Thing is; hiring Ole as interim was right at the time, and brought about a-bit of nostalgic fun. But at the time, most fans were crying out for a modern, progressive manager to take the reigns after Ole's interim period. There was all this exciting talk of huge structural changes and a new manager to follow. Typically, we took the lazy route and hired Ole, and were served with another 3-years of outdated, non-exciting football.
Ralf Rangnick recommended Denis Zakaria to the scouts, who the board just fired and he was not brought in during the Jan window.
Juventus bought him for just 6 million.
I suppose Juventus know feck all about players.
But yeah. Lets blame Ralf.
As an interim, 100% success, despite the fact the momentum from his appointment/Jose's sacking did eventually slow and we ended that season horrifically.
Never should have been given anything more than that season though. Emotion got the best of the club and supporters after Paris, and I hope the board have learnt from that, at least.
but we let him down in the market last summer in pursuit of vanity and money-making.
Ralph wasnt brought in to buy player.
He just helped took over a nothing season and get assessment first hand.
Let's not blame him for the malady. The player gave up on him and he's done a marvelous job showing the fans the real problem ie the player.
Buying in jan window is like bandaid on a tumor. Waste of money and resources. Let ETH build his team.
Perhaps. And even if it is not the case, he's still a player who could have served very well under Erik ten Hag.That bandaid of only 6 million would have been the difference of qualifying for the CL and where we are now.
Ole did a reasonable job for a good period of time. It all came crashing down, and he had to go in the end, but we let him down in the market last summer in pursuit of vanity and money-making.
He was also working miracles from a player management point of view. I never bought into the downing tools narratives in the past. I honestly thought the players put in the graft in spite of the managers we had. But this lot… pathetic and spineless and now have nowhere to hide.
The players must have fecking loved Ole. Whipping boy.
Let him down? HOW? We spent £140m in the summer. Signing a goalscoring CF, one of the best CB in the world and one of the best young talent in the world! Some of you live in your own bubble. Ole spent £400m+ during his tenure here, if he didn't sign a midfielder or 2 over 7 transfer windows then it's on him. Not the club!
Amount of excuses made for Ole on this forum is laughable.
That is true, but Ole should have kicked them up the ass and if that sidnt work get shut of the troublemakers. He kept Lingard when he could have sold him to WHU. By coddling them and renewing some contracts he gave them carte blanche to do as they please. Thats why it all gradually come unstuck.It was lazy before Solskjaer came. He did make them play better for 2 years before they went back to how they were before him. Why do you think players stopped playing for Mourinho? Because he started to call them out. It is on players. Not managers.
Let him down? HOW? We spent £140m in the summer. Signing a goalscoring CF, one of the best CB in the world and one of the best young talent in the world! Some of you live in your own bubble. Ole spent £400m+ during his tenure here, if he didn't sign a midfielder or 2 over 7 transfer windows then it's on him. Not the club!
Amount of excuses made for Ole on this forum is laughable.
This is rewriting history.
He himself rejected advice from his own coaching staff to not sign Ronaldo.
If you call us Ole inner, who base our opinion on facts rather then feelings, then you should call yourself Ole haters.
We came second because we were better then Liverpool last year in Premier League. Not hard to understand.
Ole actually said that after the arrival of Sancho and Varane that he had strengthened the parts of his squad that he wanted to and anything else was a bonus. I don't think he would have said that if he wanted a DM in that window and I reckon he was hoping his existing midfield would come good but they are simply not up to it.Ronaldo was a club signing made by the suits. A self-congratulatory dick measuring contest in which we could wheel out Ferguson and wallow in our pre-determined greatness.
Ole will have been happy with the signing, I’m sure, but I’m willing to bet he’d have wanted a defensive midfielder or two a whole lot more.
Ronaldo was a club signing made by the suits. A self-congratulatory dick measuring contest in which we could wheel out Ferguson and wallow in our pre-determined greatness.
Ole will have been happy with the signing, I’m sure, but I’m willing to bet he’d have wanted a defensive midfielder or two a whole lot more.
Ole did a reasonable job for a good period of time. It all came crashing down, and he had to go in the end, but we let him down in the market last summer in pursuit of vanity and money-making.
He was also working miracles from a player management point of view. I never bought into the downing tools narratives in the past. I honestly thought the players put in the graft in spite of the managers we had. But this lot… pathetic and spineless and now have nowhere to hide.
The players must have fecking loved Ole. Whipping boy.
