Solskjaer's legacy and his future

Solskjaer the manager is one of the weirdest phenomenons in football manager history. Punched WAY above his weight at times, yet at the same time seemed so limited and lacking. A comfortable win seemed like a rareity under him. A lot of wins felt like they were on a knife edge until the final whistle.

He rated Fred and McTominay as a good midfield too… compare that to ETH saying ‘feck that’ with Eriksen and Casemiro being bought within weeks of joining, resulting in us looking like a much more cohesive team, and not a team of talented individuals.

And the less said about him buying and using Maguire and AWB all the time, the better.
 
Love Ole, for all his faults as a manager he gave us great moments at the helm. Had Pep's number and bleeds red.

In hindsight his downfall started when Ronaldo came back, no one ever gives him credit for coming 2nd the season before either.

He's United through and through, one of us, so just let it go and look to the future with ETH.
 
b82REZ said:
It's exactly this. I believe I'm on record in this thread saying the same thing.

The sheer levels of sanctimony around the forums during his tenure were at unbearable levels. Any criticisms were piled in with the extreme views and for a very long period anyone with doubts would be hounded and it killed all reasonable debate.

With the cringey Whoop Whoop threads I'm not surprised there's been a lot of "I told you so" posts.

The new angle seems to be that anyone who comments on his time here is a "hater". I'll never hate Ole, even if he had relegated us. But I'm not so delusional that I can't separate the two entities of Ole and critique his time as player and manager separately.

There was an awful lot supping on copium during his time. The cries we were playing swashbuckling, attacking football always felt disingenuous and the less said about his recruitment and "cultural reboot" the better.

Now we have a manager that has a clear vision and there's obvious green shoots of progression. Something we never truly had, or more accurately, sustainably had, under Ole.

Will always be a legend in my eyes but we don't need to eulogise his managerial stint to elevate him beyond that.
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Now put some of what you said, multiply it by two and we're going into Rangnick territory. The fact that this guy appears to be more revered on here than Solskjaer is a disgrace despite being twice as bad.
 
SolskjaerHasDoneIt said:
Love Ole, for all his faults as a manager he gave us great moments at the helm. Had Pep's number and bleeds red.

In hindsight his downfall started when Ronaldo came back, no one ever gives him credit for coming 2nd the season before either.

He's United through and through, one of us, so just let it go and look to the future with ETH.
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He doesn’t deserve credit for 2nd place because he didn’t win anything. As a United manager, you need to win or your a failure, it’s as simple as that. You were favourites in the Europa league and messed it up and his 2nd placed finish was worse than Jose’s 2nd placed finish and achieved with a measly points total that would have been 4th place in the following season. But for sure, great guy so it’s ok.
 
SirReginald said:
He doesn’t deserve credit for 2nd place because he didn’t win anything. As a United manager, you need to win or your a failure, it’s as simple as that. You were favourites in the Europa league and messed it up and his 2nd placed finish was worse than Jose’s 2nd placed finish and achieved with a measly points total that would have been 4th place in the following season. But for sure, great guy so it’s ok.
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That's like saying half of SAF's prem titles don't count cos we'd have finished miles behind City over the last five or six years:wenger:
 
We mustn't forget the conditions that brought Ole here. It was prior to a time when Mou wanted out and was making it obvious by pretty much shitting on everyone (basically a steroid version of what Ronaldo did) to get himself sacked and pick up his severance pay. Ole did what Ole does best (in fact even Keano love the guy). He raised morale and he rallied the troops. The results of that were quite evident

However he lacked the experience, the know how and quite frankly the character to become a permanent manager at a club like Manchester United. That was evident by the way training was being conducted, the people he hired as his backroom staff, the signings made and the tactics. The club should have chosen a better permanent manager with Ole being offered a board member role similar to what many ex players have or had at other clubs. Instead we stuck to him and the result of that was devastating both for his career and our team.
 
Jippy said:
That's like saying half of SAF's prem titles don't count cos we'd have finished miles behind City over the last five or six years:wenger:
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He did win those while Ole didn't. I don't count Jose's 2nd position finish any higher than anyone else's. But Jose and LVG won trophies. Ole and Moyes didn't.
 
Foxbatt said:
He did win those while Ole didn't. I don't count Jose's 2nd position finish any higher than anyone else's. But Jose and LVG won trophies. Ole and Moyes didn't.
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It's fine to not celebrate a 2nd position, but to try and demean it further through a specious comparison is weird agenda posting.
 
b82REZ said:
It's exactly this. I believe I'm on record in this thread saying the same thing.

The sheer levels of sanctimony around the forums during his tenure were at unbearable levels. Any criticisms were piled in with the extreme views and for a very long period anyone with doubts would be hounded and it killed all reasonable debate.
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Basically, like talking to a Ronaldo fan.
 
Jippy said:
It's fine to not celebrate a 2nd position, but to try and demean it further through a specious comparison is weird agenda posting.
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2nd place was fine. The problem was some people tried to picture it as some sort of progress, when in truth United's football did not progress at all and we benefitted from Liverpool's injury problems.
 
Amir said:
2nd place was fine. The problem was some people tried to picture it as some sort of progress, when in truth United's football did not progress at all and we benefitted from Liverpool's injury problems.
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From memory he admitted that though, but then got slagged off for it.

Anyway, I've no idea why I ventured into this thread, I was just baffled that it's still going strong.
 
