Everybody knows those were not real 3rd and 2nd places since Liverpool and Chelsea were so shite. Compared to that, our current 5th place is a lot better. Also considered we didn't spend anything this summer.
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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I think I got what you meant by that…!
A legend as a player. Hope he can have a successful managerial career from here, but his time here was ultimately poor. Third and 2nd, but also a champions league group stage elimination, no trophies, joke defending and some hefty defeats. Even if we weren’t ready for a title challenge in 21-22, the top four finishes should’ve established some level of consistency going forward that we could have a “poor” season and get 3rd-4th. Not another Mourinho 18-19 collapse.
He lived his dream, miserable bastard
It's not that crazy to have rewatched the games.
If you're a football manager out of a job and have any kind of work ethic (which a coach at this level should have in abundance) then watching 168 games over a year where he's been out of management is really not a lot. Watching 90 mins of football every couple of days to try and take something from it because you know what you told the team and how you trained.
If you're a football manager out of a job and have any kind of work ethic (which a coach at this level should have in abundance) then watching 168 games over a year where he's been out of management is really not a lot. Watching 90 mins of football every couple of days to try and take something from it because you know what you told the team and how you trained.
If he was interested in developing and learning wouldn't he instead be watching 168 matches of teams coached by someone who knew what they were doing?
We’re 14 Premier League games into a new management spell, and the projection looks likely we’ll eclipse the points total of Ole’s best ever season.
Ole’s PPG in the Prem with United = 1.75
Ole win rate in the Prem with United = 51.37
Despite already facing Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal in his first 14 games…
ETH Prem PPG = 1.85
ETH Prem win rate 57.14
Make of that what you will.
Imo not even close. Moyes by a long shot. He totally destroyed the confidence of a title winning team. Asking the players to show him how to win. Aspiring to be like city after we just won the title. Running rvp into the ground in training. Shocking management.
He didn’t have time to do enough damage, barely bought nor sold a player. Was gone within a season.
Was utterly shite mind but Ole was clearly the biggest waste of time and money since SaF. The other pair failed too, but at least had silverware to show for it.
They will ignore the fact that we were the absolute house built on the sand. Going down in most games, and rescuing it 2nd half.
Aided by there being no fans that season helping us keep the away record going.
Some absolutely horrific losses under him are hard to forget.
Still think Moyes was worse for what he picked up and where he left us though.
In a sick way it's hilarious how when he joined us he was giving it lips about how the squad were "champions".
Then it slowly evolved to how he'd need "5 or 6 players" to win the European cup.
Then it slowly became "i picked up a squad needing a lot of work".
And annoyingly some people genuinely believe Fergie left when he did as he knew the team would instantly disintegrate!
I refuse to believe that any other professional manager could take that squad as low as Moyes did, or worse.
Next we'll have LVG to say he's watched back on all of his United managed matches. Not sure if that's even possible without falling asleep..
Moyes made less of a damage, few months and way less money wasted, no harmful contract extensions (i believe) and his only buy after decent use in some periods managed to sell under Ole, as a sign of return of United way in eyes of United fans, funny shit that in hindsight.
I'm with you on the destructive impact of Moyes. Yes of course he sacked after only seven months but he set in motion the calamities we suffered under his successors. He didn't have to win a trophy to be successful that season, but he did need to set the foundation for the rebuilding of the club and he utterly failed at that. He led us to the panic buy of Fellaini whom we didn't need and somehow became a fixture under Van Gaal and Mourinho, which disgraced the club. And then he ordered the buy of Mata and had no idea how to use him. And I might have my timeline off on this but was it not under Moyes that Rooney leveraged a massive new contract that we should never have agreed to? And was it not under Moyes that our identity was cut to ribbons?
I wasn't a fan of Ole as manager but those calling him a terrible manager, the worst United manager ever and so on need to take a look at those currently managing or have recently managed in the Premier League.
