Ole should have never have got the permanant job. Any vaguely competent board or CEO should have known this woudl end in disaster. Ole had done precisely nothing in his managerial career to become Utd manager. Lets stop dealing in fairy tales and asses the world as it is. Ole has spent £450m on a squad that seems as mismatched and with as big holes in certain areas as the one he inherited. Not his fault he was given job, but he is legend and was taking us all for fools. His management of some players diabolical. Where is all the youth coming through? Nowhere. Utd DNA my @rse
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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And a squad of mentally destroyed players, lacking belief and no ideas what to do with the ball.
This. And there will be a very simple test of whether he is average or worse - how his career pans out and who hires him after his stint at United.
I think he would struggle to get a gig above Championship or Norway, and even that at a stretch. Other clubs' judgement is not clouded by nostalgia. With Moyes and Jose at least they had a history of successful tenures. Ole has none. His results worsened and became inconsistent at Molde and the fans were pleased he left (and he had a rich owner and basically a free run at the best Norwegian players - plus I am surprised that the story of self-dealing and conflict of interest concerning Ole and his agent is not discussed more here - as many are wedded to the concept of "good guy Ole"), at Cardiff he failed and at United he also failed. He has only history of failure - and only times his results were not awful is when he had huge resources to mask his inadequacies as manager.
Hardly anyone would buy "squad building" (for 400m) argument or 2nd and 3rd places (both of which were 4th on expected points and one of which was won in the last game and largely due to Leicester collapse) or EL final - with zero trophies - as some sort of "achievement" as United manager. It is only a portion of our fanbase (and the board) who are eager to lower the standards for former players to get and retain jobs.
I mean Di Matteo had a lot better CV than Ole at the time he left Chelsea (CL, Championship success), but he was only hired by horribly managed Schalke and by a championship club after that - and has been without job for the last 5 years. If Ole had Di Matteo's CV he would probably get at least 5 years "no questions asked" here.
Great as interim, shite as permanent. He'll be remembered for the negatives, the 5-0 and the EL final, simply because there have been no equivalent positives. 2nd place was "great" albeit he's already admitted that was because of Liverpools injuries
Love him to bits, please don't forget we came 2nd last season because of him.
Thank you OLEgend.
Many of our fans are a disgrace.
Thank you OLEgend.
Many of our fans are a disgrace.
Agree !
Agree with this view! That's pretty much my recollection. 81 points, finishing 2nd and had a desire for Maguire to progress from a position of strength.
The toxicity back then was 100% Jose... All fans aligned... The club shafted him... He shafted them back... Typical Jose and fully expected as we all know from the past that once your in bed with Jose you back him or it ends badly.
Now we have a split fanbase... Threads like this prove the huge divide... Your Ole in or Ole out... If your Ole out... You lack class and forget his legendary status... Your Ole in or a "top red" and we must back him irrespective of performance because we are man utd and we are different as I regularly read. There is a constant battle between the two groups. The in fighting and disputes between fans, the constant berrating and mocking from every single fan in the country mocking our position once again.
My last post of the day but the way we are right now... Feels worse than at any stage post fergie. Not all on Ole but as manager of this club he is accountable for on the pitch performance and is simply not good enough. We can only hope that with Woodward going and Ole on the brink... The right appointment with a squad of talented footballers we absolutely have can see us make real progress moving forward!
that could be the case, then again it might not... we'll never know will we.
what we can say is that until the last few months Old Trafford has been a much more positive place - that is undeniable.
Not sure why some are so desperate to strip Solskjaer of any credit. Why would anyone who cares about United or who respects a club legend work so hard to argue that he contributed nothing? Why choose to have an agenda against a UNITED LEGEND
We’ve got some of the best attacking players in the world and certainly there’s a much improved structure at the club in terms of the football side of things. With better tactics & footballing vision, and some required strengthening in defence and midfield in the first team squad (also allowing some other first team era to leave) I would expect a massive improvement. I mean Ronaldo, Cavane, Fernandes, Pogba, Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood, etc… come on man what more talent do you want?
This post is a mess. We are a very talented squad with some world class players, a mix of youth and experience and arguably only one real hole in the squad (midfield.)
Stop pretending he’s built a shite side, he’s gone, be happy, no need to be children in the playground chatting nonsense about every last thing the guy did.
Very good player but easily the worst manager post SAF. He should have been sacked ages ago.
People saying he steadied the ship are lunatics. After 3 years our team has 0 style of play, he effectively fecked 3 years of them players careers.
He was good for the first 15 games, then god the fall was immense. Also the level of shit he was spouting in each press conference just to hide his inept management skills was incredible, the biggest "stealing a living" show I've seen for a while.
Thanks for a good few memories here and there, but good riddance, he basically set us back more than Jose did and that is the sad part, not that he tarnished his so called "legacy".
People saying he steadied the ship are lunatics. After 3 years our team has 0 style of play, he effectively fecked 3 years of them players careers.
He was good for the first 15 games, then god the fall was immense. Also the level of shit he was spouting in each press conference just to hide his inept management skills was incredible, the biggest "stealing a living" show I've seen for a while.
