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Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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Kinda sad state we're in when a relegation with Cardiff is considered a greater failure than going 3 years without a trophy at United.
Agreed, he should have saved the Glazers millions out of love
Shit on a stick! 7 million pounds to Ole.
Agreed, he should have saved the Glazers millions out of love
The Glazers are cnuts, but he did not get the money from them. He got it from the club and that's definitely a 10M that will impact future football investments one way or another. It is highly unlikely to really impact the Glazers.
Not that he is wrong to take it, he is fully entitled to whatever the contract says we owe him.
Most (sane) people continue to be unhappy about the results (obviously) but clearly see an improvement in so many areas. Ole was a disaster as a coach and no crucial goal in a CL final will change that
Well at least getting rid of him as a manager was worth well above 10 million
Ole's legacy? History can be kind to reputations and time will tell whether, with the benefit of hindsight, it is kind to Ole as well. However, as it stands, Ole will ultimately be defined by the things that cost him his job - failure. Humiliating losses at home and away including having our pants pulled down at Old Trafford, by our biggest rivals. Re-occurring instances of tactical cluelessness and the inability to consistently get the best out of resources made available to him, no matter how seemingly abundant, is what defined Ole.
I am not saying that Ole did not have talents, skills and endearing qualities. I accept he had all that and more. My point is that as a Manchester United manager he failed. Yes, under Ole we got to a Europa League final. Yes, last season we finished second in the Premier League. But let's be real, in the context of what Manchester United represents, second is failure. Any attempt to re-package failure as some measure of 'progress' (especially when it is not built upon) is plainly daft. Coming second, in the European football equivalent of the Championship, is nothing to reflect positively upon. Similarly, the 'achievement' of finishing second last season can be seen in its proper context, now that Liverpool are over their injury crisis and the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal appear to have gained ground.
Even the vaunted 'rebuild' which Ole was supposed to have laid the foundations for, what has it produced? It seems widely accepted that the new manager when they are appointed will also need time to 'rebuild' and will likely show a number of Ole's players the door.
Let's be honest, Ole was a 'hit and hope'. We were seduced by the sheer romance of a club hero and undoubtedly likeable man, leading the club back to glory. True Roy of the Rovers type stuff. For reasons of sentimentality we ignored the necessity for due diligence and even when the evidence suggested that Ole was not the right man for the job, we kept willing him on as if by itself our hope for his success could cover up for his ineptitude.
I do not judge Ole by his outstanding and record breaking start, as United manager, nor his capacity to produce amazing one off results against the best managers. Instead I judge Ole by the fact that when it came down to it, he was simply not good enough.
I am not saying that Ole did not have talents, skills and endearing qualities. I accept he had all that and more. My point is that as a Manchester United manager he failed. Yes, under Ole we got to a Europa League final. Yes, last season we finished second in the Premier League. But let's be real, in the context of what Manchester United represents, second is failure. Any attempt to re-package failure as some measure of 'progress' (especially when it is not built upon) is plainly daft. Coming second, in the European football equivalent of the Championship, is nothing to reflect positively upon. Similarly, the 'achievement' of finishing second last season can be seen in its proper context, now that Liverpool are over their injury crisis and the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal appear to have gained ground.
Even the vaunted 'rebuild' which Ole was supposed to have laid the foundations for, what has it produced? It seems widely accepted that the new manager when they are appointed will also need time to 'rebuild' and will likely show a number of Ole's players the door.
Let's be honest, Ole was a 'hit and hope'. We were seduced by the sheer romance of a club hero and undoubtedly likeable man, leading the club back to glory. True Roy of the Rovers type stuff. For reasons of sentimentality we ignored the necessity for due diligence and even when the evidence suggested that Ole was not the right man for the job, we kept willing him on as if by itself our hope for his success could cover up for his ineptitude.
I do not judge Ole by his outstanding and record breaking start, as United manager, nor his capacity to produce amazing one off results against the best managers. Instead I judge Ole by the fact that when it came down to it, he was simply not good enough.
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Would’ve paid 20.
Agree. Firstly, he should never have got the job, frankly even as caretaker we should have looked within and then accelerated appointment of a top manager (not anotehr Moyes or one on a downward path like LVG or Mou). Once he got the caretaker role, its on Ed to make him permanenet and then renew. Such bad decisiosn as to be incomprehensible. Trouble is that Ole was so far out of his depth but liked the self awareness to realise that. So more wasted cash on stupid signings, contract renewals etc. Again, not all down to Ole, but perhaps before putting pen to paper might have demanded mroe control over team and recruitment
Sadly the 'romance' of Ole also surrounded Ronaldo's return. Two terrible decisions. Fans we need to decide are we stuck in past or looking to future...
