So? Does that make him the laughing stock and the figure of ridicule that he seems to be amongst so many? I can almost guarantee that if Ten Hag manages to finish 3rd and 2nd he will be hailed as a brilliant manager by many of our fans. He didn’t challenge City because they won every fecking game for a year pretty much. But he managed to get his side to thoroughly outclass them on their own patch on more than one occasion.
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So? Does that make him the laughing stock and the figure of ridicule that he seems to be amongst so many? I can almost guarantee that if Ten Hag manages to finish 3rd and 2nd he will be hailed as a brilliant manager by many of our fans. He didn’t challenge City because they won every fecking game for a year pretty much. But he managed to get his side to thoroughly outclass them on their own patch on more than one occasion.
If Ten Hag finishes on 66 points, and 74 points, not only will he not make 2nd, he looks likely to end up missing out on top 4 altogether*
It’d be a quite frankly horrendously underwhelming 2.5 years in the job if a 66 point season is followed by a 74 season and no trophies, all the while looking by xG and other stats that we’re riding our luck and will soon drop off a cliff, after spending 300m is all we end up with from ETH.
Then it’s obviously not the scenario I proposed then.
Aye, sometimes you get lucky, sometimes teams underperform and a team can post the lowest 2nd place points tally since that Leicester season, the lowest along with that Leicester season by some distance in the last decade and pretend it’s some great achievement.
But if that’s all you’ve got after 2.5 years, it’s gonna be crystal clear you’re going fecking nowhere and it’d be a terrible start for ETH.
Mourinho got second with over 80 points and wasn’t lauded by fans, in fans, a huge portion still thought he was shite.
What will convince fans it’s the performances on the pitch and if it appears like we’re building towards something and improving in our play. Not a finishing position.
Ole's legacy as United manager is in ruins, but there's really no need to pile dung on the man. He was clearly a yes man to the suits upstairs and had to accept what he was given and accept what he was denied. Still, there's no question that he was not up to the job that was expected of him by the fans or club management.
Why do we need 100 pages+?
The fact that no premiere league club wants him is pretty telling. Premier League runner up is something right? Apprently not.
His signings were also awful. If he got the ball to say no to Ronaldo, he might've survived for another season or two. Maybe this is for the greater good?
The fact that no premiere league club wants him is pretty telling. Premier League runner up is something right? Apprently not.
His signings were also awful. If he got the ball to say no to Ronaldo, he might've survived for another season or two. Maybe this is for the greater good?
It doesn't justify ridicule, but it puts his tenure in context. It wasn't terrible, but we were supposed to be building up towards a title challenge and we weren't doing that. His football and thinking just weren't on the level required. So overall, it was time and money wasted.
I don't believe the 2 cup finals one is accurate, we were in the EL final in 2021 what else?
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This has to be the lowest high points I've ever seen. Really said "Played 2 cup finals" knowing very well that he lost both.
Do you know what the scores were in those finals?
Go on. Explain in full.
It isn't.
We had 3 semi finals (FA/EFL/Europa) in 2019/20 which Ole lost famously or so I thought, was a meme at the time then in 20/21 another semi final in EFL and at last a final which he lost to Villarreal. His half season taking after Mourinho ended with a QF loss to Barca limp 4-0 on agg, a QF loss to Wolves (Herrera had a shocking comeback game I think).
We were in the top 3 for two years. We didn’t get lucky. We were better than the vast majority of teams in the PL, for a long period, while all the while being told that the teams that were behind us were better than us.
Mourinho wasn’t given any respect because football is a stupid WWE game and Mourinho has been cast as a ‘baddie’. His season was obviously also a good season.
Well we couldn't have lost both cup finals when we only played in one.
Funny the inacceracies in here since yesterday alone: "Only manager post-Fergie to get us CL 2 years on the bounce" and "got us to two cup finals". The mental gymnastics to paint his tenure in a positive light is one thing, but the blatant lies are fecking hilarious 
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Guys, it's all very simple!
Mourinho? The most successful.
Solskjær? The most entertaining.
Van Gaal? The best press conferences.
Moyes? The most Scottish.
Hotel? Trivago.
Now go on with your lives! Need I remind you that we have Ten Hag, Varane, Martinez, Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno?
Mourinho? The most successful.
Solskjær? The most entertaining.
Van Gaal? The best press conferences.
Moyes? The most Scottish.
Hotel? Trivago.
Now go on with your lives! Need I remind you that we have Ten Hag, Varane, Martinez, Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno?
So the truth is even worse.
Indeed.
Funny the inacceracies in here since yesterday alone: "Only manager post-Fergie to get us CL 2 years on the bounce" and "got us to two cup finals". The mental gymnastics to paint his tenure in a positive light is one thing, but the blatant lies are fecking hilarious
Didn't Moyes win The Charity Shield? I don't classify it as a trophy though Jose does.
The best post!Guys, it's all very simple!
Mourinho? The most successful.
Solskjær? The most entertaining.