Thanks for a good few memories here and there, but good riddance, he basically set us back more than Jose did and that is the sad part, not that he tarnished his so called "legacy".
Thank you for the memories and bringing a connection from the club back to the fans, even if it became bittersweet. Had fears after our summer transfer business and the fall off last season that this might be as far as he could take us.
Will always love him!
Will always love him!
Because he was a disaster. A very expensive one as well.
Ole the manager and the player should be separated if we want to move forward as a club.
If it was Moyes who took over Jose and replicated what Ole did he would’ve been hounded out of the club after two months.
Our club reeks of nepotism and we won’t move an inch forward if we don’t shake off this. Both as a fanbase and management.
Yep. Great player, back in the day.
We have spent a fortune on these players and it's becoming evident that many of these guys will be gone next year, due to the mess ole left us in.
Think about who will be left when we start next season.
No. Stockholm syndrome
Why are we making threads like this when it's not been made official? Bit disrespectful, in my opinion.
Yes, the inevitable will happen but at least wait for it.
Yes, the inevitable will happen but at least wait for it.
We’re really notThank you for what?
We're in a worse state since SAF's departure.
It’s announced fella
It wasn't at the time this thread was made, nor was it when I posted.
Yes he didn’t win anything but he’s left United in a far better place than any other Manchester United manager since Ferguson. He may not have won a trophy but he brought me far more joy than the other manager since Ferguson.
He will always be one of our own.
The only manager we've had post SAF who's been able to back up a top 4 finish.
He earned his shot at the big time this season, its a huge shame its turned out the way it has, but he managed with far more class than Mourinho, even if we're in the same nosedive we were in his last season.
If this incredibly talented squad goes on to some success under a better manager, he'll deserve credit for putting it together.
He earned his shot at the big time this season, its a huge shame its turned out the way it has, but he managed with far more class than Mourinho, even if we're in the same nosedive we were in his last season.
If this incredibly talented squad goes on to some success under a better manager, he'll deserve credit for putting it together.
A good man. Club legend, and will always be. Not a top class coach/manager sadly. I blame the heirarchy that couldn't see that and left the situation to fester. Should he have resigned? Probably, and would have increased his respect. But can't blame him for looking after number 1. I'm just glad it's over, late as it is.
We can agree to disagree. Worst manager managing a top club for that long I’ve ever seen. He’ll be found out at his next job pretty quickly.
This is why we should stop hiring legends or "one of our own", it clouds people's judgement to ridiculous degrees. I've seen people say Ole did all he could have done. Like, seriously? All except being any good at his job.
Is that an iceberg?
Solskjaer will always be a legend to me.
it wasn't a disaster. The last few months have been a disaster granted but its been largely a disappointment with moments of hope and he failed. It was always going to be a very tall order as he has never been in the same league as Pep, Klopp or many others you could mention. He's done OK though given his limitations. You can't expect Dan James to perform like Messi so I'm not sure why some are angry at Ole not winning the league. This year has been a disaster though, no doubt.
before then we've been inconsistent, up and down. Let's get some perspective though. Ole is just another manager who didn't win the league as United manager. Only 3 managers have managed that in the history of our club.
On the nepotism you are right but you can't blame Ole for that. You can't have expected him to say no when offered the job on an interim then permanent basis. He believed in himself and failed. The fact he was offered the job when he didn't deserve it is on the Glazers.
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You can’t simply look at inconsistency. Our squad is a complete mess. He didn’t really promote anyone in terms of youth players and our wage structure is through the roof. On top of spending half a billion.
I’d take what Jose left with 500m in the bank under a competent manager in the last two years any day of the week and we would be in a much better state.
During this time we missed on manager like Tuchel and now we have a zero plan what to do next.
And just like that I love him again. Criminal how these cnuts on the board let him continue for so long.
So you think that the rest wanted United to fail?
Hope he gets a big cheer for the Arsenal home game.
The only manager post SAF who didn't win a single trophy with United that was after spending 415m
Yeah but the previous managers won trophies by sacrificing the league completely. Ole got us to semis and finals by trying to win every match, which ended up being his downfall, as we were knackered in those semis and finals.
Anyway there are plenty of threads around that are dedicated to denigrating Ole, why do you need to be in here arguing with those of us who think he did alright up until this season?
Because you guys are wrong
Love Ole the player. That hasn't changed. Rather move on now, and remember him as a player.
Fantastic post indeed. I agree with every single word of yours. Especially the part he's failed his dream. It must hurt a lot.
I still remember how it was by the end of Jose. Like all hope was lost, lot of talks we'd be shit forever regardless of who'd be next. Now at least we all agree that a good manager would make us tick again. There's still hope.
I'll always appreciate and thank him for what he's done here. Many bad moments but also lot of good moments the last two and a half years. He's always one of our own.
The way he was universally mocked by all but United fans across the globe might haunt him for a while.
Not really worse than those before him.
There is no such thing as a participation trophy. Also what makes you think that the other managers couldn't care less about the EPL title? The minimum expectations were always top 4
The reality is that Ole won nothing despite spending 415m. That's not denigration but a fact
Were you still hopeful in the past month or so?