Ole wanted the signing too.
To say otherwise reeks of delusion.
These are just more excuses to absolve him.
No manager here was let down by players. It's unreal how some of you choose to absolve the manager of anything like they're a deity.
They all failed.
Moyes failed.
Van Gaal failed.
Jose failed.
Ole failed.
I agree that he should have kicked out couple of players.That is true, but Ole should have kicked them up the ass and if that sidnt work get shut of the troublemakers. He kept Lingard when he could have sold him to WHU. By coddling them and renewing some contracts he gave them carte blanche to do as they please. Thats why it all gradually come unstuck.
I was excited for this season because of the progress we made previous sessions. This season it all fell apart. We should not be ashamed for coming 2nd last season. We deserved that.You must have been so excited to hang up that “we finished ahead of Liverpool 2020/21” plaque last season. Gutted it didn’t work out this season though when they had their strongest players back from injuries.
Not mutually exclusive though. Considering the quotes from McTominay and Lindgard it's clear we have massive issues at the club besides the managers
The fabled rebuild never gets completed because the squad is irrelevant if the culture stinks
That’s such a lazy question, reminiscent of Priti Patel asking if others have better options and, like the other user said, especially difficult to remember who was available at the time.
I do seem to remember Nagelsmann and Rose were available at the time. But frankly you could have thrown a dart at a board with pictures of available managers and landed on a better option.
Nagelsmann was 31 years old and in his first managing job at Hoffenheim at that point, I don't think you wanted him that badly at the time. Rose also pretty much had his first managing job.Again, I have no idea who was available at the time or what they were doing. The type of manager I would have liked would have been in the progressive, modern manager mould. So someone of ETH's ilk. Maybe someome like Marco Rose or Nagelsmann, though I'm not sure what they were doing at the time.
It's been sickening watching the likes of Liverpool and City play really progressive brands of successful football, while we have gone for managers with no real style whatsoever. LvG was the closest we got to a manager who had a clear tactical identity, but that didn't work out. Funnily enough, he allegedly wanted Mane and VVD while both were at Southampton, so interesting had he gotten both.
The managers played their part in ensuring the culture stinks.
The players can be blamed, but the manager is more to blame for a poor culture.
Especially ones that were given more time/money to shape the squad.
Ole wanted the signing too.
To say otherwise reeks of delusion.
So Ole made no mistakes. He never gave the bench players any chances and kept picking players who were playing rubbish. Also made Harry Maguire captain. Those decisions turned out well didn't they. What a fecking stupid opinion. Ole is not fully to blame but is culpable.It was lazy before Solskjaer came. He did make them play better for 2 years before they went back to how they were before him. Why do you think players stopped playing for Mourinho? Because he started to call them out. It is on players. Not managers.
What progress? The football was getting worse, we started scoring lesser and conceded more goals the longer Ole's reign went on. No matter how people spin it, that's not progress.I agree that he should have kicked out couple of players.
I was excited for this season because of the progress we made previous sessions. This season it all fell apart. We should not be ashamed for coming 2nd last season. We deserved that.
Now show me where I have said that Solskjaer never did anything wrong?So Ole made no mistakes. He never gave the bench players any chances and kept picking players who were playing rubbish. Also made Harry Maguire captain. Those decisions turned out well didn't they. What a fecking stupid opinion. Ole is not fully to blame but is culpable.
You said it is on the players. Not the manager. That's pretty much absolving Ole from any blame.Now show me where I have said that Solskjaer never did anything wrong?
One thing he doesn't get criticised for is his love of old players:
Varane - 28
Ighalo - 30
Cavani - 33
Ronaldo - 36
Heaton - 35
Telles - 28
Maguire - 28
Grant - 36
That is 8/14 signings of age 28 and over.
2 of those signings were nothing but youth players (Pellistri and Amad), meaning he only brought 4 players in that were meant to be integrated into the first team and also serve as long term. Those being Wan Bissaka, Sancho, De Beek, and Fernandes.
Average age of striker signings was 33
Of course the mess is on players. For every day it goes it shows. That doesn’t mean Solskjaer did everything right or how I should have done.You said it is on the players. Not the manager. That's pretty much absolving Ole from any blame.
Signing Ronaldo wasn’t part of the plan, was it?
I don’t mind him being back here either.
Ole had a hand in recruitment, but the whole structure was (and probably still is) set up to fail. That’s clear now.
