I said that Ole is not good enough elite coach but the players stabbed him in the back too. This bunch of players can play much better than they played in the last few games under him. There was a lack of effort and the lack of pride and fight. You put them 11 players and even without a coach they should have been able to beat some of the teams that beat us.
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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Think that Ole was too weak to deal with the shit show that has gone on behind the scenes. All this didn't happen in one day. He didn't have the guts to challenge the players and lay down the law. He also never questioned the board. That's probably why he got the sack. The players stopped listening to him - the same players who are now turning out to be the problem.
I think he was afraid of losing his job and wanted to play it safe. The only person that comes to mind is Greenwood when he dropped him for a length of time. He was just too 'nice". He was just happy to be manager of United.
I think he was afraid of losing his job and wanted to play it safe. The only person that comes to mind is Greenwood when he dropped him for a length of time. He was just too 'nice". He was just happy to be manager of United.
We'd have more points if he'd stayed. But we also probably would have never taken the knife to this squad, which we desperately need.
Why should we? We were in free fall when he got sacked. We still would have lost Martial, DVB and Greenwood and Cavani. Rashford was still sulking when Ole was sacked.
Would we? We've won 33 points in 20 games with Rangnick. We won 21 points in 14 games with Ole. We have actually got more points per game with Rangnick than with Ole this season.
As much as I liked Ole as a player and in interviews he made a dreadful manager.
Despite signing Sancho, Fernandes & Varane, there were as many disappointing signings in Telles,AWB and Ighalo (remember him?)
But his legacy will always be that he bought Maguire for £80m, then awarded him the captaincy, that was an unforgivable error of judgment.
Despite signing Sancho, Fernandes & Varane, there were as many disappointing signings in Telles,AWB and Ighalo (remember him?)
But his legacy will always be that he bought Maguire for £80m, then awarded him the captaincy, that was an unforgivable error of judgment.
Sorry I don't agree, he bought United to a decent position
Ole let down by the board, but he really do everything he can
3rd + 3 semi
2nd + Europa League 2nd + Semi
The only wrong-doing is that he didn't make a sub in Europa League final.
Signing Ronaldo is not wrong, as we are not going to sign anyone anyway.
Remember we even sign Ighalo? That show something wrong with us, we focus on romance, the story... more than building a team
Everything is pointing to the board, I guess...
Ole let down by the board, but he really do everything he can
3rd + 3 semi
2nd + Europa League 2nd + Semi
The only wrong-doing is that he didn't make a sub in Europa League final.
Signing Ronaldo is not wrong, as we are not going to sign anyone anyway.
Remember we even sign Ighalo? That show something wrong with us, we focus on romance, the story... more than building a team
Everything is pointing to the board, I guess...
The reason why he was kept for so long was because he was always mister "nice guy". Maybe that's his character or maybe he knew he will never get a job like that if he fails. After all that was his dream job, he loved Utd and still does, he is a true Utd fan and would have done anything to succeed here. The reality is that he was never good enough to be a successful manager.
Eventually someone is going to write a book and we will know what happened.
His signings have all been abyssmal apart from Bruno and Ronaldo but many even argue these 2 were bad too. The worst part for me is the £130m on Maguire and AWB. They are both 2 incredibly limited players. Telles for me is also an outright flop. I cannot believe he was here for so long and ignored the midfield but that was probably for the better because he'd sign trash there as well.
Let down by the board you say. He was the most backed manager in the transfer market post SAF.
Yes. So should anyone who claims to be a Manchester United fan.
I've pretty much realised that thinking of Solskjaer's "legacy" as manager brings me back to this scene.
I wonder where Xavi's legacy may be after his managerial stint 
This.
Yeah it's funny how not a single person suggested he had been let down by the board after we'd signed Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo
Mourinho actually spent more money, both in total and net spend, according to the numbers on Transfermarkt. But neither of them had any excuses.
The players liked him because he was a pushover, the players were playing for him, but they became more and more physically unfit and tactically underprepared the longer Ole remained in-charge. If he had stayed longer the results would’ve only gotten worse.
They liked him but did not respect him or fear him, there were no consequences for poor fitness or bad form. Maybe his style of management is different, he expected the players to take individual responsibility, train hard, spend time on fitness, but the players turned out to be absolute snakes who were happy to take the weekly paycheck and couldn’t be arsed to turn up for games, mentally or physically. The number of games our opponents have looked sharper faster and stronger than us, has been embarrassing, this is on the players as much as it is on the manager. Everytime we’ve been tactically outplayed has to be on Ole alone.
