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Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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The foundations weren’t there that’s the problem, Ole was a short term manager, he made a huge mess but people fell for all the cliches and finishing second in a poor league. We were miles behind City when Ole joined, we’re miles behind them now, all Ole did was waste loads of time and money.
Klop and pep did not turn the players they inherited into world beaters. They gutted the team and brought in new players.
Even they know turd cannot be polished. Our players are shit.
Ah okay so the manager doesn't decide which players to sign. Got it.
Yes, De Gea wearing the captains armband today would have made so much difference.
Nice intentional misunderstanding of the point that's being made.
What's the alternative understanding? Who is the transformative captain choice he should have made instead?
Sad to say it, but this is true.
Love Ole as an ex player. But as a manager he set us back years.
Woodward allowing a temporary managerial appointment to stay for 3 years and then not having a replacement ready so signing another interim manager is also comical. The blame lies with the Glazers and their puppet, Woodward. I fear for the culture and structure in our senior management positions.
Cultural reboot? He's left us with the most spineless, non-Manchester United squad I can remember. And he's an ex player that knows what's required here! The guy is a clown of a manager.
6 of the team werent Ole signings.
The implication from what I can tell is that Maguire's status as record defensive signing and club captain makes him nigh on undroppable for any manager as long as Maguire is at the club, despite poor performances, which has reportedly been questioned internally by the players. An interim manager's hardly going to come in during the middle of the season and change the captain. I do agree with the point you're making about us having no proper captain material in the squad though. If it were me, I'd give it to de Gea or Bruno and not necessarily because they have any inherent leadership qualities that are obvious even if I think Bruno does lead by example and puts a lot of effort in, but because they are likely to be mainstays in the starting XI over the next year or two.
I apologise if I came off as overly confrontational
It's going to take years to fix the mess of a squad that Ole left behind. The next manager is going to have to put out fires everywhere, from defence, to midfield, to the attack.
Damn, some people still defend that fraud. Person who wasted 3 years, over 400 mil euros and had zero dignity. Man, who is so called United legend and "loves the club", rather waited for sack instead resigning when it was obvious that things are broken beyond repair.
Fixed that for you
is it people defending ole bumping this thread every time ralf gets embarrassed haha
We overpaid but this place has become so obsessed with blaming everything on him its ridiculous. Paying £40m for Varane (probably £300k a week) and him barely being available is just as big a waste of money.
He can easily be dropped if anyone else was pulling up trees with their performances. As it is the defence is so exposed by a lack of midfield it doesn't matter who we play there they look poor.
I don't agree on Bruno, it's not captain material for me the amount of moaning and histrionics he produces during games. His performances are just as poor as anyone else, masked by the odd goal.
I stopped reading at your username.
I don't even blame Ole. The fact that we centred a multi-year rebuild around him is a symptom of the problem rather than the cause.
There’s plenty of information about a cross-functional transfer committee in place at the club. There’s no information which states that Ole solely dictates who we sign and for how much. But yeah, I appreciate this doesn’t fit with what you tell yourself.
People just simply have really short memories and talked so much shit about Ole. The squad Ole left is not a mess if CR7 was not added. Ralf is simply not good at all for short term fix. He probably will do a lot better for long term. But, he won’t be the one in the summer apparently.
Nice legacy he left us with. An 80 million CB that can't control a football and seems to find himself in the wrong position in crucial moments every time. A 50 million right back that is not a footballer. A duo of CFs of a combined age of more than 70. No CM able to pass a football apart from Pogba who will leave.
heres a thought experiment - if the squad is so terrible (oles fault) should we bring him back as he obviously did an incredible job with a squad that isn't top 4 worthy? bring him back but give him no say over transfers (as he build such a terrible squad). with better recruitment he should logically do better and might win the league or at least go one step further and win some trophies
I think It's pretty obvious that Maguire and Wan Bissaka were Solskjaer (and Phelan) signings and didn't have much to do with the scouting/recruitment department. Mourinho wanted Maguire the summer prior but scouting/recruitment reported back that he wasn't worth the asking price so we didn't sign him initially. His and Wan Bissaka's last game vs utd as opposition were both eye catching games (Maguire particularly at the end of the game looking dangerous in the air chasing an equaliser) which seemed to heavily influence Solskjaer's choice, along with Phelan's praise after being his captain for Hull City. The scouting/recruitment department signings came the summer after with Van de Beek, Amad and Pellestri, who Solskjaer froze out completely because he didn't get who he wanted (Sancho or Grealish).
Not a mess, really?! We have a gk who is not suited to a modern system. At cb we have 80 million flop Maguire and Varane who can't stay fit, both on huge wages. More problems at full back with Shaw who is notoriously inconsistent and AWB who's another big flop. The midfield of McFred is not even top 10 prem quality, mid table clubs have better midfielders than them. We have nothing in the 9 position with Cavani leaving and Ronaldo finished. RW position also remains unfixed. But sure, it's not a mess
He bought Maguire, AWB and they have failed. He bought Bruno who was very good in the first season. He bought dvb and never played him.
