A reminder that Solskjaer thought McTominay and Fred was a good starting pair of central midfielders for us. 
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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A reminder that Solskjaer thought McTominay and Fred was a good starting pair of central midfielders for us.
Ole's not picking them tonight is he
A dressing room severely damaged as a result of ineffectual leadership. Anyone that has coached any team sport, at any level, can tell you a fractured dressing room is a side effect of poor leadership.
He make our players become whinebaby and weak mentally. Because Ole man management style is to keep everyone happy and smiling regardless of result. Want to go to holiday to Dubai ? Off you go lad. Play like shit ? Good job lad start next game. Trophies ? Its for ego lad. He let players to do anything they want and now we reap what he sowed. Ended up with bunch of lazy mentally weak players who keep leaking stuff to media when they are unhappy. He is the worst out of all managers post SAF. Rashford shit workrate could be indirectly attributed to his coaching for example. Imagine him strolling around like that under Pep. Would be benched immediately. Under Ole he can keep starting matches because Ole is too cowardly to upset someone
I don't believe things are always what they seem, if Ole was all smiles in front of the cameras and interviews it doesn't mean he was the same during his time with the players.
If we had such a weak mentality how do you explain all the comebacks during Ole's tenure ? And it's not 1 or 2 it happened numerous times. A weak mentality doesn't come with the PL record of away games undefeated.
Also on Ole he decided to sell the players he did not need/want and changed them with what he believed we needed. Everyone agreed that he did the right things in getting rid of the toxic players/deadwood.
The worst manager under SAF got us 3rd and 2nd in 2 consecutive seasons. I'm not saying he didn't make mistakes as he surely did, which eventually got his sacked and for good reasons.
It doesn't make sense to compare Ole with Pep as they are leagues apart but nevertheless people should at least have the realism to observe things as they actually are.
You can argue that Ole was no worse that other failed managers purely on results (the exact assessment depends on the subjective weight you place on non-major trophies vs League positions), but in terms of legacy he might well end up being significantly worse than LvG or Jose (and their legacy is failure, no doubt).
Under him we spent a fortune and are still in need of a huge squad reshuffle, and gave lots of undeserved contract extentions. The atmosphere at the club is not only toxic but hard to fix. We did not have anything comparable under LvG in terms of atmosphere, and toxicity under Jose turned out to be easily fixable at least. The only youngster that he promoted is probably not playing for us again. 2nd and 3rd place are not much use if you don't do anything in CL and leave the club struggling to compete for CL places anyway. And in any case, major benefit of top-4 is CL qualification, which Jose also achieved twice in a row, whilst filling the trophy cabinet at least.
Re: Transfer spend - Ole spent same as Mou (in Net he spent lesser than Mou). Ole spent lesser than LVG as well when looking at spend/summer values.
Re: Atmosphere - The atmosphere under LVG improved slightly only because it became clear he was getting sacked at the end of the season, and the atmosphere under Mou was way worse. It improved after his sacking only because we brought in Ole
Re: Youngsters - It's not his fault that Greenwood turned out to be a cnut. And McT became an integral member of the team under Ole, unlike his predecessor, where he was played sometimes as CB to make a statement to the board
Re: CL places - Literally everyone missed CL places when they were sacked. This time around, Ole was sacked when we were 6 points from top 4 with 26 games to go. 3 points from 4th best top 6 club then, so it's not as if it was out of reach. When Mou was fired, we were 11 points from top 4 FYI. And Jose didnt finish in top 4 in 2 consecutive seasons by the way.
Ole spent more than Jose with nothing to show for except the top-4 cup. Ole spent a lot more than LvG, again with nothing to show for.
The atmosphere under Ole was shit as well. There was a lot of booing at our ground until he was sacked. And he overstayed his welcome by being a legend as a player, if anyone else would be in his place he wouldn't last until December 2019.
Fair enough on Greenwood, but you are forgetting that Jose wanted to promote him at 15 and McT got his debut with Jose and was considered a valuable member of the squad. He only played him CB in his final season, as you say to make a statement.
Sure when Mou was fired we were 11 points of the top 4, but everyone lost points and we bottled countless opportunities to get there. Basically if I remember correctly it was between us, Arsenal and Chelsea(?) (to bored to look it up).
Jose didn't finish top 4 in consecutive seasons but we did play Champions League 2 consecutive seasons. So mission accompliced(?) and with a cup won on the way.
No he didnt - Mou spent 7m more in Gross, and 27m more in net (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-united/alletransfers/verein/985). And regarding comparison with LVG, you need to look at spend per season.
2nd point is arguable as there is no metric, I dont think it was, but everyone will have their biases
4th point - Spurs were there as well. The point is everyone were dropping the points toeards the end then, just like teams are dropping points now. This time the gap to be covered is smaller. And regardless, in the last 21 games of that season, we had the 3rd most points in the division. Not sure if anyone hoped for more
The atmosphere improved after Mourinho left because he left, not because Ole came in. Mourinho at the end of his tenure had given up after his last summer transfer window and publicly antagonized half the squad. Ole's tendency to coddle players I'm sure did help with the mood initially, but just about anyone would've "improved" the atmosphere when the guy creating the toxicity left.
