Thank you for what you did as a player. Thank you for your run as interim steadying the ship. Everything after that? Nope.
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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Thank you Ole. It just didn't work out for you. Ole you will still be remembered for one of the best nights in Manchester United history all the best fella.
Thank you for nothing.
What about when Pogba, Lingard, DVB, Cavani, Mata all leave end of season.
Thank you for leaving.
Who are you thinking of? On a scale of Z to Z, how would you rate the candidates?
The disappointing thing for me is that he was a relatively young manager in the biggest club in the world who should have been buzzing with excitement and hell-bent on moulding us in his vision but he came in and effectively managed us like a 74 year-old caretaker for three years. Lack of energy or enthusiasm, stilted boring football that lacked shape, direction or intent. Truth be known, as a lovely as he might be as a person and as legendary as his player career is - to me he's always given the impression he's half-arsed the job.
Endless games where he'd passively sit and watch things go down the pisser rather than do ANYTHING to turn things around. Terrible individual performances that were rewarded by never being dropped as if he either didn't notice, didn't care or was too weak to act. Injured players clearly not fit getting game time - again as if he didn't notice, didnt care or was too weak to make a decision to drop them. Take your pick, it's all bad. Subs that bared no relation to how the game had gone or who was playing well or badly. Again, as if he didn't care, didn't notice or was too weak to make tough decisions.
Endless games where he'd passively sit and watch things go down the pisser rather than do ANYTHING to turn things around. Terrible individual performances that were rewarded by never being dropped as if he either didn't notice, didn't care or was too weak to act. Injured players clearly not fit getting game time - again as if he didn't notice, didnt care or was too weak to make a decision to drop them. Take your pick, it's all bad. Subs that bared no relation to how the game had gone or who was playing well or badly. Again, as if he didn't care, didn't notice or was too weak to make tough decisions.
Ole was and will always be a legend at this club. But as a player not ,alas, as a manager. I'm afraid that by being a poor manager he will lose that Legend tag. And that is a great shame. The sh*t that is being spouted about him on these pages is pretty distasteful. Not too long ago he was the new Messiah. The same people who were praising him then are probably the same people who are rubbishing him now. Sad.
In the midest of corona pandmeic time his teams given us something to lookforward every week, all those come backs / Cavani-Bruno Goals ,
I always remeber those matches and 3/2nd finishes in a row which was not bad compared to his predecessors
I always remeber those matches and 3/2nd finishes in a row which was not bad compared to his predecessors
Most I’ve enjoyed United since Fergie. He did well but he couldn’t take us forward.
Ole Legend. See you soon boss!
No I don't because your comment is silly. We're talking about people's careers here. Every manager who came here and failed had his career thrown back years. Moyes is managing West Ham who are doing well at the moment but are nowhere near to Everton. LVG had retired for a couple of years only to return as Dutch manager. Finally Mou ended up with Roma who are nowhere near to United or Chelsea. You don't need to be a 'United legend' to want to do well here. Actually the only man who fecked off to a holiday in the middle of a crisis was a United legend.
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This season was an utter failure, no doubt. Previous seasons were continuous progress, so no I don't see it like that. If the next manager has to bin most of the squad then I'll change my opinion, but I see this squad capable of achieving glory.
Perhaps, but you can let us be "wrong" in peace.
That team Jose left had been the 2nd best team in the country. Just like Ole left too. Its crazy to say that he is leaving a better team than he got. Maybe it is but he completely mismanaged the team. So he is worse off than Jose as he did win a couple of trophies.
It is a fact, but you still felt the need to come into the Thank You Ole thread to vomit it out.
You're happy and you want to gloat, fine, but do it in one of the many threads that exist for that reason.
If only changing the manager would put things right, I have my doubts.
Ole did bring some relief after the staleness of LvG and the negativity of Jose, he put a smile on all our faces, but alas he didn't tackle the really deep seated problems at the club and it was inevitable they would catch up with him. His inexperience under pressure told in the end, there appears to have been too many 'back stories' operating at the club, most of them resulting from the 'cocked up' lack of succession planning debacle, after Fergie left.
The worrying thing is who can sort out the crap? We have so called 'top players' seemingly not trying, or worse still they are not as 'top player material' as they think they are when they come under the massive pressure of wearing a United shirt, they cannot perform consistently, very few if any are real leaders, and the hierarchy in the playing staff is easy to spot, some players are on two or three times more money than their squad colleagues. In such cases and especially when the chips are down the tendency will be to tell the manager "get after him boss he's getting three times what we are and he's sh**e!
The training and coaching has been abysmal, for years really. Football is a simple game but you wouldn't think so watching United over recent seasons, attempts to incorporate modern influences coming into the game, e.g. like playing out from the back, putting on and sustaining a high press, pass and move shapes all over the pitch, are performed with amazing incompetence, that is repeated week after week, game after game, and every player involved seems scared to death when they get dragged into things.