In the overall outlook he was nothing but a huge failure as he won nothing but spent a lot of money.
In the overall outlook he was nothing but a huge failure as he won nothing but spent a lot of money.
Ole has repeatedly claimed to have the final say on who comes and goes. In that final say I'd argue that it's relevant to judge how much of the transfer budget will remain after signing player X.
We all knew what Maguire and AWB would cost before the transfers were completed, for example. So if I were the manager, with a self-proclaimed final say on comings and goings, and I wanted to overhaul the squad, I might not have gone for the most expensive centre half and the most expensive RB that we could've gone for if I wanted to sign five or six players in a transfer window.
Whys it weird? Do you think the club has been set up nicely for the next manager after 3 years and 400m+ spent? Legacy is far from, "well he did get us 2 top 4 finishes." bullshit argument.
because we have a good enough squad to be beating the worst teams in the league. the only reason the bump today was so funny is because of oles incredible record away to city. this is one of ralfs first actually difficult games, up until now we have been performing poorly during an extremely easy league run, and the response each time was to come in here and say ole didn't leave ralf the players to win these games...
Ole didn’t negotiate the cost of players and in all likelihood, wasn’t involved in budgeting either. It’s debatable how influential he was in the transfer committee at all, considering what appears to be a rather complicated setup with the likes of Woodward at the helm.
I just find it strange that people where prepared to stick by Ole through thick and thin even though he was almost sacked 3 or 4 times before he actually lost his job and the same people like to stick the knife into Ralf at any opportunity after a few months and zero money spent. There's absolutely no consistency. I really fear for the next manager, especially if it's Poch if they don't hit the ground running from the get go.
Why are so many people obsessed with such a specific record, is it all they can cling to now after being made to look so foolish about all the great work Ole was doing and how we’d be competing for the title. City beat us 2-0 at home with Ole in charge this season without even breaking a sweat, last team to beat us 4-1 was Watford with Ole in charge.
But what really matters is Ole was a disaster, who has left behind a shit show that will take years to sort out. The time to try and mitigate that is gone, just accept you got it wrong and hope it gets better eventually.
Did I say that Ole decided the cost of the players, because it's the second time you've attempted to attribute that to me? Maguire's £80m price tag and AWB's £50m price tag were all over the media before they had been signed, just like Sancho's €120m price tag last summer was known for a long while.
Surely the manager has some sort of idea as to whether the club he's managing can spend £50m, £100m or £150m in a transfer window though, don't you think? Or do you think that the board keeps the manager completely in the dark as to what the transfer budget is? And given those constraints, don't you think it's the manager's job (if he, as he says, has the final say on ins and outs) to decide if he wants two players for £130m or if he wants six players for the same amount of money?
No. That's not how it works. Go to the 1st few pages of this thread. It was "Leaving a good squad whose talent is being wasted by Ole". Now, it's "Shit squad" as well but we were getting brilliant results with shot players and a tactical noob against the biggest sides because of some juju Nigerians would do when Ighalo was here.
We played park the bus and counter football in the big games spamming long balls up to james and rashford, which stopped working as soon as the big teams cottoned onto it and adjusted.
It's all a "Fugazi"
im only in here saying rangnick should be able to beat the worst teams in. the league with the players he has. that is all im saying. if you are going to try to argue with that you aren't going to come out of it well
i find it wierd that people bump this thread with fresh excuses for ralf. this is all in the context of this thread, which is a thread that is used to say 'damn you olleeeeeee' every time we look bad under ralf.
you can call that 'sticking by ole' if you want. all i am saying is ralf is responsible for the performances 4 months after ole has gone, and that the squad is good enough to be doing better than we are doing. that is all i am saying. find it insane that people are happy to argue that we dont have the players to win games, especially on days when we have looked poor versus the worst sides in the league. i find it wierd in the context of this thread, not in any other context you can make up above about 'sticking by ole', who is gone months haha
He had ample time and opportunity to get rid of players he didn't want. Hell he had the time to sign a player, watch him flop and then sell him (James). Yet here we are. When you keep these players around for 3 years then it is fair to assume they were part of the managers plans.
Probanly put that in the Rangnick thread then, I’m just making point Ole was a disaster who left behind a huge mess, won’t come out very well if argue against that. Rangnick didn’t put this shit show together, he didn’t create this awful culture, Ole did. This is about Ole’s legacy, Rangnick could and should be doing better but make that’s nothing to do with Ole’s legacy.
Like the club you backed the wrong guy, accept it and move on. We going to be shit for a long time, it’s not going to change that Ole failed miserably.