He's definitely better than some of those, mentioning nobody in particular.
He's definitely better than some of those, mentioning nobody in particular.
I think Fellaini gets a bad rap, yes he represents that horrible era well because of his connection to Moyes, but we've had much worse players over the past decade and always felt he left his heart on the field.
Who said he didn't?
Rooney on 300k/week, just when he was entering the twilight zone of his career and Fergie was totally setting things up to sell him to Chelsea.
Wayne Rooney was set to leave. For some reason he gave him a 5 year contract on top dollar.
Marouane Fellaini says hi. I do like Mata. Nice guy with alot of class. However 2 player that are not Manchester United type players. Mata is way to slow. He belongs in a possession type team. And for Fellaini we paid more then what we should of due to waiting for a clause in his contract to expire.
"Moyes was critiqued for his perceived defeatist attitude while at United. He had referred to their rivals Liverpool as the “favourites” ahead of their trip to Old Trafford (Liverpool manager Brendon Rogers responded "I would never say that at Liverpool – even if I was bottom of the league"), and on Man United, the defending champions, Moyes stated their city rivals Manchester City were "at the sort of level we are aspiring to"
That was Moyes in a nutshell.
I like Ole, but there is no legacy. Okay, we finished second and got to a European final, but then simply limped into the next season. Maybe his hands were tied regarding transfers, but he should have built on that pretty decent start.
Another faint-praise acknowledgement is that he was not Moyes, van Gaal or Mourinho.
Future? Probably back at Molde, or replacing Phil Neville when he "leaves by mutual consent."
Another faint-praise acknowledgement is that he was not Moyes, van Gaal or Mourinho.
Future? Probably back at Molde, or replacing Phil Neville when he "leaves by mutual consent."
Ole wasted over 2 years of development time for the players and ETH has to pick up the pieces for players who’re overpaid and stagnant.
In the long term, he did more damage to us than Moyes did.
Even thou forgot about Rooney, still one Rooney extension and one Fellaini cant beat wasted years and money on transfers and contract extensions under Ole, not to mention some other decisions.
At least we had some memorable wins against our rivals with Ole, with Moyes we had nothing but apathy.
I think Ole was more damaging because he saddled us with more expensive garbage that we will take losses on and still need to spend a fortune to replace. Moyes just wasn't good enough to stem the tide or to cover up the team's several shortcomings which were starting to get exposed in Sir Alex's final season and he also suffered the fate of having an incompetent Woodward ruining his first transfer window.
Would you take him as a United manager in the future if he promises not to bring Ronaldo or any other past-it, old United legend anymore?
No.
Moyes was the underdog at Everton against the big clubs and that attitude carried over at Utd. That's why he never won a game away at Everton, against any top club in over 50 games. He could not adapt to the new job.
He is a decent manager for middle table teams though, he sets his teams in a way that makes them difficult to beat.
Hell no
Let's not make Ronaldo the scrape goat for everything. I think Ole's time would have ended sooner or later in the same manner with or without Ronaldo.
He is up there (rather down there) with the very worst
What? No of course not. Ronaldo is not the reason he was shite
Then ETH will probably be terrible as well.
Surely the time he should have watched is when the match is over and he can learn from it and not make the same mistake in the next match?
Not 3 years down the line.
Thanks for the memories.
He's obviously wanting a return to the dugout and his opportunities are probably pretty slim, he really didn't fare well at the end here. Saying that, it is all media guff so who knows?
He didn't fare well even at Cardiff. So he should look at a different league to get back. Not the EPL.
I don;t think a different league would make any difference to his shortcomings. I just don't think he's cut out to be a successful manager at any club. He could be a good pundit.
Eddie Howe became a pundit and I thought he was good and eventually got a good gig with Newcastle.
Even then I thought he was a much better coach than Ole.
Fecking hell mate, Eddie Howe is levels above Ole in terms of managing / coaching / tactics.