They liked him but did not respect him or fear him, there were no consequences for poor fitness or bad form. Maybe his style of management is different, he expected the players to take individual responsibility, train hard, spend time on fitness, but the players turned out to be absolute snakes who were happy to take the weekly paycheck and couldn’t be arsed to turn up for games, mentally or physically. The number of games our opponents have looked sharper faster and stronger than us, has been embarrassing, this is on the players as much as it is on the manager. Everytime we’ve been tactically outplayed has to be on Ole alone.
I’m not sure. There was a full fall off the cliff face in form which stopped when Carrick came in, that for me proves he’d lost the players completely given nothing was different bar Ole had left.
Now is different, Ragnick has lost most players who want out (which is about 10 supposedly) but isn’t letting them get away with it. Same issue, same crap form but at least some accountability.
It's nice to find people who understand what they are watching buried amongst all the crap every now and again.
I 100% agree with your analysis. In my opinion, the lack of aggression and defensive capabilities demonstrated by the forwards is the biggest reason for our struggles this season.
The defence and CMs have done their part by playing higher and more aggressively yet they are let down time and time again by their colleagues in the attacking positions who leave them exposed - then guess who gets all the blame after the games...
Likewise, De Gea is 'cheating' his teammates in my opinion, playing a game which suits his style to the detriment of the others. At least Henderson tries to help his back four. DDG seems only concerned with what's best for him.
Again, guess who then gets praised after games and labelled as having a "great season".
It wasn't such a big issue last season because we weren't quite so high and quite so aggressive, particularly in away games or games against the top six.
Of course, you can debate how good some of our players are, personally I wouldn't claim McTominay, Fred and AWB, for example, are "elite"...but they are certainly 'good enough' to finish top four when playing in a cohesive team with a defined structure.
I’m just surprised, given (according to the Ole Preservation Society) how amazingly well he did, that his name isn’t being thrown out to replace Poch at PSG, or Ancelotti at Real.
Boggles the mind how they could ignore such a talent.
Boggles the mind how they could ignore such a talent.
There is no inconsistency between Ole doing a decent job at United (results-wise) and him not being a particularly good manager. Managers' ability to perform at clubs can be highly situational. If it weren't, people here would be dying to hire Zinedine Zidane.
Clearly, he doesn't have full control of transfer. One VDB say it all...
And he just didn't voice it out in front of camera like Jose and Ralf
Many on here were begging for us to hire Zidane!
Agree, but I also think stabbing the squad with the knife is more a interim manager’s privilege compared with the permanent manager. The permanent manager has to balance much more in order to get results the next day and keep his job.
I got to admit I have been writing "crap" sometimes but there is need to discuss on the same level as others once or twice.
As you said, we don't need to be max. elite level to have good season and top four. Talent is there somewhere. Maybe. But effort is not. I've been talking a lot about pride, desire, passion, willingness to stick head in where people don't put foot in. To have honour in there job. To work for eachother. That is something we miss. People can have go at Solskjaer and Rangnick and Mourinho or whoever but if players don't care about working hard, it is impossible to do anything inclusive to show talent. If it is there.
Team is like a chain. It has to work as whole. If one part is broken it doesn't work. If you have like us multiple parts that are broken it will never work. Simple.
It was only a matter of time, before Ole had us playing like Klopp
Have the media reported any interest in Ole's services from lower league clubs?
Many here wanted Zidane last year and also when Mourinho was about to be sacked in 2018.
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If he didn’t know how to use VDB it doesn’t mean he didn’t initially want him. VDB was second choice after Grealish who was too expensive. He initially wanted him as a back-up for Bruno.
He had no idea how to use Sancho either, doesn’t mean he didn’t want him.
50 young RB and nobody even wants him on loan.
Well done OLE
Well done OLE
He and Woodward led us to this mess we are in. His managerial fanbase should ask themselves why no club has employed him since.
I think a better course of events would have been: No Ronaldo return. Ole stays until summer 22. No Ralf. EtH takes over. Might have swung a 4th place finish that way.
More likely we’d scrape top 10. Our form under him last season was woeful.
Probably more entertaining to watch Peppa Pig from start to finish.
I love Ole though, his managerial stint shouldn't effect his status here.
A better course of events would've been Ole stepping down after the EL final loss. Yes he would be going out on a low in losing a final but looking at the two seasons he was in charge for we would've had two top 4 finishes including a 2nd place finish. He would've left things in a much better place than he did later that year when everything fell apart.
Yup. Love the guy, terrible manager for me but his love for the club and status is unaffected.
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Peppa Pig is actually entertaining though. Plus it is loveable and kind of fun but not what you’d call sophisticated. Might win the odd low-key award but no Oscars.