Sad but true. Much as I hate to say it but maybe Ole's true legacy is as a case study in what not to do.
The whole management of this club since Fergie retired (and it started before that) is a case study in how not to run a top sports club. Depite the rule breaking, City are a perfect case study in how to build a top football structure. Its really not that hard. It all comes down from the CEO and board to hire the best people and put a cleat structure in place. We had/ have the resources, we may just about be putting a structure in place but its still a mess.
Your point about the vision of the ownership is absolutely spot on. The orientation of City and also Chelsea is 100% geared towards being successful on the pitch and winning trophies (Newcastle will be the same). However, the Glasers are fundamentally concerned with making money. It may seem like distinction without difference, because but it is not. Look at United, we are the richest club in the Premier League and one of the richest in the world despite being comparatively unsuccessful in terms of winning trophies. Yet, savvy commercial initiatives such as shirt sales, regional expansion into emerging markets, turning United into a global brand and securing top four finishes have been enough to keep the cash rolling in.
However, investing £1bn in player recruitment is utterly meaningless if the money is not spent wisely and strategically. Likewise being the highest payers in the league has simply created a culture where a reward is not something that is earned, but rather something that you are entitled to. All of the above are problems created and further exacerbated by the owners and symptomatic of a club with a weak structure. Likelihood is that we will, for the foreseeable future, continue to be a commercial juggernaut, but will not win trophies in a sustainable way until we structure ourselves like a club that actually wants to win things.
I'm not really sure that without winning we can remain a commercial juggernaut though. These things go hand in hand. For the past 9 years we've been feeding from past successes, if we can't add to that, our commercial growth will decrease over the years. And no winning an FA cup or EL here and there will have minimal impact on our revenue from shirts and shit.
Agreed. That's why I said for the "foreseeable future". Look at Liverpool they largely survived off former glories, with some contemporary success for decades. I also mentioned that we will not win trophies in a "sustainable way" until we restructure. I am by no means ruling out the prospect of United winning trophies. But I just cannot see how that success will be sustainable.
Yes I even heard he was working for free when he was at United. His salary was 0. The 10 million are for charity
It’s absolutely mental that we entrusted a hugely expensive 3-year rebuilding project to a manager with no relevant qualifications. At least Liverpool sacked Kenny fairly soon. We doubled-down and now we have a squad where nearly all positions are open to debate.
130 mil for Maguire and AWB. That is something which sticks every fecking game.
He should be blacklisted from managing any top team for that mistake alone. Man cant be trusted with money. He spent it like a kid going to the candy store. Dont forget VDB, Diallo, Pellistri. Almost 200m with no value added to the squad
Top club? He should be banned managing clubs in general....
But but Ole did not make that signing it was club signings
. You see his fanboys spout that shite all the time."He is building team for next manager and will leave us at better place than other managers did".But but Ole did not make that signing it was club signings
"But he's not the one making the signings. Not the bad ones at least, they're club signings! The good ones are his"
The 130m we paid for Wan Bissaka and Maguire with no installments is big yikes. That's a hard one to recover from.
Legacy??
Apart CL losses in finals against Barca, United's worst defeat in history is a win against PSG. Who would know back then that that win will cost club this much.
Thank you for getting us used to not winning trophies and players like Maguire, awb, Ronaldo and co on big money we'll struggle to sell. And of course not developing us tactically at all in 3 years.
Seriously. So many were praising his signings at the time but it's clear they weren't meant for a big club and we screwed ourselves over on these deals.
For a supposed cultural reboot the squad and the culture he has left behind look absolutely rotten. 3 years completely wasted, there will be more to come as we try to unwind the mess we have now.
Think he left a worse squad than he took from Mourinho.
All his achievements will be overshadowed because he made us pay 50 fecking million for AWB and 80 fecking million for Slabhead.
His achievements?
I mean getting to Europa league final and 2nd in the league is some sort of achievement for a newbie
His biggest achievement is stagnating our players development and making them all lazy cnuts.
Should never ever have been hired full time after that PSG fluke.
Finishing 2nd in a season where our rivals were shite or ridden with injuries. Apparently that’s progress.His achievements?
The state of this uncoached, overrated, overpriced, unbothered squad is down to him, and it’ll take years to undo the damage he’s done. We should have sacked him after that Europa league final.
He has left a shite squad behind. Worse than Jose and LVG. Shite manager who got the gig as we are a bunch of sentimental morons.
damn you ole for making the team lose versus a team you regularly beat, damn youuuuuuuuuu
So much for coaching and actual tactics will fix all our problems. Good ol’ moving of the goalposts
His key men need to leave, Bruno Maguire Rashford Mctominay