I can't remember but did we thank our previous managers?
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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Regarding RAWK they tend to overestimate their own legends to the ridiculous and shut those who disagree with them which is exactly what you're doing in this very thread. Therefore if you disagree with my assessment regarding Ole then let's discuss it. That's the mature thing to do.
But did they play the United way?
Absolutely was, and by some distance, no amount of smilies can change that. Recency bias can work both ways, apparently. Spent the most money in all of the PL since he took over and won feck all. Forget winning trophies, he was so clueless our team was void of any identity or playing style.
No he wasn't. Some people have short memories.
You mean conceding goals left, right and centre against any and every opposition?
Bingo.
Had it not been for Ronaldo, we'd be out of the CL and we'd still be thanking Ole.
What state did Jose left us really? We were in a bad form with bad results, but after the honeymoon phase of Ole's caretaking role, we were in the same state regardless - 6th position in a form that could only be described as absolutely disastrous, winning only 3 matches from 15. In comparison's to Mourinho's disastrous start of 22 games and 10 wins. So how good was Ole really, aside from the honeymoon period where we went on some unbelieavable streak? Okay, let's just excuse that season as half-Mourinho's and Ole was trying to salvage what he can, fine. But then in the following season we didn't do much better, ending with the same amount of points. The following season - again we didn't do any better. Finished second but with abysmally low points that wouldn't even get you top 4th in most seasons. This season has been a complete unmitigated disaster.
So despite all of the money spent, we're nowhere to be found. At least wtih Van Gaal he formed a style of play that we could have built on from there. Mourinho, albeit failing, delivered the best results, winning a couple of trophies in the process. The only one who Ole was superior to was Moyesy.
And as far as leaving a team that could apparently "win it all", that's not something to be applauded. It's not like he was working on a shoestring budget. Sancho, Ronaldo, Varane are not some hidden gems that Ole unearthed from nowhere. We paid quite heavily for those players in terms of wages and everything. Don't get me started on that slabhead and AWB, both are heavily suspect transfers. And albeit I do consider Donny to be a great player and having the potential to be the backbone of the team under a good manager, under Ole he was mistreated and misused heavily, especially given what is in front of him. What did Mourinho get for finishing second? Oh yes, a donkey in Fred. He was blocked from selling Martial and Pogba, too, which would have helped a lot of our problems right now.
In the end, Ole can take solace in the fact that he was better than an actually decent manager in Moyes, but that's it. We've failed miserably, we have no style of play and we're right back to where Mourinho left us - in a bad position, trying to salvage a season with no good manager in sight to take over until the end of the season
Is this you thank you message? Very sweet.
I think his constant sitting down is because he basically didn't know what to do
Jesus Christ get over yourself. Making it sound personal and like he's been trying to fail. The guy is a genuinely good bloke by all accounts, he loves the club and it's just not worked out. The end. No need for the constant whining like a little girl.
Meanwhile we still have bigger issues. The Glazers and the board. Maybe focus on that now.
Why can’t we keep this thread positive? Everyone has said their opinion on Ole countless times in other threads. This thread is to say goodbye and remember the best moments. Beating. Paris, Leipzig, Liverpool, City, Chelsea, seeing Mason’s incredible goals, Ronaldo back, Marcus Rashford MBE, reaching top 4 after lockdown, being top of the league last season. Thank you Ole for the good memories, you will always be a legend here!
It definitely was. I think once it became clear the only thing he had going for him was a united dressing room the odds of him ever challenging players for poor performances either during a game or in the dressing room became longer and longer. I think that's why in the end even though they liked him I dont think they respected him
It's a thread on the internet, not a myspace page dedicated to your favourite boyband member where you use his middle name to underline just how much more you love him than anyone else. Elton John isn't going to write a song for the occasion.
Nice we won some games - thanks OIe! We'd never won any games before you so we'll forever be grateful. We've no standards anymore.
I mean we should show a little respect, but some people are obviously unable to do so.
Balls to thanking him.
Should've walked ages ago and he's left the club in an awful position which the next manager will take an age to sort out.
Should've walked ages ago and he's left the club in an awful position which the next manager will take an age to sort out.
Mourinho was embarrassed in nearly every game in his final season. Moyes was embarrassed for his whole tenure.
Ole had his united play better football than the others for the majority of his time. Miles more goals scored. His United scored 4 or more goals about 10 more times than the other 3 managers combined.
He also finished 2nd, LVG got no where near that, Moyes inherited the league champions and was miles behind when he got sacked.
LVG had United playing the worst, most boring football I have ever seen, for literally his whole tenure. Mourinho's football wasn't as boring but it wasn't far off.
Ole broke the record for the most away games unbeaten in PL history. Moyes destroyed United records that were held for 40 plus years.
LVG set the club back a lot of years by ripping out the winner pedigree by selling league winning players and replacing them with absolute dross. Mourinho would have replaced half of the team with ageing players and set the club back even more. At least the squad is in a much better position after Ole than it was after LVG and then Mourinho.
Like I said, people have such short memories.
Thank you for cheering the mood up 3 years ago, a shame that nothing was won, poor players were signed, we play like shit, we got humiliated by basically every top 4 rival besides Chelsea, and left a unsettled squad with no playing bases at all.
Besides that a pretty good job, Bounce and not good enough FC.
Loser manager should been gone a long ago.