Ole has made some changes, brought some decent players in, but all have eventually been sucked into the morass of incompetence, lack of confidence, etc. that seems to pervade all training/coaching right through to game planning. Hence his main failure has been seeming his inability to reverse these underlying problems. Whether he has been held back by the owners, or he has just failed to appreciate the problems, we shall have to wait for his 'My time at United' tell all book!
Undoubtedly the owners approach to running the club hasn't helped, but that's as much to do with a failure to 'clean house' as it is to making a profit. For the Owners there has to be a realization that the quick fix of going for star names ( worryingly more to sell shirts) hasn't worked, because whats broken needs more application and planning than that.
Good luck to Ole he has had a good go, but it was always a bridge too far in present circumstances.
Ole did bring some relief after the staleness of LvG and the negativity of Jose, he put a smile on all our faces, but alas he didn't tackle the really deep seated problems at the club and it was inevitable they would catch up with him. His inexperience under pressure told in the end, there appears to have been too many 'back stories' operating at the club, most of them resulting from the 'cocked up' lack of succession planning debacle, after Fergie left.
The worrying thing is who can sort out the crap? We have so called 'top players' seemingly not trying, or worse still they are not as 'top player material' as they think they are when they come under the massive pressure of wearing a United shirt, they cannot perform consistently, very few if any are real leaders, and the hierarchy in the playing staff is easy to spot, some players are on two or three times more money than their squad colleagues. In such cases and especially when the chips are down the tendency will be to tell the manager "get after him boss he's getting three times what we are and he's sh**e!
The training and coaching has been abysmal, for years really. Football is a simple game but you wouldn't think so watching United over recent seasons, attempts to incorporate modern influences coming into the game, e.g. like playing out from the back, putting on and sustaining a high press, pass and move shapes all over the pitch, are performed with amazing incompetence, that is repeated week after week, game after game, and every player involved seems scared to death when they get dragged into things.
Ole has made some changes, brought some decent players in, but all have eventually been sucked into the morass of incompetence, lack of confidence, etc. that seems to pervade all training/coaching right through to game planning. Hence his main failure has been seeming his inability to reverse these underlying problems. Whether he has been held back by the owners, or he has just failed to appreciate the problems, we shall have to wait for his 'My time at United' tell all book!
Undoubtedly the owners approach to running the club hasn't helped, but that's as much to do with a failure to 'clean house' as it is to making a profit. For the Owners there has to be a realization that the quick fix of going for star names ( worryingly more to sell shirts) hasn't worked, because whats broken needs more application and planning than that.
Good luck to Ole he has had a good go, but it was always a bridge too far in present circumstances.
His legacy would be too big a step for a mediocre manager. Just like it was for Moyes. United was a too big club for him and his lack of coaching ability and his choice of coaching staff left a bitter taste. If he had gone after the first season it would have been brilliant. He overstayed his welcome.
Maybe, that depends on whether his successor has success with the team - if they do then Ole will get credit for putting it together, just like Lampard.
I don't like revision of history simply because 'he's one of us' or similar BS. Nothing right comes out of that. It's not to do with gloating or vomiting stuff. It's about saying things as they are. This is Redcafe not RAWK.
Ole was a fantastic player, he was an exceptional team player and he was an excellent servant of the club. He did a magnificent job as interim manager but he failed spectacularly as manager. That's it.
I disagree, but I'm not getting into it in this thread. Hopefully you can be adult enough to leave it at that.
All seasons are failure considering the amount of resources put in. United are the biggest spenders since Ole took over and have nothing to show for. Ever since he took the managerial position there isn’t a specific style that he implemented. Last year we were shite against the top teams and grinded out results in corona struck season.
put a competent manager and give him half a billion and he’ll do better than ole.
even past it managers like Jose and LvG did better.
the only one who can be considered worse was Moyes yet he didn’t waste so many resources and time and was quickly relieved. In 10 years time only cups and titles will remain and under Ole we won feck all. On top of that the season we’re currently in is wasted and the next manager again has a big rebuild job on his hands.
I disagree with your summary, and your framing of "anyone who disagrees with me is RAWKish" shows the maturity lacking in your arguments (as does you trying to force your opinions on people in the wrong thread).
If you want to discuss this further, without the absolutes, take it to another thread and you can tag me in the post. This is the wrong place for it and you know it.
Mixed bag.
I'll always remember the Honeymoon and the decent Top2-3 positions in the era of Pep/Klopp, but the FA Cup + EL fiascos and the terrible "autumn 2021" will taint his legacy for generations to come.
A failed decent manager, simple as that.
I'll always remember the Honeymoon and the decent Top2-3 positions in the era of Pep/Klopp, but the FA Cup + EL fiascos and the terrible "autumn 2021" will taint his legacy for generations to come.
