long to unearth a few gems though
You're talking through your fecking ass. Standards didn't slip because of the manager, it's because of the clowns in the background who run the club who haven't signed a decent player in a decade.
You’d have to be very naive to think that even the most proper manager would be able to carry out an overnight change of mentality - especially after the team was not motivated at all for a long time.
I could understand that thought process, if the "proper" managers hadn't taken one look at the circus according to Glazer and run a country mile.
Well yeah most of the balloons that said it most likely are.
Can't say I blame them to be honest.
The same people getting onto RR [who has been awful] for now being knocked out of the UCL are the same ones falling over themselves to excuse OgS’s consistent failures in the UCL & more so the UEL semis/finals.
His legacy is the lowering of standards. He lowered expectations in the fans & lowered them so much at board level we hired a man that hadn’t managed for years. His legacy should be something we learn from & don’t do again.
His legacy is the lowering of standards. He lowered expectations in the fans & lowered them so much at board level we hired a man that hadn’t managed for years. His legacy should be something we learn from & don’t do again.
It’s so funny that people are still taking any opportunity to give Ole another sneaky kick in the balls.
I wonder how long it will be before we can dream of 2nd in the league, and a Europa final.
I wonder how long it will be before we can dream of 2nd in the league, and a Europa final.
2nd in league while being nowhere near 1st and a Europa Final is nothing.
We deserve exactly what we’re getting with mindsets like these.
Bring him back all is forgivern.
We’ve got exactly what we’re getting.
His legacy is us stuck with garbage
It’s better than 5th in the league and nowhere near the final. Isn’t it?
Better get back to dreaming of 2nd place & losing in finals then mate.
Or people could just admit both OgS & RR have been poor managers.
This really needs to be let go.
The way things are carrying on it would not be a shock if in 25 years when we dust off the trophy cabinet for the long awaited arrival of a PL trophy that people are still crediting Ole for "laying a foundation." Maguire, AWB, Bruno will be collecting their pensions but it won't matter.
And conversely, the bitter and twisted lot will still be claiming that if it wasn't for Ole we'd have secured it a decade earlier.
Really depressing it cannot just be accepted for what it is. Legend of the club, didn't work - move on.
The way things are carrying on it would not be a shock if in 25 years when we dust off the trophy cabinet for the long awaited arrival of a PL trophy that people are still crediting Ole for "laying a foundation." Maguire, AWB, Bruno will be collecting their pensions but it won't matter.
And conversely, the bitter and twisted lot will still be claiming that if it wasn't for Ole we'd have secured it a decade earlier.
Really depressing it cannot just be accepted for what it is. Legend of the club, didn't work - move on.
Did he get to CL spot and a final in his first half season when he took over from Jose? He also missed the CL and never made a final in that half season.
We also had that with the previous manager but he got second and actually won the Europa League in different seasons ...and deservedly got sacked.
All of the managers we've had post Fergie have left the club in very unhappy circumstances and share a good portion of the blame. This squad we have now is in a horrible state. It's not moaning to say so, it's not cynical, it's just a fact. The club is, and has been, in a rotten place for sometime and I think even our better league positions and our stellar achievement of second place were false in proportion to our actual quality, and this goes back to when we finished 2nd with Jose 4 or 5 years ago.
I miss the man, honestly. We’re as bad right now as we were when Ole got the sack. But now we’re anemic and plain boring to watch as well.
Wasn’t the narrative that “with this squad any half decent manager would make us contenders”? What happened?
The club is rotten to the core. Sack everyone. Burn it all to the ground. I don’t even care who takes the helm next, if it’s with the same people running things, it won’t make any difference anyhow.
Wasn’t the narrative that “with this squad any half decent manager would make us contenders”? What happened?
The club is rotten to the core. Sack everyone. Burn it all to the ground. I don’t even care who takes the helm next, if it’s with the same people running things, it won’t make any difference anyhow.
At least we still have Varane, Bruno and Sancho.
I know the first season was mixed. Strong start with lots of goals and then disintegration. Our two full seasons with Ole were okay in the context of the last ten years.
You may think RR cannot be expected to do better than he has been but I think he is below par; I don’t call for his head or even blame him that much because he isn’t really a coach any more, he’s just filling in. And there will be a change in the summer.
So it could be that next season and the year after will be much better. I’m just not very optimistic about that. And if you offer me 2nd in the league and Europa final I will fecking take it. For starters.
Getting stuffed by Watford and Leicester was better than being boring? Ole struggled against some bang average teams in the group stage, he'd have been embarrassed by Atletico.
We're not as bad. We were getting demolished under Ole consistently.
We were a complete laughing stock under Ole at the end.
We improved a teeny bit, but it's not enough.
There are people wanting him back. Maybe he can waste another 130m on our defense and keep ignoring that midfield.
Which is a great point. This whole RR is doing badly so OgS was good argument doesn’t wash. As you go on to say, all managers post 2013 have their fair share of blame in our demise & in 5 appointments we’ve not gotten it right. RR, wrong man. OgS, wrong man. Jose, wrong man. LvG, wrong man. Moyes, wrong man.
People loved the idea of OgS, even I was carried away for a time, but facts are we spent millions over years talking up mediocrity & underperformance. If we’re talking strictly OgS’s legacy then I fail to see a positive.
Somehow Ole statistically was decent in his overall tenure but he was clearly not at the level the club needed to ascend closing the gap on city. Didn't show enough of being a winner almost having a Poch category of philosophy when being determined to be successful.
If the Glazers had pulled the plug earlier, the season would have been far easier to salvage this making Ole's legacy somewhat more solidified. Now there's a cultural issue where the players are running the show more than the staff and are unconvinced to be motivated for even the bare minimum of a top four finish.
It's truly embarrassing stuff.
If the Glazers had pulled the plug earlier, the season would have been far easier to salvage this making Ole's legacy somewhat more solidified. Now there's a cultural issue where the players are running the show more than the staff and are unconvinced to be motivated for even the bare minimum of a top four finish.
It's truly embarrassing stuff.