Besides that a pretty good job, Bounce and not good enough FC.
Loser manager should been gone a long ago.
Tried his best and will always be a legend. Obviously wasn't good enough in the end but the board have to take blame for not putting him out of his misery and giving contract extensions.
Good thing he signed Ronaldo then.
What? Lampard gets no credit at all. If anything it highlights the incompetence of him by contrasting how good Chelsea play with Tuchel with the same bunch on players.
Hopefully the same will happen if/when we appoint a proper manager.
Can go further and thank the board for signing Ole who signed Ronaldo.
I think this is strange, I’ve used the word deluded too many times in recent weeks to use it again. Trying your best means very little if you are incompetent. I could try my best to fly an airplane tonight, but the plane would most likely crash into a mountain. And what love are you talking about? This place has never been more polarized or toxic, the general feeling of apathy is evident… for years! The fanbase is more depressed than ever because of his absolute lack of ability. One of the worst managers in the history of the Premier League, finally he is gone and now we can hopefully hire a professional manager to sort out the mess the former one left behind. I have very little sentiment for a person that a) got something he did not deserve and b) leaves with 10M in his pocket for being crap.
The whole point is that Lampard had them doing high press for a year before Tuchel arrived. Tuchel just got them doing it much much better. It's unthinkable that he could have had such instant success had Lampard not prepared the way. We by contrast have no playing style at all and the wrong players to even attempt it. It's going to take a while so we need to start preparation now, not in the summer.
Look he is a terrible manager. No escaping that I'm afraid. A great fecking player though.
As a manager if I had to thank him for something it'd be his hoarding of players. At least the new guy has a plethora of riches to choose from.
As a manager if I had to thank him for something it'd be his hoarding of players. At least the new guy has a plethora of riches to choose from.
Still my points stands, there's a difference between a team that's playing well and it's just missing something to click then a manager comes and boom.
It wasn't the case at Chelsea and certainly it's not the case with us. Lampard and Ole should get no credit for anything that happens after the were sacked.
Maybe you should take that flight..
It's certainly not the case that we just need the right manager to make this team compete for silverware. The stench of decay at Old Trafford exists at all levels. And like a fish we have rotted from the brain first.
It self evidently was the case at Chelsea, so you have to say Lampard did a lot.
He gets plenty of credit, including from Tuchel, for putting the team together, but it's rightly highlighted that he simply couldn't get the performance out of them that a coach like Tuchel could.
Ole didnt even know his best 11, tactically out thought by most teams hes played this team. Embarassed by Liverpool City Leicester Watford Villa Atlanta Young Boys this season alone. Put out of the Champions League when he needed 1 point from the last two games. Said Itd dont play for a draw and played for a draw against Leipzig last season and get humiliated. Hes average at best. Give Moyes Jose or LvG this squad of players and you think they do a worse job?
Even though I dont rate him at all as a manager, I would have loved him to prove me wrong and win something (still a legend at the club and a legend as a player in my eyes), but alas he just wasn't up to the required standard. Shame that the idiots who run the club waited this long to put him out of his misery and he had to go the way he has.
Good luck Ole, where ever you end up.
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That's exactly what we need from an interim coach. He also got top four. He was also under a transfer ban a lot of that time and brought out a lot of youth talent. He's ideal if he will take it on those terms.
No he doesn’t and won’t, new manager will inherit a squad assembled by multiple managers what he does or doesn’t do after that is up him.
Ole won’t get credit or blame for what someone else does, we can only assess Ole on what he did and state of team now. He’s failed and he’s left a mess which is the result of giving the job to someone who was totally out of his depth. Ole did well to delay this for as long as he did because it was inevitable.
Getting credit for someone else winning with the team he put together is getting credit for something he's done.
Lampard gets credit for what he did - assembling the team - and Tuchel gets more for actually winning with it.
Thank you, but am not sure how it got to be this bad at the end. Bad is drawing against Young Boys, Watford etc... but we were losing those games. As if he sabotages us or players at the end hated him so much so they sabotaged us. It seems we need to clean up a lot of players as well. Pogba, Matic, Mata, Martial ... all need to go.
Ole's legacy as a player is not affected, he scored the goal that help secure the treble, for that he will always be a United hero!
Unfortunately the inability to win silverware as a manager was perhaps the beginning of his undoing. Ole put a smile back on everyone's face at OT when he arrived back and had he just fulfilled the role of interim manager and bowed out, once he saw the real depth of problems at the club, this question would not be being asked!
He didn't, and perhaps he didn't realise soon enough just what a mountain he was being asked to climb. So Ole will leave with most supporters good wishes and respect but perhaps less admiration for his management skills?
Unfortunately the inability to win silverware as a manager was perhaps the beginning of his undoing. Ole put a smile back on everyone's face at OT when he arrived back and had he just fulfilled the role of interim manager and bowed out, once he saw the real depth of problems at the club, this question would not be being asked!
He didn't, and perhaps he didn't realise soon enough just what a mountain he was being asked to climb. So Ole will leave with most supporters good wishes and respect but perhaps less admiration for his management skills?
Thank you Ole, some incredible memories!
Agree the board has cocked up in the dithering over the position. They have a lot to answer let's hope they get the right guy in next.
Exactly. Ole never put together a team. he just said yes to the transfer department that was run on commercial lines.