Then how is Ole not partly to blame when he did things wrong. The players are self entitled twats and deserve alot of the blame. Your argument is not making sense. Your are essentially absolving Ole from blame.Of course the mess is on players. For every day it goes it shows. That doesn’t mean Solskjaer did everything right or how I should have done.
A football club is a huge organization and while managers matter a lot he's just one man. We've turned into a poison chalice
Unless we get rid of all the bad apples we won't go anywhere and will continue to burn through managers until no one wants to touch us
Nagelsmann was 31 years old and in his first managing job at Hoffenheim at that point, I don't think you wanted him that badly at the time. Rose also pretty much had his first managing job.
My point is that it's very easy to look back and criticize decision made in the past, and I don't really like people who criticize and don't offer any options or opinions themselves other than the criticism.
The dressing room was extremely toxic and Ole as interim manager was what the club needed at the time. It is also understandable that he was given a full time contract based on the massive interim success and amazing atmosphere when the decision was made.
Some quotes from Wikipedia:
"Solskjær's first match was against his former club, Cardiff City, on 22 December 2018, with United finishing as 5–1 winners. This was the first time United had scored five or more goals in a Premier League game since a 5–5 draw with West Bromwich Albion in Ferguson's final game in charge before his retirement in May 2013. Victories in his next four league games made Solskjær the first Manchester United manager to win his first five league games in charge since Sir Matt Busby in 1946."
"Solskjær's successful first full month as Manchester United manager resulted in him being named as the Premier League Manager of the Month for January 2019, during which time his team earned 10 points from a possible 12 in the league, making him the first Manchester United manager to win the award since Ferguson in October 2012."
"Two consecutive away wins in the league against Leicester City and Fulham gave United six consecutive away victories in all competitions for the first time since May 2009, and sent them into the top four of the league table."
"Having picked up 25 points since taking over, Solskjær earned more points than any other manager has managed in his first nine games in charge of a single club in the Premier League."
"A 3–1 win at Crystal Palace on 28 February 2019 set a club record of eight consecutive away victories in all competitions."
It's time to look forward. As we all know, there are a lot of rotten apples in the squad. We have now signed an interesting up and coming manager and the summer transfer window will be extremely important.
Nagelsmann was 31 years old and in his first managing job at Hoffenheim at that point, I don't think you wanted him that badly at the time. Rose also pretty much had his first managing job.
My point is that it's very easy to look back and criticize decision made in the past, and I don't really like people who criticize and don't offer any options or opinions themselves other than the criticism.
The dressing room was extremely toxic and Ole as interim manager was what the club needed at the time. It is also understandable that he was given a full time contract based on the massive interim success and amazing atmosphere when the decision was made.
Some quotes from Wikipedia:
"Solskjær's first match was against his former club, Cardiff City, on 22 December 2018, with United finishing as 5–1 winners. This was the first time United had scored five or more goals in a Premier League game since a 5–5 draw with West Bromwich Albion in Ferguson's final game in charge before his retirement in May 2013. Victories in his next four league games made Solskjær the first Manchester United manager to win his first five league games in charge since Sir Matt Busby in 1946."
"Solskjær's successful first full month as Manchester United manager resulted in him being named as the Premier League Manager of the Month for January 2019, during which time his team earned 10 points from a possible 12 in the league, making him the first Manchester United manager to win the award since Ferguson in October 2012."
"Two consecutive away wins in the league against Leicester City and Fulham gave United six consecutive away victories in all competitions for the first time since May 2009, and sent them into the top four of the league table."
"Having picked up 25 points since taking over, Solskjær earned more points than any other manager has managed in his first nine games in charge of a single club in the Premier League."
"A 3–1 win at Crystal Palace on 28 February 2019 set a club record of eight consecutive away victories in all competitions."
It's time to look forward. As we all know, there are a lot of rotten apples in the squad. We have now signed an interesting up and coming manager and the summer transfer window will be extremely important.
Not one of those players was needed as much as we needed a central midfield. Dreadful recruitment and now we need about seven players.
Recruitment is more than the manager alone. It’s structural failure (and yes, Ole is partly culpable for that).
He got sacked. Get over it.
Ronaldo was a club signing made by the suits. A self-congratulatory dick measuring contest in which we could wheel out Ferguson and wallow in our pre-determined greatness.
Ole will have been happy with the signing, I’m sure, but I’m willing to bet he’d have wanted a defensive midfielder or two a whole lot more.