A failed decent manager, simple as that.
Much thanks to Ole for his playing days and his coaching days. Best of luck. A forever club legend.
He wasn't decent. He is a poor manager carried by players until their backs broke.
Strongly disagree, but as I said before this is the wrong thread. There are plenty of other threads to discuss this, no need to barge into a thread that isn't aimed at you to try to derail it.
so if the successor wins the league with DVB as his main CM, Amad LW, drops Maguire Ole gets credit for that?
Not allowed to insult individual posters but there's some right cnuts in here.
You mean if he wins the league with players that Ole bought in? Then yeah, Ole gets some credit for bringing them in. Lampard gets credit for assembling the team that Tuchel turned into a monster - rightly so. Good recruitment is a skill that some excellent tacticians never master.
But if the squad his inherited was so bad - how damning for Ole's managerial abilities is the fact that Jose was still able (with such an inferior squad as you say) to win trophies and achieve a 82 point tally in the league - more than Ole ever did with improved squad? Plus we had more points at the same stage even in Jose bust-up season, again with an inferior squad. You pick Shaw, but Pogba and Martial have not proved him wrong so far. And I always thought and still think Jose was a huge failure here and wanted him gone long before we sacked him.
Improving the atmosphere after Jose is a quick fix and could have been done by most of the managers, as Ince pointed out and was ridiculed here at the time.
Squad and recruitment is somewhat better, yes, but for 400m, no real hidden gems uncovered and we cannot be sure that Ole is the main guy on recruitment anyway so unclear that he can take full praise or criticism here. In Molde he had a blank cheque for Norwegian Standards and in Cardiff where he clearly played a huge part in recruitment he signed like 5 our former academy players that were clearly not good enough (but his friend and his and their agent Solbakken could pocket handsome fees).
Disagree with this. Said it in other threads as well. The pattern of our recruitment has been pretty much the same since Fergie retired. Doubt any of the managers had a big say in identifying and bringing players in. And no, managers should be judged on their time when they are at helm. You put Ole instead of Tuchel in that Chelsea team and they will be nowhere near where they are now.
Thanks for trying, unfortunately he was way out of his depth.
Humiliating defeats throughout his tenure proved as much.
Cant take his legend status away as a player but he has been the worst manager post SAF.
Good luck Ole hope you get every penny you are due from the leeches.
Humiliating defeats throughout his tenure proved as much.
Cant take his legend status away as a player but he has been the worst manager post SAF.
Good luck Ole hope you get every penny you are due from the leeches.
Ive felt sorry for Ole recently as clearly out of his depth. Never thought he could win us a title and should never have been appointed full time but that is done now.
This has been bugging me for a while now though, what does make a Utd legend as a player? I dont think he was a legend as i feel that is reserved for our elite.
Majority of people here think he was so Im asking what is the Bar? Who is just above or just below?
Big big difference between a good, even great, player and a legend IMO.
Putting my helmet on.
This has been bugging me for a while now though, what does make a Utd legend as a player? I dont think he was a legend as i feel that is reserved for our elite.
Majority of people here think he was so Im asking what is the Bar? Who is just above or just below?
Big big difference between a good, even great, player and a legend IMO.
Putting my helmet on.
No he wasn't. Some people have short memories.
Oh yes he was and by a fair distance imo
Tactically so out of his depth.
Embarrassed in every game this season bar two.
Seems some people have short memories after all
Ole took us to second last year. Restored some of the feel good factor and cohesiveness in the squad after the toxicity left from Jose. Will always give him that. He was vastly out of his depth but he truly loved the club and tried his very best. He’s done. In the past. No need to deride him any further. Everyone knows he should have been gone after 5-0 by Pool. The fact that he was left twisting in the wind till yesterday, and that we have Carrick or whomever as interim until the end of this year are just symptoms of the Glazers problem. Not sure Conte was the most appropriate choice in my view but he was the most logical. We are now truly at the peak of the twilight zone, like when Gillet and Hicks with Liverpool in the 90s. Cannot believe our club has come to this. It’s surreal. Like you know you’re in a nightmare but can’t wake up.
Our recruitment has been much better under Ole compared to previous managers - Moyes vetoed top class players to raid Everton, LvG bought a load of dross he'd barely seen play, and Mou only wanted geriatric players.
Under Ole we've actually had a pattern to our recruitment. Anyway, as I said before, you're derailing the thread here. Find a more relevant thread and post in that - tag me in it if you want to keep this discussion going. I'm happy to keep discussing as it's been respectful (which is a rarity on the forum given the topic).
Ole or Moyes are the worst managers post SAF easily. Thing is Moyes only got 8 months. Ole got 3 years 500m and was awful. So he probably is the worst manager post SAF.
No he wasn't. Some people have short memories.
Like I said, let's leave it then