RedPed said:
Now put some of what you said, multiply it by two and we're going into Rangnick territory. The fact that this guy appears to be more revered on here than Solskjaer is a disgrace despite being twice as bad.
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I don't think that Rangnick is more revered than Ole around here, but my two cents on the topic.

First, Ralf is considered a somewhat good at tactics (if you ask Klopp or Tuchel that is) while Ole runs on passion-nicknames-nostalgia-in my time we used to something.

And two let's not forget the state of the team when Ralf came and the toxicity that was set in like when Ole came after Mou, with players not wanting to fecking run (Rashford, Martial...), players not performing (Bruno, Lump...) or players choosing which game they'd play(Cavani, Ronaldo). All in all broken squad. Sure Ralf wasn't a good fit, but I think he wasn't a good fit for this particular side, thinking they were better than what they actually were.
 
Karlos PFC said:
I don't think that Rangnick is more revered than Ole around here, but my two cents on the topic.

First, Ralf is considered a somewhat good at tactics (if you ask Klopp or Tuchel that is) while Ole runs on passion-nicknames-nostalgia-in my time we used to something.

And two let's not forget the state of the team when Ralf came and the toxicity that was set in like when Ole came after Mou, with players not wanting to fecking run (Rashford, Martial...), players not performing (Bruno, Lump...) or players choosing which game they'd play(Cavani, Ronaldo). All in all broken squad. Sure Ralf wasn't a good fit, but I think he wasn't a good fit for this particular side, thinking they were better than what they actually were.
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Bruno, Lump (Maguire), Cavani, Ronaldo were Ole signings. 3 of them did well, even if 2 were completely not what we needed at that stage. But I might have misunderstood that part of your post so apologies in advance.

I agree about the issues that RR faced with those players not wanting to put in the work or choosing when they played.

That’s, arguably, been one of the things that ETH has done well to remould the culture. He’s bought in strong characters especially Martinez who are loyal to him but also infectious. This then influences other players to adapt, especially when you add Casemiro a winner, Varane playing like the boss that he is etc like they say the attitude and culture of every dressing is usually always determined by 3-4 players.
 


Was pretty close too. Would have cost us about £40m too. His Arsene Wenger moment!
 
Karlos PFC said:
I don't think that Rangnick is more revered than Ole around here, but my two cents on the topic.

First, Ralf is considered a somewhat good at tactics (if you ask Klopp or Tuchel that is) while Ole runs on passion-nicknames-nostalgia-in my time we used to something.

And two let's not forget the state of the team when Ralf came and the toxicity that was set in like when Ole came after Mou, with players not wanting to fecking run (Rashford, Martial...), players not performing (Bruno, Lump...) or players choosing which game they'd play(Cavani, Ronaldo). All in all broken squad. Sure Ralf wasn't a good fit, but I think he wasn't a good fit for this particular side, thinking they were better than what they actually were.
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To add to this Rangnick isn't revered for his managerial record, there's not much to compare on that front. He's liked for trying to bring some injection of common sense to our management policy. The number of hardheads opposing them at the time made him look even more like nostradamus. That thread isn't quoted enough because the amount of dishonesty around some of those recommendations are appalling. 7-8 signings for example was a meme all summer.
 
I think Ralph Rangnick is the necessary bitter pill just what United need.

He has completely shown that our players are the biggest problem, their attitude, and the culture that is rotten.

ETH has the benefit of the team being exposed, that they have much less leverage media wise, they've been shown to be the problem. At the start of the season not many would object if ETH wants to sell anyone, from Bruno to Rashford to DDG nobody is given any preferential treatment. All of that would not happen without RR
 
Sky1981 said:
I think Ralph Rangnick is the necessary bitter pill just what United need.

He has completely shown that our players are the biggest problem, their attitude, and the culture that is rotten.

ETH has the benefit of the team being exposed, that they have much less leverage media wise, they've been shown to be the problem. At the start of the season not many would object if ETH wants to sell anyone, from Bruno to Rashford to DDG nobody is given any preferential treatment. All of that would not happen without RR
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Just how, exactly?
 
Tbh you guys looked like you were being remade.. then you signed ronaldo.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Remade? We looked a fecking joke.
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You still do. But now again you’re at least working towards something, as I though you were before you regressed when you got ronaldo. I said «being», as in working towards something. Ronaldo was a mistake, which is why EVERY other big Club didnt want to buy him in the summer.
 
Hakara said:
You still do. But now again you’re at least working towards something, as I though you were before you regressed when you got ronaldo. I said «being», as in working towards something. Ronaldo was a mistake, which is why EVERY other big Club didnt want to buy him in the summer.
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We still look shite? Erm nah.
 
Mick1 said:
But we did reach the final of the EL and had something like 77 points.
I'd take it in a heartbeat this season.
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74 points. Also losing an EL final to Villareal in your 3rd season after dropping out of the CL group is not a positive for me.
 
U99ted said:
74 points. Also losing an EL final to Villareal in your 3rd season after dropping out of the CL group is not a positive for me.
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Do you think we can realistically get there this season ? With a better manager and better players?
 
The only United manager post Fergie to get back to back CL football. It clearly wasn’t a shite time.

Tbh some United “fans” are just odd.
 
Sweet Square said:
The only United manager post Fergie to get back to back CL football. It clearly wasn’t a shite time.

Tbh some United “fans” are just odd.
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Is that the standard "fans" should be aspiring for? Being content with top 4? We played largely rudderless football and came unstuck when it mattered. We didn't even make it out of the CL group stages after losing to RB Leipzig. It wasn't working with Ole.
 
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