I realize these debates regarding Ole will just keep going forever because most people have their mind made up one way or another and will not be convinced otherwise. He's been the most polarizing figure here as a manager.
This is the way I look at it too. Ole finished 2nd which lets be honest is basically the true 1st place because everyone is handicapped compared to Man City. Chelsea are rich but aren’t backed by a country. As you say, only Liverpool who have one of the best managers ever in Klopp have managed to compete. Even then they have only won one premier league. my only disappointment was he didn’t perform in cup competitions. A trophy would of been great.
Liverpool also pushed City very close in another season, and also had a CL win and another final.
Rather than an obstacle, we should look at Liverpool as an example to what you can achieve if you do things really well, even with City around. Which we haven't done.
Harry fecking Maguire just sticks the most
Love how this thread keeps getting bumped instead of blame being laid at the door of who's still picking these players
What about Mourinho, did he win the true 1st place too?
Oh and he has trophies here.
It's not like we suddenly play well if Maguire isn't there. I've lambasted him plenty but nearly all our players struggle to play in any cohesive fashion and lack the intensity to match other sides.
Club as a whole signed these players not just Ole. People forget we have had a transfer committee for a while.
There is no one else. Rangnick cant stick to playing the same xi every game, he has to rotate players too.
Someone bring up his fairwell video again. So we can dissect it.
Rubbish there's loads of players who have barely had a look in under RR
Tell me you never went to OT during that time period without telling me you never went to OT during that time period.
If he had only won the Europa League he would still be the manager.
If the season played out the exact same way I don't think so, he may have been given even longer but with the results were going it would have been hard for him to survive beyond December. We may have ended up going out of The Champions League.
Like who? The only position he could of rotated a little bit more is CB and maybe of given Mejbri a runout. He's given plenty of players chances including Telles, Dalot and Elanga.
If you're talking about Martial or Lingard why should they have gotten a lookin when one is looking for an out and the other can't be arsed in any shape or form? Would you pick Henderson, Heaton or Grant over De Gea?
Do you think players like Shoretire or Mellor are ready for first team football? At least RR isn't scared to make big decisions like dropping Rashford, Shaw, AWB or even Bruno unlike previous managers who made the predictions game boring because bar injuries it was the exact same 11 no matter what their form or condition was like bar the odd exception.
Thank you, redder than red the glorious supporter of United. I'm honored to be in your presence.
Praise for the real true glorious red ! We as supporters from far away are a second class being. Hence our opinion shall be treated as garbage in front of true Red. Seriously though that elitism attitude stinks. Just because someone is not born in Manchester then their opinion should be undermined by the true red ?
Happy birthday Ole!
Happy bday Legend
Look through the squad that RR had when he joined and you should be able to see for yourself who could have been given more minutes
Like who though? Beyond say maybe Hannibal (whose time will come) I can't really think of anyone? He's given Telles and Dalot a new lease of life for example, they were dead and buried pretty much under Ole. Your posts these days just read like someone who made their mind up ages ago and now won't budge at all no matter what happens.
This will come to light in the next few years, but Ole has set the club back years.
The squad management has been absolutely criminal. Hoarding players on contracts that we never wanted to play.
For all his talk of “mentality”, we’ve assembled the biggest group of toxic cnuts ever, on long expensive contracts that we we will struggle to shift.
The squad management has been absolutely criminal. Hoarding players on contracts that we never wanted to play.
For all his talk of “mentality”, we’ve assembled the biggest group of toxic cnuts ever, on long expensive contracts that we we will struggle to shift.
I do find it funny how this thread is bumped after every bad result - the old narrative was it used to be all Oles fault. He wasnt getting it right, we should have been challenging for the league. Now its all the players fault or Oles fault for buying them. complete change of narrative to keep looking back: These players had looked very good for long periods under Ole. Theres some shocking form at the moment from many of them but the toxic stuff is media guff. its not an Ole in post either - it was his time to go, i just dont think many want to concede that we have appointed a bit of a dud interim now as well
He left team which was 3 years uncoached, with awful fitness level and with players who he bough and are not good enough. Pep and Klopp together could not fix this in a few months.
If the side was 3 years uncoached, how were we finishing in top 4? In a top league, it's just impossible to finish this high with zero coaching.
Sorry, my mistake. Park the bus and relly on individual moments in attack is some kind of coaching.
Truth is that Solskjaer reign ruined us beyond of repair. Our own Ali Dia...
His finishing touch was bringing Ronaldo back. Which finished him. The ironing is delicious.
Great post. Agree with this 100%.
That approach worked better than RR’s, statistically at least.
Why do you think underperforming teams suddenly become world beaters with a change of coach? Zidane with Madrid, Tuchel with Chelsea…?
There is a reality where Ole wasn’t good enough to continue as our manager AND Ralf isn’t good enough either. That is clearly a possibility.