Van Gaal? The best press conferences.
Moyes? The most Scottish.
Hotel? Trivago.
Now go on with your lives! Need I remind you that we have Ten Hag, Varane, Martinez, Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno?
So excellent at making adjustments that we had threads predicting when he’ll finally make a fecking sub.
And it doesn’t take a genius to play as negative as possible and pray for a lucky counter. Our football under Ole was as negative as it gets whenever we get pressed.
People are terrible at the eye test. Over Solskjaer's last 50 games in the PL his average first sub time was the earliest in the Premier League by like 40 seconds. People only watch Man Utd, we weren't doing well towards the end so we ended up with arbitrary, nonsense complaints that even briefly watching other teams would highly how terrible they are.
Just like the away record, if it was that easy more teams would have done it. It isn't.
Ole fan boys make up shit to make him look better. What a shocker
Has anyone suggested a monument in his honour outside OT yet?
To honor his purchase of the unholy trinity: Maguire, AWB, VdB. Erect his statue asap !!!
They love pulling out the 2nd placed trophy a lot. Ignoring the fact that it was the worst second placed finish in the league for some time and that 2nd place is also.. not an achievement.Ole fan boys make up shit to make him look better. What a shocker
Yeah, most years the point total we got for second would barely make top 4, but you’ve them making it out to be a massive achievement for playing against injury hit teams while we were relatively healthy.
That's one way to look and the other is we literally stopped focusing on league games and were playing europa semis and finals. Played Liverpool and Leicester at home within 48 hourz, played a full makeshift side against Leicester. Were playing in half asleep mode against Fulham at home and Leeds away.
Yes the 2nd is nothing to celebrate but truth is looking at 74 points doesn't give context as we could have easily gotten close to 80 points if we had no europa. So europa final and 2nd place in a nutshell is not a bad season at all. Anything to celebrate, ofcourse not.
The real context you need is that Liverpool and Chelsea were so bad that our real competition for most of the time was a Leicester side which had a smaller squad and they still kept it close till the last few games. We rested players not because we had to prioritise Europa, we rested players because top 4 was already achieved and winning Europa was the only way it could salvage a season where we did feck all in domestic cups and we were not in the title race at all.
It’s no real surprise that we found ourselves out of the top 4 when they recovered from having historically shit years for the past decade while we found ourselves going backwards under Ole with players getting progressively complacent with no improvements under him.
They have.
Do you see a single cupset there though? There is nothing more embarassing than losing to a lower league team and Ole knows this and respects the fans by making it to the latter stages. People are just finding things to criticise him for now.
Guys, it's all very simple!
Mourinho? The most successful.
Solskjær? The most entertaining.
Van Gaal? The best press conferences.
Moyes? The most Scottish.
Hotel? Trivago.
Now go on with your lives! Need I remind you that we have Ten Hag, Varane, Martinez, Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno?
Great post mate.
Pretty much this, though I have to admit that personally I enjoyed more the highs of Van Gaal (meaning a couple of months from each season. Like in his first year in April I think we played Liverpool, City, Spurs and another i cant recall and we battered them) football-wise than the highs of Ole
Each to their own. Personally I was asleep during most of Van Gaal's time here, but I remember the Liverpool games fondly!
One thing I'll give Van Gaal is that we hardly ever got humiliated. Although I guess that comes with the overly careful territory.
Is this correct? I seem to remember them saying he had bad luck in cup draws but I didn't know they were calling the likes of Wolves and Sevilla bad luck. Did they expect KO cup games against non-league sides?
*face-palm* draws in earlier rounds when there are a load of dosh ...... at semifinal stage draws rarely even matter. And for Europa cup draws don't happen for semifinals and finals ....
If you don't know how reported speech works there are plenty learning resources on the internet. Ole's excusers blamed his cup losses on unlucky draws. This is clearly not talking about earlier rounds so nice try lying about statements we all clearly remember being said. Why would the topic of bad luck even come up if discussing wins from earlier rounds? One wouldn't need to come up with mitigating reasons for those. The excuses were always clearly referring to his late round losses.
These Ole twats are still just as condescending while displaying thickness.
So in your memory the "bad luck" excuse was referring to earlier round games he won rather than the games where, you know, he actually lost and the opponents were tougher? If you even sat down to think about it for a second you would have quickly realised that conversation would have made no sense. I'm for sure talking to someone with zero deductive reasoning. Move along.
Just because it makes sense in your head doesn't mean it actually makes sense.
"bad luck" in those games lost has all been about the game themselves, mostly about how we couldn't take our chances, not about we were "drawn" to play them at those stages.
"bad luck" about draws in earlier rounds were talked about cause out of all the lower league teams we always seem to get ones from the higher/PL teams thus us being unable to rest players in those rounds and play youngsters.
You're just connecting two different scenarios, and creating a non-sensical "ole supporters made excuses about the bad luck draws when losing finals and semifinals" argument in your head. Sure, it sounded like a great gotcha in your head, but its just thick.